Braid: c/d?

Message Bookmarked

Bookmark Removed

Braid is probably the band most representative of the whole 90's emo thing. They're less poppy than, say, the Get Up Kids and have an enormous amount of in print material. I think they're one of the best of these sort of bands, yet a bit overexposed. As Pitchfork reported, Braid has more posthumous material released than the Pixies have.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 12 December 2002 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

never trust a pitchfork.

braid rocketh in excelsius deo, esp the music for movie series

― Queen G (Queeng), Thursday, 12 December 2002 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud. If I wanted to listen to Jawbox, I'd listen to Jawbox.

― hstencil, Thursday, 12 December 2002 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Highly underrated. People who wouldn't give Braid the time of day when they were together are giving obviously Braid-influenced bands like Pretty Girls Make Graves or Hot Hot Heat rave reviews. I don't think anybody was better at the hardcore/pop-punk blend that defined third-wave emo. Frame & Canvas might be the only album you need from that scene.

Hey Mercedes, on the other hand, are a monstrous Dud.

― Dean Roberts, Thursday, 12 December 2002 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty Girls and HHH are Braid-influenced? Wuh?

One classic thing about Braid: All the indie girls love to groove to "Dozen Roses," which is a great pop song.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 December 2002 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"This Town" = "First Day Back" (practically)

Don't know the PGMG album as well, but every time I hear it it strikes me as Braid w/ Girl Singer.

― Dean Roberts, Thursday, 12 December 2002 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Braid didn't have half of the energy that PGMG has, nor the adventurousness...

I don't know either of the songs you cite for Braid = HHH, but HHH is awful, awful new-wave-tinged power pop. I can't think of a duller record I've heard all year. The critical and fan support baffles me. I trashed it when I reviewed it, and I couldn't believe that the editor assigned such a piece of shit record to me... Lo and behold a month later every other glossy's writing about and jizzing all over it. Oh well.

A big reason why Braid is a dud: Their drummer owes one of my best friends $500. My friend booked them to play our college a few years ago. The administration had not cut the check for the band in time, so they were going to mail it to them. Braid pitched a fit, so my friend, being the nice guy that he is, agreed to cut them a check personally, and then the band would be required to sign the school's check over to him, once they received it. The assholes instead decided to pocket both checks and they've ignored his phone calls for the past three years. I think he should sue, but he says it's not worth it.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 December 2002 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

PGMG and Braid share the same kind of "let's play a whole lot of notes and make a bunch of stop-start meter changes" post-hardcore sound, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that one influenced the other. And Hot Hot Heat shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread; if anything, they're an offshoot of San Diego Spock-rock, not Midwestern emo.

That said: Frame And Canvas = Classic, everything else is neither here nor there. Hey Mercedes = Dud so far, except for "Bells", which = Classic.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 13 December 2002 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

No Knife is the best at anything that approximates this general pop rock guitar genre. I've yet to listen to any similar record that trumps "Fire in the City of Automatons". Hey, thread idea.

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 December 2002 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently I'm the only person here, but I like The Age of Octeen more than any other Braid release I've heard, incl. Frame & Canvas. You can't fuck with songs like "The Chandelier Swing", "American Typewriter", and "My Baby Smokes." Just amazing pop songs, and Braid have v. good lyrics. But I like word play, so maybe some other people find them utterly inane.

I also definitely see the PGMG/Braid comparisons, except that Pretty Girls... really suck. They embodied the whole "irritating scenester with dyed black hair and a Fugazi patch" thing for me when I saw them live. Three of the people I was with hated them so much that they left before Les Savy Fav came on.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd leave before Les Savy Fav came on, too. Ugh.

― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd leave before Les Savy Fav came on, too. Ugh.

Have you ever seen them live? They put on an amazing show even though their records are piss poor. The singer's just a ridiculously crazy motherfucker; last time (the show with PGMG) he jumped up on the bar, spilled beer on all the middle-aged businessmen and broke the lamps hanging above. Worth seeing. (Also, their music actually has energy live.)

― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yes I have, and no they're still pretty awful no matter what antics that guy pulls. Nobody paid any attention to them when that guy didn't do that, btw.

At least they're less boring than Braid.

― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Kind of classic AND dud.

― OCP (OCP), Saturday, 14 December 2002 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

lord help me but i've been listening to frame and canvas a lot lately. and those motherfuckers still owe my friend $$$!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago)

yanc3y, it's a fuckin good record! so singable in the car.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 December 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago)

age of octeen is better, cutty dude.

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 23 December 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago)

you keep saying that ian. i do not agree. f&c!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 23 December 2004 04:36 (twenty years ago)

octeen!

― Matt Boch (Matt Boch), Thursday, 23 December 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

I have never heard braid before 2 weeks ago....and FRAME AND CANVAS IS PWNING MY ASS. I AM ON AN EMO/ALCOHOL BENDER!!!!!!

2 BAD I LOST CUTTY'S COPY OF THE CD.

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

frame & canvas = 90s classic

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

IS IT BETTER THAN THE EMERGENCY AND I CD YOU NEVER PAID ME FOR ON EBAY???

― wheres my $9 + SHIPPING DICK! (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

didn't that come out in 2000?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE CRUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

u r all gay

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

haha i wonder if i still have my copy of f&c actually

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

i think i have a frame and canvas lp..... IF U DUDES WANT IT

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

you don't sell f&c

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

IF U DO..SEND IT TO CUTTY. HE HAS BEEN CRYING EMO TEARS EVER SINCE I LOST IT.

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

THAT PART ABOUT IT BEING COLD IN CHICAGO...THEN HE SAYS CALIFORNIA. IS THE DUMBEST/BEST THING IN MY VERY LITTLE WORLD.

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

that part

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

ddb = emo newbie

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO, I ENJOY DIET COKE.

― WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

lync, doodz

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

drunk drummer dave from lync is my bro

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

i am gonna pound nyquil when i get home tonight and listen to that album before i pass out

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

AND FAT LEAD SINGER S4M IS BROS WITH THE EX.

― NO THX (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

haaaa..no nyquil doesnt have the right shit in it..you need cheap tussin..the olde r the better

is that the one with decorate your spine on it? the friend im meeting after work used to have a braid poster in her living room....

should i send her yr way ddb? though she told me shes not drinking...

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

ddb, are you gonna start wearing the girl jeans?

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

START??

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

haha i am taking the nyquil because i am sick : (

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

BEN, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE HER FIGURE AS "BANGKOK LADYBOY"?

IF SO, YES PLZ!

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

you know, as soon asi hit go, i realized my mistake...do they really fit better?

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

ITS LIKE LAYING YR SCROTUM IN A BRIGHT GOLD FOUNTAIN....CUPPING IS THE WORD IM LOOKING FOR.

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

havent seen her in like a year and a half...but unless you like yr ladyboy's busty yr outta luck

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gridskipper.com/travel/100405.7.jpg

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

do better

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

IM TRYING DOOD. ITS HARD WITH ALL THIS TERRIBLE EMO MUSIC AND DELICIOUS ALCOHOL.

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

katoey does not have a possey

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

BROFL.

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

the picture loads now....

when are you gonna switch over the 1st cursive albums....

(s)he might..how many people do you see right now ddb?

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

IVE NEVER HEARD CURSIVE. IF ITS HORRIBLE...IM ALL OVER IT!

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT DO U MEAN BEN?

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

ha jon started this braid thread

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://xscenesterx.org/images/Covers/IndianSummer.jpg

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

ohhhh, youll love the early cursive....if you take yr benderout of the house ill bring you some...

im asking how the tasty spirits are effecting yr vision

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

theres some song that has a verse that starts

"past out on your LAAW-AWWWN"

another starts "drunk on basille day-hay"

awesome

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

i still listen to "a dozen roses" regularly. it's a great song!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah theres that little guitar lick there....

shit i gotta get outta here

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

I've just gotten into Frame and Canvas recently. What other albums would you guys recommend in that vain (note: I LOVE Cap'n Jazz's anthology/collection)?

Keep in mind that I hate "emo," or what it has evolved into. I do love that midwest 90s Jawbox/Fugazi "emo" sound though.

― .............. (Pearl Hooch), Sunday, 28 January 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)

Cap 'n Jazz! Really!

(I'm drunk, but really digging all the Kinsella-stuff).

― Marty Innerlogic (marty innerlogic), Sunday, 28 January 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

braid and cap'n are pretty much the best out of that scene

maybe, maybe, you'd like the promise ring too, but i can't vouch for that

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 28 January 2007 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Cap'n Jazz eats Braid for breakfast.

I'm kind of convinced Tim Kinsella is going to age into Mark E Smith.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 17:21 (seventeen years ago)

hey coffee eyes

― cutty, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:14 (seventeen years ago)

a few years ago, i knew this nearly 50 year old archaeologist dude with about 30 letters after his name tell me how i should listen to braid and heatmiser.

― res, Friday, 25 July 2008 14:22 (seventeen years ago)

rong and ronger

― wanko ergo sum, Friday, 25 July 2008 14:34 (seventeen years ago)

God, HStencil's comments on this thread! What a grumpy man. (And Braid never sounded anything like Jawbox at all - whole different animal).

Braid's drummer was awesome, but I hope he paid back Yanc3y's buddy.

― Savannah Smiles, Friday, 25 July 2008 15:04 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

frame & canvas = 90s classic

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:08 (5 years ago) Bookmark

― ww2011 (tpp), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)

two months pass...

So the new EP is decent-ish. Not great, but I wasn't really expecting them to blow me away in 2011 anyway. The first track is easily the worse of the bunch though, definitely Hey Mercedes-lite. Gets better as it goes along though, and certainly not worth the dismissive 2.6 from Pitchfork.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 22:34 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

Anyone else feeling the new album?

― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 10 July 2014 12:39 (eleven years ago)

I like it. Not blown away, but feel like it's a picking up point from where they left off but taking into account the 15 years inbetween.

― michaellambert, Thursday, 10 July 2014 12:46 (eleven years ago)

so far nothing's grabbing me as hard as "universe or worse" from the 2011 EP but ice had it on repeat for 2 days and it's def growing

"doing yourself in" has some great drumming and the line "she's got stars in her eyes/ for me and some other guys"

― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Thursday, 10 July 2014 12:51 (eleven years ago)

i love it, "pre evergreen" is one of the best things they've ever done

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 July 2014 12:53 (eleven years ago)

this album is seriously taking over my summer

a friend came up w/ the best tagline/throwaway joke for the first Braid album in 16 years:

"Motherfuckers act like they forgot about Braid"

― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 15:27 (eleven years ago)

this album rules

― adam, Monday, 28 July 2014 16:09 (eleven years ago)

this album rules

― adam, Monday, July 28, 2014 11:09 AM (58 seconds ago)

― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Monday, 28 July 2014 16:10 (eleven years ago)

wouldn't it have to be "brai"?

― markers, Monday, 28 July 2014 16:56 (eleven years ago)

this album rules

― adam, Monday, July 28, 2014 11:09 AM (58 seconds ago)

― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Monday, July 28, 2014 9:10 AM (1 hour ago)

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 28 July 2014 17:48 (eleven years ago)

i think maybe part of what makes this record so good is that at times it sounds like the longawaited followup to destination failure more than to frame & canvas

― adam, Monday, 4 August 2014 19:25 (eleven years ago)

I wasn't sold on this during the first half, Chris Broach's songs especially were bugging me - his new(ish) singing style makes some of the cornier lyrics pop out more than ever. But good fucking god damn, at the pairing of "Put Some Wings On That Kid" and "Lux" I was sold. This album rules. Makes me super nostalgiac for the years when I'd get to see them play all over Champaign and be able to go buy records from Bob Nanna at Record Service.

― Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 15:51 (eleven years ago)

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.