i might be hanging out with courtney love

plus i want to pass some racebannon cds onto her. oh well, if it happens, i will tell everyone about it! her new single is genius...!!

I wanna know about Winona and K wants you to ask if she needs a bassist.

but it's funny -- i was thinking about gerard malanga walking around the factory with a boner when bob dylan was showing up for his screen test when i was asked this.

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Her voice is incredible. It's this great combination of teen-goth/teen-metal that's the very essence of hanging out at the Taco Bell on Halloween, writing suicide poetry in squiggly handwriting and picking at self-inflicted scars. And her lyrics are the same way -- even the "Malibu" stuff -- all that nonsense about "drowning" and "angels" is the epitome of ditzy self-serious teen-goth (and she's in her mid-thirties, which makes it even better). The way I see it, she just represents this character so perfectly -- and I don't care how in on the joke she is. It's a persona that's pretty unique among female celebrities, and I think it's really well-honed.

Plus, I like her as an actress -- I just saw her playing Joan Vollmer Burroughs in Beat and I thought she was very earthy and elegant. I wish she'd do more movies.

she isn't actually the utmost rock-pet-hate of mine (would make the lower digits of top 15, or thereabouts, but'd be the only femme in there) -- and i would like to hope that she's a better actor than singer -- the music she's been making invariably sounds merely mediocre rocka-rolla to me and the "persona", the way it's presented, seems, from here'n'afar, cluelessly fucked-up and ...downright disgusting, yes

as for hanging out at Taco Bell on Halloween & being a serious teen goth, honestly, surely *i* have no clue

Well, the whole thing about her being a starfucking opportunistic groupie. Men NEVER EVER get that, no matter who they sleep with on their way to the top.

Q: What do you call a musician without a girlfriend?

A: HOMELESS

And can think of tons of men from Albarn to Zappa who have dined at the top table in Alice's Restaurant without detection from the vast majority of music people. And you're forgetting about gay man dynamics too, where a young gay man trades on his youth in exchange for the older gay man's contacts and financial support.

Just from a sample of my acquaintances, which comprise people in music scenes in LA, Minneapolis, Olympia, Liverpool and London etc, CL has been accused of being a user with validity by people I like and trust, who'd never screw over anyone. I am however fascinated by her on a number of levels and she is clearly talented as an artist. But what I also must assert is that she has talents as a scene leech which are easily the equal of her art and intellectual abilities.

haha, in my dream the other night mark s was there talking about Playstation 2, the Strokes, and their respective relationships to iteration/repetition. I suspect mark has never played a PS2.

Just that recently I've been having these dreams lately where you appear to me in text form (contractions n all) and impart some insane-magic wisdom on me and when I wake up I'm extremely rueful* that I don't wake up and remember what you said so I can put them up on Sha!zam 'cos they're my own ("What does it matter who's talking?" - Beckett blah).

*like that time someone mentioned pop = unrest and I immediately thought pop = this sort of disruptive boredom with itself ie not-haha pop will eat itself ("[the band] for all it's [not-]worth: it contains one thing that travels: its title") and only to scroll down to see the fascista had already made my point ("What does it matter who's talking?" - d'oh fuckah!).

Note: I will read this in six months time and my face will go blotchy red, my heart will check a step, and I'll be quiet-annoying with my girlfriend all next-afternoon; I'll forget it next day.

The accusations of scenesterisms is old. Who has not slept or whored their way to the top? More importantly - why has Courtney has come to the top and more importantly stayed at the top? When others have failed? The exception being PJ Harvey?

And it's obvious that it's dwh = david howie; as it is one's choice to ape james joyce and rather badly. i suppose it's a way to create 'mystique'.

i'm looking forward to it. i enjoy the whole hollywood freakshow scene. i do. i mean - what propels these people? courtney could have stopped at olympia and become an inclusion in the world of k records, etc - but wanted, no, needed to go ahead.

what is the argument against courtney? i suppose what i'm looking for is validity - not simply wishing and washing accusations that can be leveled at well, any rock star (noel gallagher hooking up with any hot guitar act, goldie, the chemical brothers, albarn whoring up with anyone that will give him any sense of credibility.)

the only one that could have held a courtney mantle and have come from similar backgrounds would be justine frischmann ... but she sort of gave up, whilst courtney is still doing her beautiful self obsessed thing for the entertainment of the cultural masses.

with justine frischmann - she exhibited the same signs of courtneyism, minus the aspirations for hollywood iconography. why not the detailed discussions of why justine is crap? is it because justine lacks courtney's psyche homicidal artist shtick?

and suzy i'm going to get that bloody scarf!

she was rejected by the olympia scene as much as she rejected them, and kudos to her for it. i identify too strongly with her to discuss it with any degree of rationality. it's my own pattern- want to be part of a scene so badly, try so hard, be unable to *be* due to demons of unwantedness, get burned and burn through.

the courtney/justine paralells are interesting. perceptions of female artists and their relation to their male counterparts is one of my long-running bugbears. i respect justine for walking away, i respect courtney for staying on and continuing to fight for acceptance. i think the only other artist you can really compare her to is madonna - though madonna has chosen the field of pop, while courtney is going for the even harder to crack field of RAWK.

anyway... I'm being dragged into this and I don't want to be.

for a start, Justine sure WAS pilloried by the press around the time of the breakup with Damon (how dare she?) and the implosion of her band. Probably due - I'm theorising here, and psychologically dissecting someone I don't know - to the fact that she seems to come from a far more stable background, and does not have the overwhelming need for approval and acceptance that C.Love does. Justine has other areas to explore - last heard she was presenting architecture programmes - which are outside the harsh glare.

oh, and nicole is OTM there...

maybe justine quit because she saw what was going to happen. her life pulled apart and the accussation and mud thrown was going to be harder as she was a female rock star.

dunno?

pj harvey is interesting - though she is still very much seen as a 'cult artist' worldwide.

the courtney/madonna comparision is invalid because madonna is pop. a vehicle of music considered to be perfectly safe, etc, etc for females whilst rock'n'roll is very male dominated.

and it's pretty fantastic when you see what scenes courtney has been involved in - pre-THE QUEEN COURTNEY LOVE - liverpool, olympia, grunge, etc.

rock'n'roll would be interesting if justine started to compete again instead of being holed up in nottinghell.

the question being - is exactly why does any conversation of courtney love beg such hatred? is it because she is arguably the world's biggest female rock'n'roll star?

it is an interesting question to ponder?

i would suppose the only difference between justine and courtney would be the stablity. but both come from monied upper middle class backgrounds....

sorry - all of these are random thoughts..../

faced with the overwhelming societal bias against women in rawk, i would say jf's decision 2 get out = evidence of sanity while cl staying in = mad. in world of art, however, sane=safe and mad=genius.

why r creative women w/creative partners destroyed by relationships w/other artists? power balance, and public perception of power. why has pj harvey/nick cave thing not been brough up? pj much more private person...

Um, Doomie, J was Brett's university girlfriend - pre-band - and they are still good friends. Yeah, she left him for All-Bran but it's not as if All-Bran wasn't begging her to! People are writing like the men were, y'know, FORCED to take up with her (and FACT she didn't want to give birth to Damon Jr hence split). She is incredibly cultured, smart and funny and is generally there for friends. You'd like her. Courtney did.

(obv this is a classic thing to do)

last time i saw annie she was in brighton, pissed out of her skull with vomit on her....obviously, she is rock and roll!

Her legendary diarrhea of the mouth is well documented, both in the music press and on the Internet. This is a woman who alleged she had an attorney gathering postings on the Internet that did not cast her in a good light, openly threatening legal action. She referred to Krist Novoselic and Dave Grohl as "hired men", "sidemen", and repeated degraded their contributions to Nirvana and their relationship with her ex husband. She accused Grohl of being a substance abuser and said that's why her ex-bandmate broke up with him; she simultaneously sanctimoniously claimed to be clean when she made those statements but documents from the Winona Ryder trial assert that Ryder's doctor was providing C. Love with prescription painkillers without a prescription at the time. If anyone is wondering why Love inspires such polarity, they need to pull their head out of the sand. And it would be nice to see an interview where, for once, the person asking the questions gets to actually pin her down rather than let her ramble on and on and on. See her long interview with Jim De Rogatis (in the Chicago paper and in SPIN) for reference.

But what bothers me about Love is the way she bragged that she was going to take a stand and force a change in the way the music business works. She told The Los Angeles Times a few months prior to settling her lawsuit over the Nirvana catalog that she “could end up being the music industry's worst nightmare: a smart gal with a fat bank account who is unafraid to go down in flames fighting for a principle.” After reconciling with the label and surviving members of Nirvana, she then went on the Howard Stern show and Love told the radio host that she had made up with everyone, adding that “lots and lots and lots of money” was key to the new understanding. She rolled like they always do, and her mountains of press clippings prior to the settlement show how full of shit she was about actually doing anything.

What I'm really railing against here is the ridiculous 'you can ask her about this, but don't mention that unless she indicates it's cool' shit. This is obv not unique to Ms. Love and is no doubt typical of most *stars*. It's particularly stupid when their ego and status, as in her case, is so far removed from their actual achievements. I haven't seen her in films, but jesus the records are hopeless.

Anyway, why *might* you be hanging with her doom-e? To interview her? In which case you'll get your 20 minutes same as everybody else, so ask her what the hell you like.

Jody Beth - I'm not a misogynist. You're wrong.

http://www.undercover.com.au/20030106_courtneylove.html

Request for info -- I'm not sure what this metaphor means! I sorta get the sense of it and I know of the song, but I'm still bemused.

Though doubtless Justine's a worthy soul, can I just say that maybe one song aside I never liked Elastica in the slightest? Mind you, they weren't as bad as the band I REALLY hate from the UK in the mid-nineties. I give you Gene! And please, TAKE THEM AND KILL THEM.