Kiss vs. Insane Clown Posse

I hate KISS

voting KISS

Music - Kiss (though 90% of catalogue is bad)
People - ICP
Fans - I'm not sure if either fanbase has an organised group of fans that has a specific name, not sure if anyone here has heard otherwise but it seems unlikely.

you’ve not heard of the Juggularmy?

shit I shoulda said Beyhive

Never heard ICP but then have barely heard Kiss either.

I don't believe ICP invented glam metal, hard rock-disco crossover, epic power metal or band-branded pinball machines. So KISS it is.

All ICP voters have to admit one or more of these things to justify their votes:

1) ICP fans are mostly, surprisingly righteous kids.
2) Ironically Down with the Clown.
3) Really, really, REALLY hate Kiss.

(#3 could be hatred of anything: their music, their legacy, jocks who liked them beat you up in the '70s, Gene is a terrible person, playing for Trump is unforgivable, crass commercialism is the opposite of punk rock, or any combination of those things. Let the hate flow through you!)

And all of that is fine, even if I might disagree with some of it.

I cannot entertain any ICP vote on this forum that is based on musical output exclusively.

Poll was supposed to be about each band all-encompassing - music, personalities, fantasies, etc.

This all stemmed from a thought I had a few days ago - which of these trash bands will be better remembered 20-30 years down the road? One seems to be doing everything to tank it and the other has for quite some time doing the Grateful Dead route.

I'm going to vote for Kiss. The Insane Clown Posse disappointed me. I'd heard about them - a raucous, moronic, vulgar pop-rap band with obnoxious fans who may or may not be secretly nice. Which doesn't sound too bad!

But when I checked out their music it was just weak. It wasn't as rude as I was expecting. Or as stupid. Even the "band shows unexpected depth" songs (e.g. "Miracles", "Ain't No Time") weren't particularly good.

Whereas Kiss was an unabashed money-making machine that released a clutch of genuinely good songs at a rate of admittedly two good songs per decade, but that's, like, eight good songs. I can see why people might be drawn to the Insane Clown Posse - everybody hates them - whereas it's been a long time since the mainstream media was worried that Kiss were going to breed a new race of satanists.

Also I have the impression that both Gene Simmons and Shaggy 2 Dope would have made an articulate defence of rock music if they had been called to testify before the PMRC hearings, and they would probably both have pointed out that the mainstream media is more likely to breed a race of satanists than Kiss or the Insane Clown Posse. Did Kiss testify at the PMRC hearings? No, although they were around at the time. Surprisingly they weren't on the "filthy fifteen". But Cyndi Lauper was. Truly the United States was an unusual place in the 1980s.