The New Yorker's favorite records of 2002

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Beck, Sea Change
Solomon Burke, Don't Give Up On Me
Manu Chao, Radio Bemba Sound System
Missy Elliot, Under Construction
The Flaming Lips, Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
The Hives, Veni Vidi Vicious
N.E.R.D., In Search Of
Orchestra Baobab, Pirates Choice
Queens of the Stone Age, Songs for the Deaf
Sleater-Kinney, One Beat
Spoon, Kill the Moonlight
Wilco, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

http://www.newyorker.com/goingson/recordings/?030106gore_GOAT_recordings

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 2 January 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anyone still awake?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 2 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago) link

They wrote a big piece last year about how the Hives were the salvation of mankind, or somesuch. I don't really pay attention to their music coverage.

But that Annie Proulx story in last week's issue kicked my ass.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 2 January 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hope Alex in NYC didn't have much to do with those boring-ass blurbs.

hstencil, Thursday, 2 January 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ack. Well, i wrote the Queens of the Stone Age one, actualy, but suffice to say, it was *SAVAGELY* edited,....as always.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago) link

When I see that the New Yorker's list looks like this & am not surprised by it, I imagine that the depression I feel is very similar to the feeling that drives people to say mean things about Salon & NPR w/r/t their music coverage. A thousand metal records...they like Queens of the Stone Age. Sarah Dougher's "The Bluff" is grebt WA-indie, but they're stickin' with Sleater-Kinney. And "Sea Change"...ooh let's not wake up the Googlers. But it was such a dull, awful record. Because its dull awful songs got the Godrich treatment, it registers as "good depression album." Eeerrghhff.

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 3 January 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, JOhn, you have to realize who their readership is. This isn't a demographic of people who are going to go seek out the latest disc by High on Fire or Acid Ape. You want esoteric music writing? Seek out a periodical better suited to it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 01:32 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, and the New Yorker list has the same token-Latin records that made everyone's lists. The Orchestra Baobab record isn't even that good!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 3 January 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alex, I know -- I wasn't calling you out or anything. At the same time, QotSA are so terribly safe; people reading the magazine that originally published "For Esme, With Love & Squalor" oughta be able to handle High on Fire, or at least to engage with them. Which is the problem, really: the New Yorker & its various analogues don't ask their readers to engage, but to reflect on how pleasant their previous engagements were. It's like: OK, the Flaming Lips, sure they're fine & all...so how come none of mainstream fora that have rushed to praise The Soft Bulletin and Yoshimi took a perfect opportunity (i.e. the release of albums in a style they seem to like) to listen to the kind of things that the Flaming Lips might have looked to for inspiration, like say Wigwam or the Thirteenth Floor Elevators? Or a whole host of other interesting historical-footnote psych bands.

Again this is not a knock on you -- I'm the guy who's always defending NPR's safe-as-milk music choices, remember. It's just that the New Yorker's readership wasn't always perceived as a demographic so timid that the most challenging music they'd be thought capable of digesting would be Missy Elliot. At the very least I'd expect them not to call Sea Change good.

(in the final analysis this is mainly just leftover anti-Tina Brown rage, prob'ly)

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 3 January 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago) link

(in the final analysis this is mainly just leftover anti-Tina Brown rage, prob'ly)

Yeah, but Remnick kicks ass!

I think these choices are safe but not awful (though I don't like the Beck). Again, their audience probably has adventurous literary tastes but musically, goes for the Nonesuch-style of stuff (coffee-table releases, elaborate packaging, nice, digestable recordings of exotica/well-produced rock and pop).

To turn it around, I'm sure there are a lot of stonecold music snobs out there who haven't read anything other than A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius or Fast Food Nation in the past few months ...

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Friday, 3 January 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh is that you, Alex? Hilarious. I could tell tales out of school but that would be naughty.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 3 January 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago) link

"I could tell tales out of school but that would be naughty."

Wha?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago) link

oh for heavens sake, Alex, just email me.

/suzy

felicity (felicity), Friday, 3 January 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago) link

""the album is smart, subversive and seductive"

astonishing

ray, Friday, 3 January 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago) link

hopefully felicity meant "your writing is fucking horsepiss"

r, Friday, 3 January 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago) link

I know, Ray, I know. That was lifted out of context, however. Trust me. When I get home, I'll post the original text -- then feel free to chuck as many stones as ya want.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago) link

Up yerz, r.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago) link

good lord, I meant nothing like that.


felicity (felicity), Friday, 3 January 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago) link

Incidentally Alex you've got me there with Acid Ape - who are they?

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 3 January 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago) link


This is Acid Ape:

http://hem.bredband.net/vonaxe/images/01_jpg.jpg

Yet another stoner rock band. I first heard them on a mix tape a friend made me. Loud, raw, brutal, etc.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago) link

Acid Ape's website:

http://hem.bredband.net/vonaxe/

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alex you realize of course that had you somehow snuck the line "sorrowful Orestes' notorious fury" into the review you would have anagramatically said "honour the fire, you worthless fuX0rs" to people all around the world

minus the "x" of course so as not to give the game away

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Friday, 3 January 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Yes, and the New Yorker list has the same token-Latin records that made everyone's lists. The Orchestra Baobab record isn't even that good!"

I haven't actually heard the album, so I'm not disagreeing with you at all Jody, however my suspicion is that the reason Orchestre Baobab's NEW album (Specialist In All Styles) has been appearing on so many of these lists is because Pirate's Choice IS good (or at least superior) but is a re-release; so people couldn't vote for that one as a "Best Of 2002" but still wanted to include (as a you say) a token World Music album....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 3 January 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can't speak to Acid Ape, but I am a non-New Yorker who subscribes to the New Yorker, and I was frankly pleased to see that they at least made the effort and picked albums that didn't make me cringe (the way I do when daily critics pick, say, J. Lo's album for their year-enders in the name of "balance" and to prove they're not snobs). True, I don't read the mag for its music coverage. In fact, its track record with pop writing is pretty cringe-worthy considering the ink they've been spending on it of late (recent lowlights: Nick Hornsby's "I listened to Top 40 crap and survived" disgrace, the over-contextualized Jay-Z profile, the strangely boring and pointless Philip Gourevitch piece on James Brown, Bill Buford kissing Lucinda Williams' Dixie ass at length, etc.) But it was probably the most savvy thing, pop-wise, in the mag in some time (albeit relegated to the listings). It may not make many waves on the Upper West Side, but I, for one, noticed and appreciated the effort. After all, I woulda put several of the same albs on my own list.

Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 3 January 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago) link

God, I love the absurdity of the NERD choice. At least Missy engages in nonsensical verse (a tradition that spans the decades). Does the New Yorker audience really enjoy idiotic sex raps over minimal rap-rock beats? Aerosmith at least had witty sex raps over minimal rap-rock beats...and better guitar.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 3 January 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago) link

Not that it *REALLY* matters at this piont, but here's the QOTSA blurb I wrote for the New Yorker in its original entirety, rife with sweeping superlatives and righteously indignant hyperbole. Notice how the blurb that appeared in print is but a whispy shadow of its former, ridiculously overwritten self. Have at it, stone-throwers:

"Willfully against the grain as ever, the Queens of the Stone Age titled this loose concept album SONGS FOR THE DEAF as an ironic mission statement, for who was really going to hear it in a world ruled by homogenized teen pop and gormless rap-metal? Once lazily tagged the leaders of "stoner rock," this irreverent guitar-wielding collective shake off the tag on their third album, seamlessly fusing the brute force of heavy metal with the adrenalized velocity of Punk Rock via more hook-laden riffs than you can shake a fist at. While still centered around core duo of guitarist Josh Homme (ex-Kyuss) and bassist Nick Oliveri (ex-Dwarves), this incarnation of the Queens recruits ex-Screaming Trees vocalist Mark Lanegan and boasts a secret weapon in powerhouse drummer and erstwhile Foo Fighter Dave Grohl, reprising that role from his days in Nirvana. Between snippets of radio gibberish lampooning the staid state of today's top 40, SONGS FOR THE DEAF fluctuates between pummeling rock'n'roll wallop and sprawling narcotic psychedelia, yet never loses its melodic accessibility and stubborn pop undertow. Smart, seductive and subversive, SONGS FOR THE DEAF is inarguably the finest recorded document this year to legitimately dub itself a ROCK record."

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 January 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago) link

the bbc's world service poll of the top ten favorite songs of all time is a better list--

10) Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen

9) Chaiyya Chaiyya, A. R. Rahman

8) Believe, Cher

7) Reetu Haruma Timi, Arun Thapa

6) Ana wa Laila, Kazem al-Saher

5) Pooyum Nadakkuthu Pinchum Nadakkuthu, Thirumalai Chandran

4) Rakkamma Kaiya Thattu, Ilayaraja

3) Dil Dil Pakistan, Vital Signs

2) Vande Mataram, various artists

1) A Nation Once Again, The Wolfe Tones

keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 4 January 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago) link

An awful lot of Bollywood in there.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 4 January 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago) link

Way way way too much Cher, too.

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 4 January 2003 03:52 (twenty-two years ago) link

And, again, Ottawa classic rock listeners' choices for top 500 songs of all time.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 4 January 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago) link


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