Teen-Pop Politics (and Wham!)

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As is well established round here*, Wham!'s first two singles ("Wham Rap!" and "Young Guns (Go For It)" are politicised and bold and were also very successful, setting the band up for a lucrative teen-pop career and George Michael for enduring stardom. Are any current pop acts similarly political and if so how? If not, why not - given that Wham!'s stuff was successful, after all? And what could or should pop stars be singing about today?

*if you've forgotten - the first was a celebration of "soul boy"/"dole boy" culture, where Wham! reject any jobs they're offered in favour of slacing and partying; the second was a rejection of settling down and an attack on contemporaries who did - a pretty standard rock theme but unusual for hunky boy popsters.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

does "feminist"/sexual politics count?

zebedee, Thursday, 9 January 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I think it does - that's where I'd look anyway - but what examples would you use?

Was there any 'outcry' about Wham! at the time btw?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i would LOVE to see that political streak in pop more today - its amazing to look back on stuff like 'Wham Rap' now when you look at how the range of themes addressed in all the pop in the charts now seems to consist only of very basic statements about love, sex and the power of music...please do point out examples of great recent pop songs that are about something OTHER than any of those three things - i know 'Wham Rap' and 'Young Guns' are really just about celebrating hedonism, tho not as much as 'Club Tropicana' obviously because they do actually mention 'the dole' and stuff - the only other act doing that in the charts these days is The Streets!

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

then again, there was SO MUCH politically-driven pop in the early 80s, from Nena to The Specials to er, Spandau Ballet (well maybe) - they all sold bucketloads so the question is when did socially/politically conscious lyrics in pop become unfashionable?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I was listening to Spandau Ballet last night and was a bit concerned over the uh 'political drive' of "Musclebound".

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"so trooooo, funny how it seeeeeeems how the machincations of capitalism are oiled by the blood of the workerrrrrrs"

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It's been a fantasy of mine for a while to put together a boy band with extremely politicised lyrics. I did a demo of a track called "Tax the Rich" which was pretty silly.

"Girl I wanna hold you like the first world holds down the third with its jackboot of capitalism (Tax the Rich)" etc. over a bland ballad backing.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 9 January 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

If you believe the personal is political, than the new albums by the Donnas and Good Charlotte create (or at least perfect) some great modern youth archetypes (sexually confident and nice-guy single-parent family punk, respectively)...and they're certainly teen-pop of a fashion.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

In the pub we hit on Craig David as the answer to this. Sort of.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 10 January 2003 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Are any current pop acts similarly political and if so how?

I don't think it's possible for pop acts in 2003 to be as political as they were 20 years ago, for the simple reason that any act currently charting, who could conceivably be compared with Wham!, is extremely unlikely to have a hand in writing the lyrics.

Mind you, if Robbie put his mind to it and stopped thinking about his dick for a second, he could conceivably add some political spice to his tunes. But for most of 'em? Naaah, it's out of their hands.

The other thing is, the UK political landscape is now such that there are no polar opposites anymore, just a weird gloopy right of-left-of-centre sea of grey - and who rails against grey? Maybe someone'll show up in the US to give it a pop shot.

Meanwhile, over to you, girls:

I'm in serious shit, I feel totally like lost
If I'm asking for help it's only because
Being with you, has opened my eyes
Could I ever believe such a perfect surprise?

Now THAT's politics!

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 10 January 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, and Tom, I actually think the two Wham! songs you cite are more social comment/rejection of societal expectations than actual political soap-boxing. For what it's worth.

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 10 January 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

social comment/rejection of societal expectations than actual political soap-boxing.

The difference being how you like your eggs.

Tom Millar (Millar), Friday, 10 January 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, maybe pop would be more political if they brought back the black bold arial font shirts that said, "PRO CHOICE" only to have Britney Spears rip off the entire thing by having one that just says Britney.

The face of politics looks really grim when it comes to mainstream music. And especially with pop groups. Good Charlotte says the mayor of dc is on crack, and thats about as much politics as radio can stomach, and i can stomach in that form. Hip Hop seems to be the only music right now that is bringing politics into the forefront.

mallory bourgeois (painter man), Friday, 10 January 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Hip Hop seems to be the only music right now that is bringing politics into the forefront.


About time we made Mike Ladd into a global superstar then!

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 10 January 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

TROLL FOLLOWS

Hip Hop seems to be the only music right now that is bringing politics into the forefront.

As in the politics of getting rich off emasculated, disenfranchised youth, and then bragging about it as if it took some kind of fucking genius to figure out how to talk fast about yourself over an eight bar loop for five minutes? Or were you talking about the politics of enjoying sex and liquor in fantastic amounts while driving enormously wasteful luxury vehicles through town after having your teeth replaced with gold and precious stones?

/TROLL

Of course if we're discussing Mr. Lif, the Coup, et al. then I see exactly what you mean. I just had to get that off my chest.

Tom Millar (Millar), Friday, 10 January 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Naw, I was spitting my favs produced by my boos at rockafella reckahs, my driz bunch up at death row, and a holla out to cash money who gave me dis blinging chain.

What do you think I was talking about, seriously? I was referring to underground hip hop that occasionally breaks and makes it on a billboard chart lists. What you were referring to is NOT hip hop, it's an insult that blatant rappers like Lil Big Joe Wayne or whatever are calling themselves hip hop artists. I think I feel a rant coming on, I'll refrain.

mallory bourgeois (painter man), Friday, 10 January 2003 02:06 (twenty-two years ago)

City High - "What Would You Do?" is about a woman who becomes a prostitute so she can feed her starving children--lyrics

Curtis Stephens, Friday, 10 January 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

That song is actually really good. Should I be admitting this?

mallory bourgeois (painter man), Friday, 10 January 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I certainly don't care, I'm not a fan of the song myself ^_^

Curtis Stephens, Friday, 10 January 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

charming.

mallory bourgeois (painter man), Friday, 10 January 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Charlotte says the mayor of dc is on crack

Outdated politics don't reflect well on a musician. (Anthony Williams is so bland that he's obviously not on anything.)

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 10 January 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

While we're on the subject, the sociopolitical message of TLC's "Waterfalls" is often overlooked. But that was 1996.

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 10 January 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, "Still Fly" by Lil Wayne and the Big Tymers is totally Wham Rap! pt. XXV.

Golden anti-bling and satire while still flaunting the good gettin's of young, dumb, and nothin' to do.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 January 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

the politics of enjoying sex and liquor in fantastic amounts while driving enormously wasteful luxury vehicles through town after having your teeth replaced with gold and precious stones? yeah have fun with your mr lif cd you dicksmack!!

()()(, Friday, 10 January 2003 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom, didn't you read the fucking handbook?

Clarke B., Friday, 10 January 2003 06:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Ms Dynamite surely?

alext (alext), Friday, 10 January 2003 10:33 (twenty-two years ago)

the idea that something "can't be political bcz someone else writes the words" seems to me pretty much exactly why discussion of politics and music is always so disastrously confused: *all* music is an intituive declaration about the nature of community, what works, what doesn't, why this relationship is better than that, and if you just exclude exploiration of these arguments about community — arguments by example, arguments elaborated out of the subconscious, rather than arguments by articulate sentence and paragraph — from the discussion from the get-go, then you end up with clouds of dumb-ass piffle basically (cf most of those joe strummer obits...)

pop-songs are not newspaper editorials: their energies and beliefs and stances and hopes and sadnesses are expressed MUSICALLY not journalistically => which means BY DEFINITION not at the "forefront"

most of the demand for More Politics in Music bespeaks a tremendous hostility towards and suspicion about what music actually is... I'd actually argue that there's FAR more subcutaneous radical attitude sedimented into chart music today, at a sub-sonconcious level, than there was in the 70s and 80s, and until the politically literate address THIS level of expression coherently, and begin to imagine liberating and transforming these energies, rather than suppressing them, they're effectively calling for the silencing of music in favour of pamphleteering, and the (continued) dominance of the Empire of Words and the status quo (of course a lot of radical posturing DOES prefer the status quo, because it looks more exciting and daring and different and lonely and heroic that way...)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 10 January 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

eg "can't be political bcz someone else writes the words" = an argument against joining ANY political party or movement started by someone other than yrself (unless i guess you intend to seize control of it and reconfigure its entire ethos)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 10 January 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

amurkin radical individualism is one of the most fully articulated ideologies of capital, in that it erects above itself a full formed philisophical complex.

i was just thinking this the other day. brought on by, uh, levi-straus' Structural Anthropology I think.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 January 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently large bold letters are invisible to some people

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)


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