The Same Deep Water As You

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How close is this to being the most richly moving thing the Cure ever produced?

― the pinefox, Friday, 10 January 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Very. Though it was better live.

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Friday, 10 January 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

close in a top 10 kinda range, but not exactly top spot. it's easy to get caught up in the song, but when the song is over I often regret having fallen for such blatant sentimentalist drama...
it works well in the context of the album tho, which by being so consistent in mood puts u and keep u in the proper frame of mind for songs like that..

most 'richly moving' cure track would be 'homesick' for me right now. 'siamese twins' is a pretty strong contender too

― Fabrice Terrac (Fabfunk), Friday, 10 January 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

YAY three of my favorite Cure songs of all time mentioned within the first three posts!

The second half of _Disintegration_ (beginning with "Prayers For Rain") is what really makes the album shine. "The Same Deep Water As You" is the cornerstone of this, I think. (Really, it's the "Prayers"/"Water"/"Disintegration" triumverate, possibly the most perfect sequence of songs in their catalogue.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I heart Dan. So I won't add much else, except to say my visual impression of the sequence was always like such -- "Prayers," a moonlit, windswept, bone-dry desert, "Same," the deepest, darkest depths of the ocean, "Disintegration," a shadowed house collapsing. Luv it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Too bad Dan is already married...

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Re. Ned: and 'homesick' the long car-ride away from the collapsed house..
while Untitled, the epilogue, sees Bob sitting next to the old chimney finally closing the book of memories..

― Fabrice Terrac (Fabfunk), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(Reason for thread: I found 'Homesick' in my head earlier today, so dug out the tape, which was halfway through 'Prayers for Rain'. I never even got beyond the title track. But each individual track on that side is so compelling, you kind of forget what the others sound like and how good they are. So, 'Deep Water' seemed to demand a discussion, or tribute.)

Many years ago, I found this side harder to get into, and was probably suspicious of 'Deep Water''s apparent longeurs. But by now the sequence, as Perry says, seems as rich as anything they put ever out. 'Deep Water' itself feels to me like an attempt to take that LP to the limit - to realize the essence of Disintegration, however melancholy it will be, however many times the lead guitar phrase needs to circle before dying out, however many rain FX it takes. I guess the interplay between that repeated lead guitar phrase and the shifting keyboards is at the heart of it.

Difficult to convey, here, how finely and fully realized I find the whole thing. At the end of the day, I even prefer 'Homesick' to all the others. Some bonus track.

― the pinefox, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

The second half of _Disintegration_ (beginning with "Prayers For Rain") is what really makes the album shine.
< CHUCK D VOICE >"Yeah, B Side Wins AGAIN!"< CHUCK D VOICE >

Hey, theres Goth Pop, Goth Rock, Goth Metal and Gothtronica...why is there no Goth Rap?
(Facetious question. Do not answer.)

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Too bad Dan is already married...

In his deepest heart Dan knows Joei is a stand-in for the true passion we have for each other. Except this might be a lie.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll answer anyway..
Goth Rap: you could check out this German guy, Tomas D.
also, Terranova has this track based on the Bela Lugosi bassline + samples on their last album..

― Fabrice Terrac (Fabfunk), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate to disagree with both Dan and Ned (I don't think this has happened very often) but I really can't stand "Disintegration". His singing - ugh! - it's just too much for him. The bassline also sounds very square and ugly. Everything else on the album is pretty fantastic too, so just that one song mars it. (I would agree with Ned's descriptions on all three songs, but that the Disintegration one isn't positive for me.)

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Robert's singing on "Disintegration" is TOTALLY what makes that song work! He starts out pretty much together and gets progressively manic and agitated as the song goes on until he's screaming at the end of the third verse, then he's moaning about the wreckage in the coda. It's BRILLIANT!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I like your description of the concept way more than the song itself.

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

it is perfect. too bad tsdway isn't on entreat.

― kephm, Friday, 10 January 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I always assumed that Robert Smith's ~~abysmal warbling~~ singing would be like nails on a chalkboard to a classically-trained singer. It surprises me to hear that you like it, Dan. Do you think that Smith is actually a good singer?

― o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 January 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh heh heh. Prepare to lose a lot of preconceptions, O. Nate. Especially when Dan tells you about how enthralled he is by Robert's ability to hold a note on the live version of "Prayers For Rain" on Entreat...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 January 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

A lovely, heart-rending track to be sure, but it's so hard to distinguish tracks on that album, as they all seem to bleed messily into one another (like a blotchy, water-colour painting of something sad), the possible exception being "Lovesong," which ups the tempo (though not the melancholly). The live reading of "Pictures of You" from ENTREAT, however, remains my personal fave.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

In terms of "richly moving," I think I'd still opt for the pure melancholly pop perfection of "A Night Like This".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, theres Goth Pop, Goth Rock, Goth Metal and Gothtronica...why is there no Goth Rap?
(Facetious question. Do not answer.)

fuck that for a game of chess. what about Gravediggaz? or Tricky? or...er...Adam F? Yeah I know it's not him, but there's a certain gothic quality there. Tatu, perhaps (having not even heard it)?

― Charlie (Charlie), Saturday, 11 January 2003 08:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Disintegration = best sex album evah?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 11 January 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think DISINTEGRATION's a bit too depressing to be a "best sex album evah," unless of course you're having "conjoining for the last time before we leave on two different planes pointed in diametrically opposite directions bound for entirely distant continents on polar ends of the globe" sorta sex.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear ya, Alex. It is a singular album, and prolly my favorite Cure cd, All I'm sayin is good sex= distintegration. yes!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The way that PF comes up with a thread on a track from Disintegration once a year = classic.

The track itself = dud.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You hurt me in my heart.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 January 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

And for that I am very sorry, Ned ;)

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 12 January 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, he is. He's not a trained singer (his vowels in particular need some serious work) but in terms of using what you have and what you know, he's fantastic. He's got the breath support going, he switches registers, he does cool things with his voice to bring out little things in various songs, and most importantly he's been singing for upwards of 35 years and hasn't destroyed his voice; if anything, he's gotten better as time has gone on. (Similar can be said for David Gahan and Martin Gore, but they started out from a higher level than Robert Smith.)

There are songs where Robert's intonation completely ruins it for me ("A Thousand Hours" leaps to mind), but there are very few. In most cases, the backing music is so fantastic (and he matches the mood of the song so well) that I don't notice the "wrong" things with his singing (in fact, I'd say that it would be more wrong if he didn't do them).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 12 January 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

And for that I am very sorry, Ned ;)

I DOUBT. *cries* ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 January 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

eight years pass...

sometimes this is my favorite song in the world

― Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:14 (fourteen years ago)

otm.

It hardly needs to be said, but THIS FUCKING ALBUM. Even "Love Song" finally clicked for me this year.

― wewetyourpants.com (rip van wanko), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:27 (fourteen years ago)

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