ilm nyc gt pt 2?

I'm in Japan, but I definitely won't be going above Grand.

You're still not invited Momus, you wannabe hipster snob. :P

I'm ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS up for a pub meet. We should go someplace midtown because that'd be fastest for the New Jerseyians and Long Islanders to get to - give me a day or two to think up something and we'll be sorted (of course anyone can suggest).

why is midtown so much more accessible?

Because it's called "midtown", and thus with a name like "midtown" they have to put the two train stations there because otherwise they'd have to call it Hell's Kitchen or something. I am going to run with the assumption that most people attending will use public transit.

The problem, though, is that, accessibility be damned, midtown bars are godawful. Every time I've gone to one something crap has happened.

D o you guys ever go to Bar'do to see "HI FI"? My freind Anita spind there, you might like it.

Oooh! I'm going to be in NY in this period, and would love to go to a meet-up. Also, I will attempt to drag Jimmy along.

Envy eats my guts for I am a poor mf and will have to stay home, eating pasta.

can pub meets truly happen in the united states? isn't it just a bar meet? even if the bar is styled on the british pub?

If you make the ILM-NYC pub-meet in the middle of the day, you can snack on a Ploughman's Lunch, followed by crumpets with margarine and marmite, Horlicks and/or Vimto, and a gob-full of humbugs as you wend your way home. Er, pukka...

To anyone who cares:

Marmite = Yeast Extract
Horlicks = Malt Extract
Vimto = Unspecified Fruit Extract

Crumpet is not = English Muffin. English Muffins barely exist in England.

'Interesting' survey of Muffins, Crumpets and Pikelets here. It ends with the sage words "Muffins, crumpets and pikelets, does it really matter what we call them as long as we continue to enjoy them?", a baker's take on "Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk It's still Rock n' Roll to me"?

Vimto also = anagram of 'vomit'. And if you've ever tasted it, you'll know this is no accident...

Sterling Clover and Jimmy the Mod making appearances?! Fucking hell, now I know I need to buy new film.

considering what "pub meets" mean -- sitting around in a pub and, like, talking to each other -- and what has actually been going on in new york, i think at the VERY least, nyc meet-ups should be referred to as CLUB meets, if not bar meets to fend off any unsavory association with what goes on in london!

Hey, we talked at the last meet! Ramon loudly and repeatedly insisted he hated all music ever, Otis called me a whore (sorry, babe, but it's not like Fred hasn't already told everybody he knows about this story, it's pretty hilarious in the end), Stephanie talked to people about New Jersey, Cesar chatted with me briefly about his new job, Ian complained about the "Magic Potions" being weak, then a few of us made fun of Spin magazine for no apparent reason. Just because we didn't talk about, you know, Gorillaz or something doesn't mean we didn't talk! You weren't there! Don't slander our kick ass meet!

Ramon did express a fondness for Turbonegro...(whom I still haven't heard).

I'm not convinced Turbonegro exist(s?). I think people just like saying 'I Got Erection' a lot.

Turbonegro don't exist, they broke up in a mental ward in Italy when Hank Von Helvete lost his shit. He is now the manager and only employee of a whaling museum in Norway.

Fred, I seriously doubt your ability to tell that story. Do you mention how me and Ramon just up and left Ally's, leaving Ramon's stereo, his Anal Cunt and Paterini (Czechoslovakian proto-grindcore!) records, and my car, and convinced a friend of ours to drive from western Mass. to southern CT just to pick us up, even though it meant that he wouldn't sleep, because he had a flight to Amsterdam the next morning? How we convinced another friend to drive us all the way from western Mass. to the Lincoln Tunnel just to pick up my car, then on the way home I hit a deer and totaled it? You probably don't even quote me. "I lost my woman, my car, my money, my ATM card, and my cigar," did you use that one? Or "I don't wanna go out with grace, I wanna go out like a dumb asshole"?

okay, so you talked. but while YOU talked, THINGS WERE GOING ON AROUND YOU; in london, i get the impression that they spoke and were surrounded by similar groups of young men speaking and drinking beer.

and, otis, normally i'd say "details-shmetails," but that's hardly ever the case when you're involved, is it? i was told you took a train back to western mass., OBVIOUSLY I WAS MISINFORMED. and this deer thing sounds like a new revelation. as far as quotes, i'm afraid i had to resort to paraphrasing. those are good quotes, though and they both sound like song lyrics, song lyrics for EMO.

i haven't a clue whats going on here, but i'll say one thing, yr nyc meet up sounds like it beat the crap out of our london one...

my theory stands

O, I just want to clarify that the quote I think you're referring to came well before any of this nonsense, and I make a point of it because I distinctly remember wanting an audio document of some kind - a portrait of the ILMite as a young man, midori sour balanced precariously in swaying hand - "we're not going to go out with grace, we're going to go out like jackasses!" Salut!

I cannot condone the midtown action. It will suck your soul right out of your body. I am thinking somewhere downtown with a provocative jukebox or DJ. Motor City Bar? Luna Lounge? Ludlow Bar? Can u tell where I hang out...?

What I can't wait for is comparing and contrasting the planned August meet-ups in the UK and New York. Then I WILL BE THE IMPARTIAL JUDGE OF BOTH.

You'll be like one of those Olympic officials, with the respective cities trying to bribe you with gifts and prostitutes.

YOU WERE NOT MISINFORMED. They did take a train back - their friend drove to the train station an hour or so away to pick them up FROM THAT POINT. Jesus, Fred. What is this, the Spanish Inquisition? They had no car, and I doubt their friend was going to come all the way down to the city to get them, hello, after I kicked their bitchy drunk asses out of my joint.

The best part of the night was when Steph inexplicably marched up to Otis, threw her hands in his face, and said, "PFFF, FUCKING MORON" and then stormed off. Then again, he did tell her he wanted to murder her and that he hated her so I guess it was justified. I wonder what Foxy Lady made out of us, since SOME people were wandering around the party claiming I was off making out with not one but TWO gentlemen and then Steph was marching around saying "Fucking moron" and then the dancing, my god the horrible dancing.

Zack totally asked me about Ramon btw, did anyone tell him I knew the "guy in the fly whips" (?!?!?!?!? WHY? WHY?)? Because if anyone did they're getting stabbed with a fork, like I wanna talk to that guy ever again.

Oh, and back to this current meet up situation: yeah, I really hate midtown bars too, fuck people from New Jersey and Long Island and their proximity to Penn Station and Grand Central. It's either uptown or downtown and since you all came to me last time, we'll come to the downtown area this time. Someplace at least semi-convenient though, not the bloody Boiler Room, when Mike and Fred insisted we go there it took the rest of us like something about 4 hours to get back uptown.

I will bribe Ned with anomic Shibuya schoolgirls, who run away with his money to buy more better Nokia.

Tracer Hand, you're a good man, but what you just said is even more insulting than the emo crack. I DID NOT TOUCH the Midori Sours. If you yourself hadn't left your vodka tonic sitting in front of me, I would've only drank white Russians (not counting the screwdrivers that I got drunk on before even going to the Potion Lounge). Fuck Midori Sours. I am not homosexual, I do not drink multicolored, predominantly green, alcohol.

Wherever the next meet is, me and Ramon won't go unless you can guarantee lots of hot, preferably genetically engineered, women.

Ah, so you will be wanting midtown then...

Ramon will go if me and Steph tell him to, he's called our house at least twice this week, jesus.

Anyhow, a man who is secure in his masculinity is perfectly fine drinking midori sours. Keep in mind a lady is more likely to want a sip of that and share and get close up than, say, straight vodka.

those two, i swear, they've read too many russian novels. someone get them some bronte!

Ramon will go if I give him permission to, if I drive him there, and if I loan him even more money. That's the only way he goes anywhere.

A man who is secure in his masculinity is not spending all his time trying to be more masculine, so he's probably gay. Why does the Lady need to sip my drink, doesn't she have her own? What kind of a gay-ass bastard shares his drink?

Sharing a drink is a sign of Niceness. Unless you're a selfish bastard, which also has its appeal.

I do like the idea of suffering through bribing attempts ("No, please, no more drinks and good food"), though I would note that plying me with cheap tarts and the like would rouse the wrath of my girlfriend, who will, after all, be actually at the London meet. So that's Mark S's otherwise flawless plan shot, then.

I'll buy the lady a drink, she doesn't need to sip mine. Niceness is only good when its traditionally socially applicable (just like assholeishness is only good when its socially inapplicable).

Hang on, what London meet? What's going on, eh?

Ally, Otis, fucking knock it off. Take it to email or just don't talk to each other at all.

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while you guys are on the clarifying spree- what does "Sweet FA " refer to?

Um, Josh? Get the stick out of your fucking ass. We were kidding around.

Feel free to delete at will.

Regarding London -- you'll see.

Hrrrm. Okay, for the first time in like my life I feel bad: Josh, sorry for snapping at you. I was kidding regarding something said at the NYC meet regarding sharing drinks, thinking someone remembered it. But Fred just repeated a post directed towards me that was deleted before I read it and, quite frankly, it didn't sound like a joke. So, sorry Josh. Go on with what you were doing, all.

Nooooooo Ned, I MUST KNOW! NOW!

No worries, Ally.

So, gettin gback to what "sweet FA " means. Any takers? ie With Sweet FA to do today.

Fuck All?

Kris is right.

I see . So "With Sweet FA to do today " means "with sweet fuck all "to do today. I ...uh...guess that makes...sense? nothing to do today? Why is the fuck all sweet?

Because in the long-gone days when it was considered unacceptable to say the f-word in company, daring young things would substitute the phrase "Fanny Adams" for FA: a phrase possibly from a music-hall song which I BET NO ONE ON THE BOARD HAS EVER HEARD. Fuller phrase = "sweet Fanny Adams", which works as a curse cuz of extra inverted bitterness.

I can't believe anyone out there doesn't know this already. Surely not. Perhaps the next question will be 'Where Do Babies Come From?'.

I didn't know it. Now tell me about babies.

Well, mummy and daddy have a special cuddle, and then a baby pops out around 9 months later. Well, that's my understanding of it anyway.

And the Sweet had a song "Sweet F.A." which the band Sweet F.A. (hair metal ca. 90) named themselves after. Sweet F.A. recorded the 6th best hair metal song about strippers, "Daily Grind," had a cool song about "sexy little Sherry with a rich old man she ain't gonna marry", covered Randy Newman, had a sweet first album, but a fanny adams second.

I'm in favor of daytime drinking. That's pretty rock n roll isn't it?

Who said that people have to get stinking drunk at the meet anyway? Couldn't you just, you know... drink casually on a Sunday? Sheesh.

It's not the drinking -I drink heavily during midweek sometimes, and I haven't been one for drinking lately anyhow. It's just that the day afterwards is Monday and I've got to get to work on time and the possibility of being stuck out late isn't a good proposition. See, if people absolutely want to do it Sunday and that's the best for the majority of people, I'll do it. I was just expressing my concern, that's all.

Clearly, we all checked the "it's better to find a solution that the whole group can agree on" radio button in the Spark personality test. I was suprised to find a distinct lack of Soviet propaganda on that site, BTW.

Are you going to attend, Josh?

Dude, if Josh came, I'd be there and I wouldn't even drink. Alas.

I'm in favor of daytime drinking. That's pretty rock n roll isn't it?

I started drinking in the middle of the afternoon before the last meet. Are you still in favor of daytime drinking? Besides, me and Ramon aren't coming to this one, so why even bother being rock 'n roll? Take the opportunity to talk about music without having it immediately and gratuitously slagged on.

Don't worry, there are plenty of ways to go rock 'n' roll with me around. I seem to bring out the worst instincts in people, really. That's why god is punishing me with all these zits I've gotten on my chin recently.

Tracer, I have $1 to my name at the moment and I live in Iowa. So, no. I am holding out hope for flying from Minneapolis in October when Tom may be in NY, though. Assuming my poor graduate student ass can afford it.

It better be on Sunday, or else I can't do it. At least Friday and Saturday are suddenly and completely booked, due to a long story.

FINE. We'll do it on a SUNDAY and when I'm late for work AGAIN I will give out all of your phone numbers as my kidnappers and have my boss call all of YOU.

Really, I don't care.

I am holding out hope for flying from Minneapolis in October when Tom may be in NY, though. Assuming my poor graduate student ass can afford it.

Oh, rob a bank if you have to. I think this will probably be the big NYC meet up, because I hope to make it too. Plus, it will give me an excuse to visit the big NYC Sanrio store. I am still in shock over the rumor that they are discontinuing Badtz Maru, so I may have to stock up! Tarepanda rocks, but he is still no substitute!

I would like this space (use your imagination) to be filled with a statement of my utter ignorance of whatever you are talking about a la Pinefox.

How about a daytime date on Sunday? That leaves the day pleasantly open-ended and those who wish to get their sleepies in may do so, and also leaves open the possibility of a drunken excursion to the Elizabeth St. Mall to find every Badtz-Maru keychain variation we can before all of Chinatown shuts down. I suggest: Good World, 3 Orchard St., 4pm?

Just to clarify, I hope to make the one in Oct., I have too much work to do right now to go anywhere.

But the thought just occurred to me...in the meantime someone should pay Momus wads of money (a la Stars Forever) to storm the Sanrio HQ and DEMAND the reinstatement of Badtz Maru. Cause I can't just pick up and go to Japan, like. Wish I had the free time though, because it is a just and worthy cause.

Okay, where the hell is Orchard St? At least I realized that I had been to Ludlow before, when we walked past the fries place and the one bar that let me in to see a friend's band, let me sit there for an hour, and then randomly carded me a few months ago, like out of the blue. So bizarre.

so, sunday at 4 at good world? it would be nice if this could be finalized quickly -- i'm hoping to make one more online visit maybe tomorrow before i leave.

everyone should also come to see me play in the new 100-guitar branca symphony 7 pm on june 13 at the world trade centre because it's free.

to help you meet me: i'm a skinny 22-yr old brown guy with short hair and glasses.

Sunday at 4 at Good World sounds well enough for me.

Here's a map. From Penn Station, Sundar, you'd take the ACE (blue ones) downtown to West 4th, transfer to the BDQ (orange ones; not the F) and take that down to the Grand St. stop. You'll smell the fish before you leave the station. Walk east to Orchard St. and then south towards Canal. Anybody else, I guess just figure out how to get to Grand St. and the above will work.

Good World's got Swedish meatballs, in case anybody's on the fence.

HOLD UP. tracer, are you sure good world is open on sundays? i just went to citysearch the get the scoop on this place and they don't have hours listed for sunday. anyone interested can check here:

http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/7084934/

it also seems that there's a snooty bouncer at the door, but i'll defer to the experience of anyone who's been there.

Oh that'd be rich. "Errr, we've been standing outside here for 3 hours, when's it opening again?" Then I'd be all, screw this, let's go to 68th and Columbus and just go to Peter's.

I will check on it, Fred.

It opens at noon.

then, as they say, it is on.

i am drunkenly pleased to proclaim the meet a success despite our (mine, sterling's, and jimmy's) early suspicions that we were being stood up.

I would like to verify the previous post from Mr. Sundar. And I'd like to point out that he, Ally, Fred, bnw, and Tracer can confirm that I do exist and am just as incisive, witty and charming as one might imagine me to be, but apparently not in the form that anyone suspected. You see, I arrived in disguise, sans-Vespa and wartime coat, and was not belligerent or ill mannered, despite my attempts to convince others to pull a dine-n-dash and, after the others became cowards and chose to pay their bill, stiff the waitresses.

For future ILM NYC meets, Mr. Tracer and I decided that you all should come to dirty Brooklyn and eat food here, or at least find a place that is cheaper and better than the places we ate. I know of many.

Kindest regards.

Oh, I like Fanelli's. And I thought it was touching the way our waitress eventually gave herself over to us after her initial mistrust. Them's a salty crew in there (-- the bartender told everyone to quiet down about 4 minutes after we arrived).

Nicole -- you may have to get that otaku stuff on your own in October. The Elizabeth Street Mall, in a bad chance, did NOT meet with with general satisfaction from the group.

So..... can anyone attack a list of the bands mentioned? I just tried and failed miserably. Most of them were bands Sterling made up.

Britney. Swans. Sonic Youth. Neubauten. Merzbow. Jay Z. Public Enemy. REM. Elvis Costello. Low. Godspeed YBE!. Darla Records. Faith Hill. Smiths. Nirvana. Cure. Pavement. Shipping News. The Fall. Rites of Spring. My Bloody Valentine. Summer Hymns. The New Year. The Faint. Missy Elliot. Destiny's Child. Blur. Spacemen 3. John Cale. Lou Reed. At The Drive In. Rage Against the Machine. Soundgarden. Bruce Springstein. Codeine. James Taylor. Slint. Red Man. Method Man. . . and on and on . . .

Alan Jackson! Branca. Sundar is the Chuck Eddy of Slowcore. Jeff Mills. Rodan. Palace Brothers. Britney bootlegs from c-town. Superwoman pt II. The, uh, manics. Momus (and why he's got Japan so mixed up). And the quote of the night, so I hear, is "I give handjobs when I'm nervous". Also mentioned: Reel Big Fish, Goldfinger. Also mentioned: Tonic.

I was the only chick there, it was so weak. And I got a blister on my foot from ALL THE GODDAMNED WALKING. Oh, and everyone just talked about music and I was all about talking about lamps and myself, but I didn't think anyone would want to hear it so I kept quiet. Plus, I was sick (I'm home sick today, for the record). But other than that it was hella cool.

And I liked that mall. I'd go back there. Me, you and Nicole, Tracer, we'll go.

STOP SAYING HELLA.

for the record, sterling said "hella" twice.

sundar said "aboot" too many times to count, though he usually was forced to do it under penalty of me breaking his fucking arm.

Also mentioned: Lotion, Spin Art Records, Jennifer Herrema, Neil Hagerty, Chuck D, Flava Flav, Chris Cornell, B Real, D'Angelo, Bruce Springsteen, ...? Cheers to Ally for representing, not only herself but an entire gender.

Chuck D and Flava Flav were only mentioned in context of Sterling and Jimmy being LIKE Chuck D and Flava Flav. I've since decided that I also need a Chuck D and was wondering where I could get one.

you could probably get a used chuck d. for cheap from public enemy themselves. lord knows he's not up to much these days!

just reminding y'all to come to the show tomorrow. wtc plaza, 7pm, no admission. had the first rehearsal today and the piece sounds like it will be great. it's an hour long.

i was only occasionally belligerent and ill-mannered at the gt. i mean, $6 us is rather a lot for a rum & coke.

And I still wanted to hit you...

Just 'coz...

: )

sundar is fiercely masculine; he's likely to call you a "pussy" if he doesn't much care for you. and he'll throw drinks at you too. and he judges everyone.

He totally HURLED a drink on me. First Otis does it, then Sundar. It's divine payback for hurling wine in Fred's face at Chuck's.

Why did no one bring the Jerry Cam? The film would have been the star of my Busby Berkely dreams.

Orchard Street? I've got a song called 'Orchard Street'.

This Sundar guy sounds great.

You shoulda come, instead of just skulking around Chinatown, avoiding us.

So...your ID got confiscated? ;)

i only call you a pussy if you sing for some wimpfest slowcore band and deserve it. everyone knows slowcore ended with five leaves left anyway. i only judge people who can't take a joke. and the only thing i remember "throwing" (if that) was that barber shop bill.

ah well. i'm leaving tomorrow. it was a gorgeous trip and i thank you all profusely for your delightful company. you're all warmly invited to do a drink should you pass by ottawa, where we speak english properly, get codeine over the counter, and pay for a martini what you pay for a rum & coke. unless it's after the summer and i move to montreal as planned. in that case you'd have to come to montreal. i'm sure simon and patrick would join us. we could check out some french prog or something.

adieu.

At least in Canada I'd be able to use my real ID. Yes, my fake got confiscated. My new fake one is totally weak, I look all cute and shit. We're totally making friends with the guy at the fake ID place though, he's started giving us discounts.

Sundar, if you move to Montreal I AM SO THERE. My wife is still angry with me because I went without her.

Well, hello, duh, of course that guy is going to give you discounts, you're there every week practically. How the hell do you keep getting your IDs confiscated?

Shame on all of you for missing Sundar's gig. It was a beautiful day, and there were a lot of people on hand for the guitar army. I will admit to getting a little bored after the first 20 minutes, but Glenn Branca's utterly dissipated conducting performance was worth it. Is he always that boozed up in the daytime Sundar or does he just look it? Christ, he almost staggered into me when he tried to leave.

All clubs and 9/10 liquor stores in western Mass confiscate fake IDs on sight.

Go to one where the assistant is blind, then.

20 minutes? hmph. well, my uncle liked it.

if i could afford it, i'd be trashed every afternoon too.

It was very hard to hear properly. Even right in front of the stage, hands cupped around ears, I could tell I was losing a lot of it. My friend Matt videotaped it and he tells me the tape captured lots that we were missing. Did Branca make a proper recording?

pictures of the show are up. i can be seen in the second photo from the top of this page. i appear less clearly on the fourth page too.