Beck 'Sea Change' (thread #4, I believe)

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So he ain’t got no heart. BFD. Neither do I. Why are ppl tolerated if they’re deficient intellectually or technically, but crucified for having ‘no emotions’? Anyway, most people think that convincing themselves that there’s some ‘root cause’ (another idiotic nebulous catch-all) behind histrionic displays copied off TV actors = ‘having emotions’, and what’s that to brag about? (’But ‘music’ isn’t life, though. Emotions IRL may be the root of pointless attention-seeking and overbearing oppression-via-guilt/devious-camouflage-of-base-instincts, but in ‘music’ it’s kind of important!’) When somebody claims ‘x’ to be ‘important’, it means ‘I need ‘x’ to keep ME interested’. But who gives a fuck what ‘you’ like? Why are you under the illusion that your opinion has any worth whatever? (This goes for you, me, everybody, except maybe Summer Redstone). If you’re not interested in a ‘thing in itself’ then it means a) you’re really boring and self-obsessed, or b) you’re like the 99% of ppl who want attention and can’t do anything about it so you define yourself in opposition to some spurious target that, coincidentally, involves something superior to yourself that lots of ppl know about, conferring upon you the illusion that anything you say isn’t just empty drivel designed to get that “I FEEL therefore I am” humanoid pass. “Gee, there’s an item which is structurally complex enough to yield at least some analyses, but it caught me at a time when the orthodox response to my personal circumstance involves dismissing it out of hand, do I get to breed now?” Supposing for argument’s sake tho that ‘tunes’=’life’ – that still means that dismissing something for being ‘emotionless’ involves being prejudiced against anyone who’s emotionally ‘deficient’. But then, maybe ‘emotionless’ = ‘singing about stuff that I don’t care about in a way I can’t recognise’. (Dave fuckin’ Marsh lost all my respect for HIS Beck dismissal, something like “Aural montage, yawn, better when Zappa did it 30 years ago and it sucked then.” [Before writing anything about music ask yrself this question, “Would I mind terribly much if everything sounded the same all the time forever like if D Byrne’s ‘Heaven’ were about a club that only played B Adams’ ‘Heaven’? If you answered ‘yes’ then go into radio or left-wing politics or something else besides music writing”] Makes me want to send a letter to ‘R&RC’ – “Bruce Springsteen. Cultural-signifier-of-currency montage lyrics over anachronistic musical montage, yawn, better when the Stones did it 30 years ago and it sucked then – signed, Cranston Snord.” But that would be unethical, unless somebody else besides me wrote it.. (Hey didja know DM once referred to G Arnold as being ‘bad-to-the-bone’!]) ‘Aural montages’ are cool. “But he doesn’t do those anymore”. What do you think compiling a track with different sounds on it is called, you moron? Unfortunately these are different GTR sounds so it’s beyond the crit pale + Brit pale. Brits have always had a problem with these things (“Now there’s only two guitar sounds on record, the clean sound and dirty sound, I liked it better when there were all these credits like ‘sponge gtr’ and ‘neptune kelp harvest gtr’” – B Hanson) because a performance in real time is very difficult to duplicate and thus offends their tender egalitarian sensibilities. ClaptonBeckPage were studio hacks who needed a rocket up their ass from a black American and SabZep were acceptable because they were fat and decadent and braindead like the footy fans they were but when the Yanks took over from those globular slobs with stuff that was fun-&-fast! ‘punk’ was invented to ‘demystify the guitar’ (typical Brit official response, just erode the quality of something until it’s completely shit then say “Oh nobody wants it anymore”) and punk was deemed too elitist in ITS conceptual/cultural way so they started doing the entryist pop thing, but the US was always going to whip their ass on that one because there’s actual decent singers there, so after a brief dalliance with dance music which absolutely anybody with a pulse could do (and did, which fucked it) the utterly-crushed-but-still-in-need-of-further-annihilation Brits just threw their hands up and said “Let’s make the most utterly shit prefab pop of all time and celebrate our uselessness in our funny ironic fashion”, forgetting that by this time the rest of the world had long since ceased to care, which left them as they are, in a state of permanently self-devouring repressed homogeneity, exercising their morass of poses to an audience of nobody like a pensioner who continues to shit himself long after he’s been fitted with rubber underwear so even the nurses ignore him. See, despite rumours to the contrary (and I’d still consent to a romantic evening in an IDF helicopter strafing civilians w/ Anne Coulter but only if she gets a tit job first), postmod IS compatible with Manifest Destiny! Maybe France’s tho, because from an entirely random, biased and worthless anecdotal survey, the amount of records that sound like this one are multiplying at such a rate that by 2050 (I’ll be 84 by then so I won’t care) every single record in the world will sound like ‘Melodie Nelson’. HEAVEN!


dave q, Sunday, 5 January 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

(opt. punchline - "pls don't make me listen to the whole thing again right now tho, maybe some other time?')

dave q, Sunday, 5 January 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, who the fuck cares if he's a Scientologist? Religion is like drugs, should be tolerated only among the rich, creative or suicidal. That's SUICIDAL not HOMICIDAL, fuckfaces. Stick to going on chat shows and screaming "but..but...but..." while justifying shit. Oh, here we go, "But what about Xtians, they shoot abortion doctors & stuff." Yeah but they don't blow up shopping malls because some teenage Gap cashier had her insides Hoovered out once! Also remember its the USA and maybe the docs are rip-off merchants! Yo pregnoids, either fall down the stairs or only have sex with ppl who produce useless, drug-induced sperm-free discharges! Right now I'm standing in front of a microwave while tripping off my cool new toy (an X-Ray machine), can't wait to see what they say at the laundrette when they see THIS festering shit I bring in!

dave q, Sunday, 5 January 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I just finished listening to "Sea Change" moments ago. Has anyone pointed out the evolving album cover art? Every few weeks a new version comes out (we're on version 4 I believe) that features more swatches of color/squiggly lines obscuring his face. It's kind of creepy.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 5 January 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

woah tiger

ron (ron), Sunday, 5 January 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does that Wilco album(which I finally heard)remind me for some reason of the time when bands like the Association started to wear Nehru jackets? Does anyone in the U.S. even care about Beck anymore. Americans have more heart then that.(See:Wilco) I love aural montages.I have to listen to more Chemical Bros. albums.Beck reminds me of Sean Bonniwell or maybe Skip Prekop. No,wait,Beck reminds me of Sigmund Snopek the third. All of them heard sounds that needed to get out of their throats.Why don't people make fun of Kevin Shields more often. He eats to much pudding and hangs out with never-gonna-be-greats instead of bringing us to tears.Wilco make music for ambitious Dave Matthews fans.They should go back to their roots and make those completely avoidable Okie From Suburbia discs that nobody except ambitious Los Lobos fans would listen to.It's as if Jann Wenner had farted out a rock band to love and cherish cuz he was so sad that there were no more radical Long Ryders/Rank&File/Jason&TheScorchers/GreenOnRed/Bodeans album to listen to. Then he made them sound like Beck cuz Rob Sheffield made fun of his pants and he wanted to be down but not THAT down.The Notwist are better and betcha they have never even heard any of that stuff cuz they are lost in stinky Dutch cheese dreams and they don't even need to know what year it is. Wish I didn't.

Scott Seward, Sunday, 5 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(has this now transmuted, full throttle, into some fkn typical brit'-'merican ping-pongy sho'down-ah?)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 5 January 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Does anyone in the U.S. even care about Beck anymore.

Of course not! That's why his album didn't reach the Billboard top ten and almost everyone's year-end charts!

(DISCLAIMER: I only like three songs on Sea Change.)

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 5 January 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Er, I kinda liked Sea Change. I liked that it's, like, one unified whole, it seems like the first time Beck's really done that on an album. Even One Foot in the Grave was kinda disjointed.

I must say though, I'm rather looking forward to hearing his soon-to-come stuff that apparently Dan the Automator and Cornelius have a hand in.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Sunday, 5 January 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

x 'eats much pudding'.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 6 January 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

q, the problem is that these oddly and simply held opinions of no worth really are worthy. not coherent, and not something i'd want to spend my fridays listenign to, but it's those bizarre and unique, and hopelessly unjustifiable 'x' moments which are the spur to anything of interest. cf morrissey's bizarre antipathy to fucking, punk being jealous that is wasn't nearly as cool as freddie mercury in rhinestone.

there's a question - does good stuff ever come from owt but negative reactions to surrounding nonsense?

matthew james (matthew james), Monday, 6 January 2003 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Mellow Gold, maybe (if drunken meth-head neighbors and shitty jobs = surrounding nonsense)

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Monday, 6 January 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

twenty-one years pass...

Why does that Wilco album(which I finally heard)remind me for some reason of the time when bands like the Association started to wear Nehru jackets? Does anyone in the U.S. even care about Beck anymore. Americans have more heart then that.(See:Wilco) I love aural montages.I have to listen to more Chemical Bros. albums.Beck reminds me of Sean Bonniwell or maybe Skip Prekop. No,wait,Beck reminds me of Sigmund Snopek the third. All of them heard sounds that needed to get out of their throats.Why don't people make fun of Kevin Shields more often. He eats to much pudding and hangs out with never-gonna-be-greats instead of bringing us to tears.Wilco make music for ambitious Dave Matthews fans.They should go back to their roots and make those completely avoidable Okie From Suburbia discs that nobody except ambitious Los Lobos fans would listen to.It's as if Jann Wenner had farted out a rock band to love and cherish cuz he was so sad that there were no more radical Long Ryders/Rank&File/Jason&TheScorchers/GreenOnRed/Bodeans album to listen to. Then he made them sound like Beck cuz Rob Sheffield made fun of his pants and he wanted to be down but not THAT down.The Notwist are better and betcha they have never even heard any of that stuff cuz they are lost in stinky Dutch cheese dreams and they don't even need to know what year it is. Wish I didn't.
― Scott Seward, Sunday, January 5, 2003 7:43 PM

scott seward, Sunday, 18 August 2024 16:16 (one year ago)

hahaha i would get sooo drunk....

scott seward, Sunday, 18 August 2024 16:17 (one year ago)

lol same. still dislike this album

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 18 August 2024 18:00 (one year ago)


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