are The Necks dad-jazz?

I guess I would need an example of non-dad-jazz

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Fair point

My dad loved them, so a little?

I'm a dad and I love them too but it's not like my kids are listening to the hottest Gen Alpha jazz while I sadly shake my head, not getting it.

I'm a dad and my kid was born to The Necks and for whatever reason I feel ashamed

I liked the Necks in my 20s and I like the Necks in my 50s, before and after being a dad, no correlation that I can tell.

relatin' dads to jazz

living in sydney i have had many opportunities to see the necks over the years and they have provided me with some of my most sublime live listening experiences

i went to see them earlier this year after a few years off and they were good but i also felt for the first time that i had reached a limit, that i was over-familiar with the range of choices they were likely to make?

talking about it with a few different friends afterwards it felt like i was saying something a bit heretical, that people’s love for the idea of the band - and their reputation? - was an article of faith rather than active critical engagement. which in turn reminded me of how people will wax lyrical about the beloved pop music of their teens and 20s.

so i would say middle-aged jazz? but gender neutral

The phrase dad-jazz is more worthy of scrutiny in this regard than the music of The Necks.

Who else plays dad-jazz if The Necks qualify? Are Supersilent dad-jazz?

The phrase dad-jazz is more worthy of scrutiny in this regard than the music of The Necks.

Agreed. I think of "dad-jazz" as, like, Herbie Hancock, or the kind of acts that when they show up in between the neo-soul, hip-hop and singer-songwritery rock acts at a jazz festival, someone in the audience says, "At last, the real stuff."

I think of like Joe Sample or Flim and the BBs

but dads are getting older all the time

Dads are getting younger all the time. The other day I was in traffic behind a woman I thought was driving too slow, and I thought, Come on, grandma, find the gas pedal, only to remember that I am 54 years old so a woman in her seventies is not my grandmother's age, she's my mother's age. Now I think, Come on, ma, find the gas pedal.

For whatever reason, "dad-jazz" brings to mind men I have known who only began to cultivate a taste for jazz in middle age, in the same way somebody might cultivate a taste for expensive stereo equipment or premium whisky. There seems to be some kind of impulse in these men to settle into a respectable station in life and finally start appreciating the finer things that they had previously disregarded or scoffed at. Jazz is great for this, since as a cultural relic it emanates taste and sophistication. Still, it can be a hard music to wrap your head around, and additionally has the danger of making you appear like an "old fogy," which is never a great feeling on the front end or in the midst of a mid-life crisis. For this reason, artists who work at the outer edges of the genre (incorporating elements of Americana, ambient, electronic, or funk/soul), as well as artists who have some kind of "bite," some kind of cool cred, seem to be preferable for jazz dads. So, Wynton Marsalis would not be dad-jazz, but Bill Frisell or Kamasi Washington would be. The Necks? idk, borderline, maybe

Oh, Bill Frisell is definitely dad-jazz. Shit, he recorded an entire album of John Lennon songs (not just Beatles songs but also solo Lennon songs)! There's nothing more dad-jazz than that.

The Necks’ more approachable efforts (Sex, Aquatic, Hanging Gardens, Three etc.) could easily have been packaged and marketed as the efforts of a post-rock band if they or their promoters had wished - in fact if I had been told that Chemist or Drive-By were the work of (post-Talk Talk spin-off band) O’rang when I first listened to them I would not have blinked. To the extent I think of the Necks as “dad-“ anything it’s probably dad-that rather than dad-jazz.

That doesn’t apply to their more improvisational-sounding releases like Piano Bass Drums or Vertigo of course.

i'm an old sod so my Dad's jazz is mainstream 60s Verve etc - Ahmad Jamal, Yusef Lateef, Ramsey Lewis, Dave Brubeck, Stan Getz, Cal Tjader, Gerry Mulligan, Wes Montgomery, Chet Baker, Nina Simone et al

Not to my dad, but I know dads my age who have gotten very into International Anthem and the Jeff Parkerverse. Not the Necks though.

The Necks’ more approachable efforts (Sex, Aquatic, Hanging Gardens, Three etc.) could easily have been packaged and marketed as the efforts of a post-rock band if they or their promoters had wished - in fact if I had been told that Chemist or Drive-By were the work of (post-Talk Talk spin-off band) O’rang when I first listened to them I would not have blinked. To the extent I think of the Necks as “dad-“ anything it’s probably dad-that rather than dad-jazz.

Yes, I don't hear very much "jazz" in a lot of their music but that's how they're marketed or perhaps it's how they think of themselves... I don't actually know, I've never read any interviews with them.

I wasn’t meaning to suggest I don’t hear much jazz in their sound. And they’re certainly more devoted to jazz notions of improvisation than most post-rock was, even post-rock with very clear jazz influences like Tortoise. Which is perhaps why the basic sound of their first few albums (In A Silent Way meets Future Days) remains such a handy skeleton key for thinking about their relationship to jazz and not-jazz both, because a commitment to both improvisation and studio editing come down to them from both sides of that family tree.

I meant more that if they sound like the “dad” version of anything to me - the music one might graduate to as a more mature and chill form of other stuff you were into previously - it would probably be the Future Days side of their family tree, and similarly stuff like Talk Talk, Bark Psychosis, Laika and, yes, Tortoise etc.

I am a dad and yes to that.