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The 1st 3 albums are often held up as avant garde/electronic classics. But are they actually any good?
'Games Without Frontiers' is a classic , but 'Biko' i dont think i could listen to due to the mauling Simple Minds gave it. Both are from '3'.

Jimmy Smith, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 13:05 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think Gabriel ever wrote a song that was without flaw. I loved "And Through the Wire" and "I Don't Remember" .. but there was always something missing or some added element of cheese ... Albumwise, there were always some duds on his records, so ... OK, I'll say it: "Overrated."


dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 13:16 (twenty-two years ago) link

First album I think is great and well worth hearing, though he was still trying to find a consistent solo career style. I was listening to it for the first time in a long while earlier this year, and though the music I feel still holds up well, the lyrics do not, filled with the (rather corny, IMO) puns he made in Genesis.

Anyway, "Moribund the Burgermeister" is a great, weird number, but there's also not much separating it from past work. "Modern Love" is a no frills rock tune, very much no way he would play something like that today (sadly; he could use an injection of livelihood on his last albums), "Excuse Me" is a semi-comic relief number with barbershop quartet opening. "Humdrum" is also very Genesis-like, but I think it's the best tune on the album.

The second album I've actually never heard, in all my years of being a fan. I keep meaning to pick it up, especially since everything's been remastered. People say it's pretty underrated...

I never really liked his third album, myself. The songs just never really clicked with me, except maybe "Intruder".

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 15:05 (twenty-two years ago) link

Everything up through the quizzically named SECURITY (a title which Garbriel claimed he had nothing to do with) is great. After that? FEh.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 16:11 (twenty-two years ago) link

i've never listened to any of them EXCEPT "Biko"

i've never heard the simple minds version, but Robert Wyatt covers it, and beautifully at that

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:42 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pretty much what Alex said except change "great" to "good."

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 18:46 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always got the feeling that his first three albums are like Big Star's albums or watching Citizen Kane. You've by now heard it all before in other bands.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 20:47 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think Gabriel ever wrote a song that was without flaw

For me, "San Jacinto" and "Rhythm of the Heat" come damn close...

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 05:04 (twenty-two years ago) link

five years pass...

So!

"Red Rain"!

roxymuzak, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh yeah man, I have totally been on a Red Rain trip of late. Just can't get away from that song at all.

Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Listened to it driving through the farmland surrounding Bristol, VA in bright, bright sunlight following a hotel morning today. 100% arcadian.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Listen to the sound of the drums before the break!

Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost

Fantastic! I grew up in VA.

Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I <3 Daniel Lanois 4-ever.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Red Rain". "Mercy Street" too. Something about that line: "swear they moved that sign."

It's funny, because I was browsing YouTube and had just finished watching this when I saw this thread. These two have always struck me as two sides of the same coin, both following a particularly English trail of slightly ethereal slightly mad overflowingly creative whimsy.

Lostandfound, Monday, 10 March 2008 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Peter looks so young there!

Were he and Kate ever in a romantic relationship with one another? I thought I remembered reading this, but I can't find anything confirming it. I must have made it up.

roxymuzak, Monday, 10 March 2008 04:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Doesn't he? I'm not sure, but it would be kind of weird, like siblings making out. Which is also creepily awesome in their case (and only in their case, right?).

Lostandfound, Monday, 10 March 2008 04:50 (sixteen years ago) link

aaaaaaahhhhh! It's the performance of "Another Day"! I haven't seen this in awhile. WOW. Thanks!

Bimble, Monday, 10 March 2008 05:09 (sixteen years ago) link

No really, this has made my night. Oh my god.

Bimble, Monday, 10 March 2008 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I know. Mine too.

Lostandfound, Monday, 10 March 2008 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link

New album is called "Big Blue Balls"!!

King Boy Pato, Monday, 10 March 2008 07:11 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Here Comes The Flood

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 28 February 2009 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link

IS HE GOTH OR NOT? LOOK AT THAT PICTURE!

He's going to marry Kate Bush and they're going to rein as king and queen of the desert island. And we're all going to be happy. Just you wait.

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 28 February 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Peter Gabriel is even more heavenly than Brian Eno, and that's saying something.

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 28 February 2009 23:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Here Comes The Flood

― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You)

Here comes the late-night revive of the borderline goth thread by drunken Bimble, amirite?

ilxor, Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link

hahahahah too right

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 1 March 2009 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Still More Goth Than Your Cat's Asshole (Bimble), Sunday, 1 March 2009 10:58 (fifteen years ago) link

HCTF = epic

cutty, Sunday, 1 March 2009 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link

whoa kate in the clip

cutty, Sunday, 1 March 2009 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link

As good as that is, the version on Fripp's Exposure is ten times better.

I saw PG live on the So tour, which was some big poppy stuff amid a lot of other stuff I didn't really get. And yet it was still a quasi-religious experience, although I couldn't really tell you why.

mitya, Sunday, 1 March 2009 13:36 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

san jacinto KILLIN me right now

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 2 April 2009 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link

BLAST FROM THE PAST:

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 2 April 2009 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it just me, or does Pete look more than a little like Ed Helms in that HCTF clip?

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 April 2009 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link

SAN JACINTO
SAN JACINTO

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 6 April 2009 08:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Just to take me to heaven on that live album, goddamnit, wings, take me...take me there

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 6 April 2009 08:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Solsbury Hill.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 6 April 2009 08:29 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

HERE COMES THE FLOOD

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

"White Shadow" is awesome! Are there any other songs in this world where pedal steel sounds so epic?

we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Thursday, 5 November 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

not a rhetorical question btw

we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Thursday, 5 November 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Passioni: walloping beats, Fairlights backing violin lines, something called "Arghul drones," * a boys choir singing "With This Love," a track called "It is Accomplished" waiting to become a pop song. I love this album.

* I learned much about music by studying Peter Gabriel instrumental credits.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:04 (ten years ago) link

It's a good'n'.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

Sharing "your eyes" with a stranger at a bar

calstars, Saturday, 27 September 2014 03:39 (ten years ago) link

It must be hard holding that jukebox up over your head.

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 27 September 2014 05:03 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Someone tell Axl that it has been 12 years since the last Peter Gabriel album of original material.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 November 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link

he said recently maybe he'll be done soon. yeah right!

akm, Friday, 7 November 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

PG is part of a group that teaches the world how to take better videos when filming brutality as a firsthand witness.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/teaching-citizens-shoot-better-video-witness-brutality/

pilate is my cogod (Crabbits), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link

Aw he's a good guy

Birdy ost is my favorite pg album now. No words just vibes for miles.

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 01:23 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

Has Gabriel ever spoke about Gary Brooker from Procol Harum as being an influence? Listening to A Salty Dog right now and man sometimes the melody and phrasing and even tone of his voice reminds me of Gabriel (or I guess it could be an coincidence or even vice versa as they are essentially contemporaries)

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link

He supposedly has brought him up as an influence, though I don't know when/where. At the least Brooker (and most of Genesis, a couple of years later) all went to Charterhouse.

And, ha!, I've never heard this before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct_R6CPD5-o

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link

I can't think of anyone better suited to sound like Peter Gabriel in 2023 than Peter Gabriel. That it sounds like Peter Gabriel is icing on the cake.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 December 2023 01:43 (one year ago) link

He said in the latest NYTimes interview that he has a bunch more in the can and that the next album should come quicker. Here’s hoping he brings on a producer who’ll nudge him out of his familiar grooves a little.

dinnerboat, Sunday, 3 December 2023 02:41 (one year ago) link

the next album should come quicker

lol. Well, it couldn't come any slower!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 December 2023 03:54 (one year ago) link

I, for one, look forward to his next release at 93.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 7 December 2023 02:45 (one year ago) link

2093.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 December 2023 13:25 (one year ago) link

its weird how this full album finally being out has made me reassess the whole thing even though I kept a running playlist of every song as they came out and listened to it all year. I'd been 'meh' on some of it which is often the case when an act like this that was so important to me musically when I was younger releases something after a long time; I'd thought the same about Up when it came out (whereas I'd obsessively loved Us on the day of release). I eventually came around on Up but it took years. I'm inclined to think this is every bit as good as Up and some tracks are superior. When it works it really works; when it doesn't quite work, its really only barely missing...nothing makes me cringe here. Anyway, very happy with the album in the end.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 7 December 2023 21:45 (one year ago) link

Some of the lyrics are little cringy, but he's been in introspective new age self-help mode since "Us."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 December 2023 21:52 (one year ago) link

Only skippers for me after a few listens to the Darkside mix are "The Court" and "Road To Joy"

"Four Kinds of Horses" is sublime

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 7 December 2023 21:58 (one year ago) link

Wild that this isn’t making any Year End Lists

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 7 December 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link

"Four Kinds of Horses" is sublime

yes! when these were trickling out I was worried there wasn't a standout track, a "mercy street" or "I grieve" etc, but I was wrong, Horses is it.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 7 December 2023 22:39 (one year ago) link

I love that song.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 December 2023 22:44 (one year ago) link

"And Still" gets me every time I hear it.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Friday, 8 December 2023 02:56 (one year ago) link

Yeah that is also a profoundly moving song for me, having lost my mom this year.

I’m really enjoying the inside mix of the album via AirPods btw. The dark side mix is what I listen to in the car and on vinyl, and it sounds great there. But the inside mix is really rewarding and I like having to listen to it closely via headphones to appreciate it, it makes for a more intimate listening experience.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 December 2023 03:01 (one year ago) link

This album is pretty great. I guess what happens when you take 22 years between records is that a lot of people move on and stop paying attention?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

There's at least a handful of albums I can think of that are like that, where I immediately enjoy them and wonder if I'm misjudging the quality, only to realize that it's been over a full decade, maybe even two, and it's likely the artist was able to stockpile or carefully sculpt an album's worth of solid material thanks to the extra time.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link

I still don't know how to respond to this album

Which in and of itself is an intriguing response.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 03:56 (one year ago) link

is there like a dark and light album im afraid to get involved

digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 04:01 (one year ago) link

I didn't get much out of the singles as they were released, but spending time with the album as a whole, I've come to look past some of the PG-in-a-can grooves and melodies and enjoy it for what it is. His late albums (from Ovo onwards) are a different beast from what came before, slower, more reflective, less experimental, more focused on the message than on chasing exciting sounds. I also think his self-production (or "perfectionism") tends to bury the musicians in murk. But accepting all that, his voice is still great, and some of these songs have grown on me: Four Horses, Love Can Heal, even This is Home.

dinnerboat, Wednesday, 13 December 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link

I really like that you can hear a lot of live Manu this time as opposed to the loop-heavy stuff

The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link

was not expecting "road to joy" to sound so scritti politti

ufo, Thursday, 14 December 2023 08:32 (one year ago) link

this is such a 90s-album-by-80s-star album

ufo, Thursday, 14 December 2023 09:12 (one year ago) link

it's definitely better than i expected, though inconsistent and the tracks tend towards being longer than they need to be (though that's long been the case with him). very possibly his best in over 30 years regardless

truly do not understand the point of the two mixes and the release strategy didn't do him any favours

ufo, Thursday, 14 December 2023 09:48 (one year ago) link

this is such a 90s-album-by-80s-star album

― ufo, Thursday, December 14, 2023 4:12 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

love this record but will begrudgingly admit that this is otm

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 14 December 2023 12:51 (one year ago) link

^^this

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 14 December 2023 13:02 (one year ago) link

it's like exactly the album he would have put out in 1997 or so

ufo, Thursday, 14 December 2023 13:07 (one year ago) link

other things "road to joy" reminds me of: music from the spyro games, nine inch nails in a major key

ufo, Thursday, 14 December 2023 13:30 (one year ago) link

"i'm afraid of americans"

ufo, Thursday, 14 December 2023 13:33 (one year ago) link

There are a few songs on this album that definitely echo other Peter Gabriel records, or at least the last two. Again, probably because he reportedly started this one in 1995! As early as 2000 Gabriel was saying that "i/o" was supposed to be a quick follow-up to "Up."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 December 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link

Especially interesting because Up came out in 2002.

Yeah. People forget, Up came 10 years after Us, and people were complaining that *that* one was taking too long!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 December 2023 14:33 (one year ago) link

i think i slightly prefer the dark-side mixes but not enough to justify the gimmick.

kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 December 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link

I'm just glad he didn't release it as this:

https://www.stemplayer.com

dinnerboat, Thursday, 14 December 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link

wish it were a little weirder maybe, but this album is good! it's also poppier than I expected: I can remember many of the choruses after two listens

Vinnie, Saturday, 16 December 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link

As fairly casual fan (I listened to So a lot when I was 8, and that’s about it) the songs here seem more interesting and accessible than anything else I’ve heard post-So

I’m not sure I get the “90s record” reference - it sounds more like a sheen-y 2010s album to me. It’s missing that “someone’s just heard NIN for the first time” vibe

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 16 December 2023 15:07 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

So as a record for eight-year-olds kinda jibes with my feelings about PG.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 25 May 2024 12:26 (eight months ago) link

lol what

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 May 2024 12:45 (eight months ago) link

Kids Bop version of Mercy Street

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 25 May 2024 15:44 (eight months ago) link

in your daddy's arms

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 May 2024 16:26 (eight months ago) link

what 8 year old wants to sing "we do what we're told to do"

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 25 May 2024 22:05 (eight months ago) link

Not gonna happen in this century

sawdust lagoon, Saturday, 25 May 2024 23:24 (eight months ago) link

So I listened to So a lot when I was 8 or 9 because every kid loved the Sledgehammer video. And it was one of four CDs my parents owned (the others were Brothers in Arms, Equinoxe and Marriage of Figaro)

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 25 May 2024 23:50 (eight months ago) link

All I remember about Peter Gabriel when I was a growing up was thinking he was the middle-aged guy who crooned "In Your Eyes." Later on when I found out he was in Genesis (who I associated with "We Can't Dance") and saw a picture of them back in the '70s with Gabriel in complete make-up and costume, it was like "wuuuut?"

birdistheword, Sunday, 26 May 2024 17:14 (eight months ago) link

seven months pass...

Fun little gem dropped on his Bandcamp subscription today -- a rough 1981 studio mix of "I Go Swimming" with the vocals.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 January 2025 03:56 (two weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

New rarity up for the subscribers:

This version of Biko, was recorded in June, 1980 with The Looking Glass School, in Wellow, Somerset.
The school, formed in 1979, was an arts and crafts focussed primary and middle school founded by the British-American artist Jann Haworth, a leading figure in the British Pop Art movement and pioneer of soft sculpture.
Haworth is also the co-creator, along with her then husband Peter Blake, of the The Beatles 1967 Sgt. Pepper’’s Loney Hearts Club Band album cover and is an advocate for feminist rights, especially for the representation of women in the art world.

“I’d known Jann and Peter and their alternative school and I was very interested in the way they experimented with education. I kept in touch and was invited to do a project with the kids which is when this version of Biko was recorded" - pg

Recorded at Crescent Studios and Wellow School, Avon, Somerset on 11 June 1980.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 January 2025 17:12 (two days ago) link

Didn’t know he had a Bandcamp???

Dialysis Den (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 29 January 2025 18:51 (two days ago) link

Yeah Real World set one up a long while back and his solo catalog has been on there forever, plus he's been using it via a subscription service to share out both rarities and new tracks -- he dropped everything from i/o on there month per month before its release. We talk about it all upthread!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 January 2025 19:04 (two days ago) link

I think I ignored those since I’m not really interested in his current music but I’m game for rarities from the vault.

Dialysis Den (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 29 January 2025 19:24 (two days ago) link

i/o is really good, its insane it got like no critical attention

*The Anime\(*^β^*)/ Ring (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 January 2025 19:59 (two days ago) link

It definitely didn't help to release it after the tour, which prematurely drew most of the attention.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 January 2025 20:00 (two days ago) link


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