Pop Will Eat Itself (not what you think)

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IIRC, Black Country fraggles PWEI took their name from a review of Jamie Wednesday, Fruitbat's pre-Carter USM band. I seem to recall thinking this was a brilliantly oblique way to choose your band name.

This got me thinking about band names in general and how they're chosen. I've always thought bands naming themselves after an obscure record by a band they love, as flippin' loads of them do, is a bit tragic and obvious (Starsailor, anyone?), unless the band sounds absolutely nothing whatsoever like their name might imply (uh, hello, Starsailor?).

But, I've always loved the idea that bands can align themselves with some sort of nebulous "movement" just by chosing a certain sort of name: all the "The So-and-sos" hanging around a scummy pub near you right now, for example, or the early '90s penchant for four-letter names (Blur, Ride, Lush) and, oddly, a predilection cows (Milk, Cud, er, Inspiral Carpets).

And, lest we forget my favourite, the whole "stuff clothes are made of" genre: Suede, Felt/Denim, Corduroy et al.

Literature (The Divine Comedy) and films (uh, Three Colours Red, Delicatessen, Kenickie etc) have obviously also been plundered heartily.

So...thoughts on this? Does the classic fanzine question "where did you get your name" really provide any relevant responses? Have you ever gone off a band when you discovered the motivation behind their name? And by the same token, has your discovery that a band you don't know much about named themselves after something extremely cool, ever made you prick up your ears and have a listen?

I'm currently frustrated that I can't find out where my new favourite band prol-tung got their name, almost to the extent that it mars the listening experience by getting in the way in my head..."y'know, "The Alchemist" is a fab tune, but...aaaargh! Where did they get their name?" NB. This might just make me a sad git, in which case fair enough.

So...names. Why? Favourite explanations? Most half-arsed attempts at cred-grabbing? Does it really matter? Answers on a postcard...

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 6 January 2003 06:45 (twenty-two years ago) link

Er, Starsailor is obviously not an obscure record, but that makes it worse, y'know? It's like Oasis's "Wonderwall"/Harrison thing, just lazy and trite. Gah.

Oh, and my favourite, for the record, is either Pulp (Arabacus Pulp, some kind of commodity on the stock market apparently) or Pixies (picked at random from a dictionary by Joey Santiago, as I recall).

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 6 January 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago) link

If a band was to ever call themselves Withnail, I would piss on their graves

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 6 January 2003 10:49 (twenty-two years ago) link

Deacon Blue is from a song by Steely Dan, which would be a bit boring anyway, even if Steely Dan weren't named after a dildo from William Burroughs.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 6 January 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago) link

If a band was to ever call themselves Withnail, I would piss on their graves

Exactly! But why is that? It's not like it isn't a good film, but to align yr band with it (and the adherent lifestyle) seems horribly, punchably desperate.

Likewise, the appearance of Hepburn and, to a letter extent, The Drowners, made me reach for the keys to the gun cabinet...Steely Dan, somehow, isn't offensive at all...perhaps just obscure/cred/initially incomprehensible enough for it not to grate.

I await with interest the appearance of Strummer (Louis Walsh's answer to Deep Blue Something) and Turquoise Hexagon Sun (anonymous indie drummer goes glitch with hilarious consequences).

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 6 January 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago) link

There is a band in Glasgow called Ashton Lane. Ashton Lane is a trendy road with bars and cafés on. This is a v.bad choice of name for similar reasons as Starsailor and the imaginary Withnail. I realise I'm not answering your question.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 6 January 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's a local band here in NYC called the TURBO AC's, which -- I believe -- is an intended reference to a gang in the film, "The Warriors." *HOWEVER*, unless I'm totally mistaken, the gang in the film in question is actually called the TURNBULL AC's, not "Turbo". I find that so irritating. I mean, if you're going to make what you probably consider to be an esoteric allusion to a film, at least get your facts fuckin' right. Grrrrr.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 6 January 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago) link

Westlife were named after an obscure irish art house movie that, not surprisingly, looked life in the west of Ireland

Who would have thought it?

sonicred (sonicred), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago) link

Although, terrible pop fans, they were originally called Westside but had to change their name due to the prior existence of such a band...

Next up, Howard Donald reveals he coined the name Take That after watching Umberto Eco's "Accidental Death Of An Anarchist"...

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've never been in a band that had a name that meant anything at all. Bands get named the only thing that all the members could agree on. The only band I was ever in that had a halfway decent story behind their name was Johnny Chan and the New Dynasty Six, and I found out later that the story was totally made up - the New Dynasty was the name of the Chinese restaurant in Chinatown that the singer used to live above or something random like that.

That's my experience, therefore the only thought I give a band name is "Oh, that sounds good" or "Oh, that sounds crap" because that's usually the level of thought that the band themselves have given it.

We'll see if I really do end up calling my next band "The Phantom Phingertip" after all.

kate, Tuesday, 7 January 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago) link

Umberto Eco's "Accidental Death Of An Anarchist"...
Shouldn't that be Dario Fo's "Accidental Death of An Anarchist..." if you're speaking of the play of course.

T. Weiss (Timmy), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago) link

shit. shitshitshit what am i thinking of? the fool i am...for shame.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago) link

Naturally, that was Howard from Take That's fault and not mine ;-)

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago) link

I used to live on a street called Astro Drive. A kid up the street had a band called, umm, Astro Drive. Nearly a decade later I'm still appalled.

I've never been fond of the b-movie titles, especially budget horror films (e.g. My Bloody Valentine, 10,000 Maniacs). I would say I wasn't fond of the mid-90s alterna-rock "common household items likely to be found in kitchens" trend (Sugar, Flour, Ammonia, Spoon) but it's incredibly fun to make jokes about, so it's served a purpose. The last time I tried to make a joke about this somewhere on ILE my parody example turned out to be an actual mid-90s alterna-rock band.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 03:52 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bands I've been in have been named after: (a) nothing in particular, though it was called Ride up until we heard of the actual Ride; (b) the bass player's pick for the second least appealing word in the dictionary after "thwart"; (c) some toys; (c) the street a particular girl lived on; (d) a not-really-obscure Stereolab song; and now (e) I can't remember.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago) link

i have a terrible time not naming my bands after song titles. Names that I have used and/or considered have been named after songs by Swirlies, Galaxie 500 (of course), Mogwai, Black Tambourine and Broadcast. I have also used the name of an obscure cartoon character and a random word out of the dictionary.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago) link

When I have a band, it will be called the Narcoleptic Dogs.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ha, four of Jim's bands should have been Two Girls Kissing, the Kings of Spain, Throw Aggi From the Bridge, and the Book Lovers.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago) link

The best band name ever would ofcourse be Asskickers Of The Fantastic, which is also the name of some weird comic or something. I read it in a book Emma got me for Chrimbo.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago) link

When I was in a band I discovered that ALL the decent names are taken already. You would not beleive the number of bands called Cinnamon.

Still the bass player had previously been in a band that were forced to call themselves the Swords Charlie Don't Surf as they were from Swords and there were at least 2 other bands in Dublin called Charlie Don't Surf.

Still I never found another Flying Paxo Twins, because obviously its a crap name.

tigerclawskank, Tuesday, 7 January 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's just one too many bands referencing the Illuminatus! trilogy. Off the top of my head:
the KLF
Dillinger Escape Plan
Mary Lou Servix

errr... there are LOADS more but I can't remember them off my head...

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago) link

Duran Duran -- named after the individual sought by the voluptious protagonist in Jane Fonda's breakout film, "Barbarella, Queen of the Galaxy"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago) link

Matmos is after the Matmos in the same film . . .

locus solus, Tuesday, 7 January 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ha, four of Jim's bands should have been Two Girls Kissing, the Kings of Spain, Throw Aggi From the Bridge, and the Book Lovers

you actually got one of those right.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 21:16 (twenty-two years ago) link

Marillion, embarassingly enough, take their name from J.R.R. Tolkien's "SILmarillion." A shame, that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 21:17 (twenty-two years ago) link

Which, Jim -- the Book Lovers? I know the G500 one was Tugboat ...

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago) link

Let's see ... Black Car and Sounds of Sebring?

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago) link

Echo's Answer, Sterling Moss, and Pam's Tan?

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's just one too many bands referencing the Illuminatus! trilogy. Off the top of my head:
the KLF
Dillinger Escape Plan
Mary Lou Servix

See, those are all great names! But maybe if I had a clue what the Illuminatus! trilogy was, I might not think so...argh, it's so complex!

nb I always thought KLF stood for Kings of Low Frequency? Or was that another Drummond/Cauty pisstake on LFO's po-facedness or something..?

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago) link

(anyone making Lyte Funky Ones gags gets a slap)

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can't remember the name of the first band I was in. Damn. I can't even blame it on drugs. The second and third had appropriately generic indie band names as we effortlessly slid off the back of various waves. The last one was named after an episode of Blake's 7.

Read Illuminatus. Everybody should.

Zora (Zora), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago) link

so...it's a book then? really, i know nothing.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago) link

I would say I wasn't fond of the mid-90s alterna-rock "common household items likely to be found in kitchens" trend (Sugar, Flour, Ammonia, Spoon)
Actually, Spoon is named after the great Can song.

T. Weiss (Timmy), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago) link

KLF stood for Kopyrite Liberation Front, right?

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, The Mooney Suzuki are a Can reference. Too bad they suck; their name inspired me to give them a try. "Well, if they have good taste, they might be cool!" Um.. no.

Sonic Youth is a really terrible band name when you stop to think about it.

I think Yaphet Kotto is an awesome band name, especially since most fans of the band probably don't know its origins. Naming your punk band after politicians, though, is a quick way to make me hate you. (Dead Kennedys being an exception, mostly because they were one of the bands that got me into punk in the first place. If I had never heard of them until this very moment, I would probably shun them for having such a shite name.)

Ian Johnson, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Dismemberment Plan (I am fairly sure) are named from Groundhog Day - the insurance he buys from, uh, the insurance guy includes "optional death & dismemberment plan".

Ess Kay (esskay), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Dismemberment Plan (I am fairly sure) are named from Groundhog Day - the insurance he buys from, uh, the insurance guy includes "optional death & dismemberment plan".

Sadly, 'death & dismemberment' insurance isn't uncommon in real life; my old high school actually sent home forms to our parents so they would be insured if we were dismembered or killed in school. You actually receive more money if you lose all of your limbs than if you die. I wonder what quadraplegics think of that... being considered worse off than a dead man.

ian johnson, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago) link

KLF stood for Kopyrite Liberation Front, right?

the more i think about it, i'm sure KLF meant tons of things, much like EMF was open to interpretation. I like bands who use acronyms but won't disclose what they stand for, it's FUN.

Bus as an aside, I thought Bentley Rhythm Ace was a great name til I noticed its acronym...idiots.

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nothing wrong with Bra's. Girls and Guys both love 'em.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago) link

My college band was called "Solid State Marty," after a Bukowkski poem. A band we used to know was called "Z Big New", after Jimmy Carter's principal foreign policy advisor and the director of the trilateral commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski.

J (Jay), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago) link

Echo's Answer, Sterling Moss, and Pam's Tan?

I really rather like Pam's Tan as a name, but it was in fact, as you mentioned, Black Car. The others were Upstairs and The Book Lovers (although Accidentals was also considered)..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 03:13 (twenty-two years ago) link

My college band was called "Solid State Marty," after a Bukowkski poem.

This reminds me, Hot Water Music were named after the Bukowski book.

Ian Johnson, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've never heard Starsailor, but it's a Tim Buckley LP title, right? I think that *is* fairly obscure....

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago) link

not when their sound, such as it is, is so deeply in hock to Buckley and son.

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always wanted to call my band either "Gogenim" (a word I made up with no meaning) or "The Uncanny Doctor Phantom" (referring to a non-existant pulp magazine character that I also made up).

Chriddof (Chriddof), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm amazed nobody's called their band Coprolaliac yet...c'mon kids, sort it out!

Charlie (Charlie), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gerty Farish is a good one-- I approve of bands naming themselves after characters from E. Wharton novels.

I quite dislike the "twee" band names, Talulah Gosh and Field Mice and Another Sunny Day. But they absolutely serve their purpose, which is to attract certain people and repel others. They reveal something of the contours of the genre and its limitations.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Tim Buckley thing IS obscure to Starsailor's target audience.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago) link

Despite being named after a Killing Joke song, Love Like Blood are completely and utter kack.

Godflesh, simillarly, used to call themselevs Fall of Because, also a Killing Joke song (and originally an allusion to Aleister Crowley's writings, I do believe.)

Sisters of Mercy, according to Baron Andrew Von Eldritch, was not named after the order of cut-the-crap nuns as one might immediately suspect, but rather from the title of a Leonard Cohen song about prostitutes.

Cringe-worthy industrial goons, Spahn Ranch, are named after a one-time Manson Family compound, which they probably learned from Vince Bugliosi's book, "Helter Skelter."

Equally cringe-worthy, bald, meatnecked nu-metal band, Mad Parade, take their name from a line in the Pistols' "God Save the Queen."

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bus as an aside, I thought Bentley Rhythm Ace was a great name til I noticed its acronym...idiots.

Bentley Rhythm Ace are named after the Bentley 'Rhythm Ace' drum machine...

michael (michael), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago) link

This thread has turned out to be about Pop Will Eat Itself after all. I want my money back.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like a lot of the two word names with the second name being a kind of synonym of band or group. Like the Human League, Joy Division. Even the Style Council.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago) link


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