Real House Vs Fun House

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So what is the difference? I always feel that "Real" house is meant to be Derrick Carter/DJ Sneak/Derrick May/Freeform 5 etc etc and I guess I'd consider the likes of Jon Carter/Fatboy Slim/Justin Robertson/Jacques Lu Cont/Basement Jaxx to be "fun" stuff. Which do you prefer? What's the difference do you think? I ask cos I've seen hardly any of the real house dudes though I'd like to see them sometime, it's just they seldom tour. I guess the "fun" guys are the ones you can rely on to play whatever is big at a given time aswell as do their own thing. But I often think the boundaries which arise aren't really very helpful and one thing being seen as commercial or superstar dj and another as organic and slick is just snobbery and a bit silly. Having said that I'm sure Derrick Carter et al have something to offer which the others don't. and vice versa obv.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

To anyone who thought this thread was about the Stooges, hahahahhahahahahahahaahha.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

SCOOTER!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Fatboy Slim is house? Or fun, for that matter?

― hstencil, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

jesus ronan, this is an impossible question to answer unless you're terry farley.

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

terry farley to thread.

hstencil thanks for your excellent post, I always love reading the reams of insightful contributions you've made to dance music threads around here and this is no exception

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Although hstencil's comment brings me to the other point of the thread, dance snobbery, HOW FAR DO YOU GO? Me I'm just a trance/scooter hater. Still though "cheesey" in dance is as massive as "sellout" in punk, so much fear and paranoia there.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I've just never heard anyone refer to Fatboy Slim as "house," and from what I've heard of his music, it doesn't sound like house to me either (not that I'm Ronan "Dance Music Expert" Fitzgerald or anything).

― hstencil, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah well you are incorrect, where there might be some debate about his latest work being house, there is no question that the man is a house DJ. I don't really want to have an argument about it but if you weren't so snarky about being wrong I wouldn't have been so snarky about being right.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"cheesey" is may pet hate critical term, it means nothing. i think it's easier to be a snob in dance music than virtually any other form of music. not sure what i mean by that, let me have a think.

scooter are grebt, ronan.

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow! It's never a distinction I've seen expressed in those terms before. Having said that I've seen Derrick Carter, Sneak and Derrick May many times (although the first two not that recently) and they definitely have lots to offer. I guess it is kind of muso in its way because they tend to play long sets with lots of repeating themes and a fairly constant level throughout - not the big builds and breakdowns that you get over the course of most UK house DJ's sets. It's a warmer, more organic feel and kind of more heads down and sweaty - stuff for people who're really into house music and want to give the DJ a chance.

So, yeah, for music snobs. But enjoyable.

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

the definition of "house" is virtually impossible these days (unless you're terry farley) and it *is* possible to take issue with calling fatboy slim a "house dj" even though he drops house tunes (whatever the fuck they are - see i told you this was impossible to answer).

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

What the fuck? I'm just saying I've never seen him referred to as house or heard anything by him that sounds like house to me. Okay, so I made a joke out of it at first, but still ask most anybody and they'd say his stuff is "big beat," whatever the fuck that is.

It seems to me that I'm not being snarky or snobby about this, but hey I can't have any insight into "dance music," right? Because I'm like into indie rock and noise and weird stuff, right?

Hint to Ronan: I have quite a few "dance music" records in my collection, and believe it or not, I LIKE HOUSE.

― hstencil, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I've just never heard anyone refer to Fatboy Slim as "house,"

What aboot a Housemartin?

― Vic Funk, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

well, yeah, I guess Vic's right.

― hstencil, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh don't get me wrong, I reckon I'd love those DJs when I do see them. I like whatever mixes I've heard and their production work. I think cheesey can mean something in house music, but generally it just means pophouse as opposed to darker or deeper or dirtier stuff. I've tried to stop using it cos it's a wussout disclaimer in a review like "I like this but before you berate me and call it cheese here I've said it already".

Easier to be a snob in dance because of the nature of liking it maybe, ie lots of people who like dance end up only listening to dance and also it comes to become their social life also, so it's about who you go out with/where you go aswell even moreso than other genres. I mean I know there are indie clubs and all but they don't have connotations attached like I the dance ones in a given city do. (at least this is the case in Dublin and I'm sure even in a city where the clubs themselves don't have a rep, the DJ you say you went to see still gives it)

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, i'm with hstencil on this, i have never thought of fatboy slim as house either

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the house fatboy slim plays is by a million miles the most commonly used definition of house nowadays. Shakedown et al. Hstencil I think the problem here might be that I'm talking about his DJ sets not his production work so much.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

as for the distinction between 'real' and 'fun', i'd have to think about that some more

― gareth (gareth), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(NOT HIS PRODUCTION WORK!)

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, see well I've never heard a dj set by him, then. You didn't really specify that in the question.

Not that you asked but I think Basement Jaxx is miles better than Fatboy anyway, at least in terms of their productions (never heard 'em dj either).

Back to sleep....

― hstencil, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they're better too, I'd say most people here will agree since I doubt Fatboy is too popular but I do love Better Living Through Chemistry and to a lesser extent You've Come A Long Way Baby. I mean I'm not sure people here get that when I was 15/16/17 this was dance music along with the Chemical Brothers hence I still love both.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

but also back to your original point, it's nearly impossible to make a distinction, esp. as there's been so many mutations of house since the original or "real" Chicago back-in-the-day version. Does "real" mean "original" or "bleak" or "no-diva-vocals" as opposed to fun? What about all those people who like, say, Luomo, but don't like house? Is Luomo not "real" or "fun" or even "house?" Anybody hear that Soft Pink Truth record yet? All questions for other threads, probably.

― hstencil, Friday, 10 January 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose the thread really is a dissection of house music and the preoccupation with real and cheesey which developed. I'm sure the "real" stuff can be fun yeah, it's just traditionally one sort of fan argues that x is "real" and the other that y is "fun". Also I don't think this is like other genres where the gap is particularly big, I'm sure there are common tracks in dj sets of both and I don't think generally that there is a chasm of musical difference in the way.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"Red House" vs. "House of Fun"

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Well isn't the common factor with a lot of the 'fun' DJs you mention that they'll drop non-house into a 'house' set?

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

house means different things to different people is the key.

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm yeah that is kinda true, even in the sense that they'll play a particularly accessible techno track or whatever aswell as maybe a rock one or whatever, perhaps the "real" thing is cos the others are purists in a sense. It's odd that there aren't many UK DJs who have reached this level of respect, I've seen Jockey Slut referring to "Carter/Sneak/Carter" cos they do like Jon Carter aswell as Derrick but other than that are there any? Tom Middleton maybe?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Where does deep house fit into this? What I've heard of Microhouse makes me think it's kind of the new deep house in a way. I mean all those old deep records feel so dull, as I said before "your mind connecting with the cosmos" yadda yadda yadda. Does anyone actually like deep house? All the fans I know are outrageous snobs.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I told Andy K how much I loved Larry Levan's Live at the Paradise Garage (bought on his rave) and he pointed me to deephouse.com. Haven't really checked it out yet, but if there is a connection w/ that Levan stuff than I'm sure I'd like it.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 10 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Fatboy Slim would call himself a house DJ and probably producer too - like Justin Robertson he likes to refer to the entire domain of popular British dance/club music as house or acid house...excluding jungle/drum n bass

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 10 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

the best deep house is fucking amazing, ronan. sexy, funky, melancholy.

― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 10 January 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Me I'm just a trance/scooter hater.

I hope you're not implying that Scooter is trance?

― Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic (real) house a la Chicago/Detroit/New York (and those influenced by the purist movement) the music and technique for me anyways is normally of primary importance, going to hear a "fun" house set would mean I could get more fucked up and relax, lighten up. I can't say I am comfortable with the terminology, coz although, for example, Basement Jaxx come under fun house, they offer a worthy sonic experience. Conversly, I wouldn't piss on Quentin Cook's set if his vinyl was on fire. That's harsh, I would probably tell a member of club staff about the fire hazard.

― Macattack (Macattack), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel it's pushing it to call fatboy slim a dj let alone a house dj. a colleague of mine put him on belfast in the summer where he got the princely sum of £25 000 to play a dj set. i heard a recording of it and frankly, anyone who got a set of decks this christmas would have done a better job. whatever he was playing, it certainly wasn't what i'd call house music.

― stirmonster, Friday, 10 January 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah fair enough the guy can't mix for shit, I fully accept that stirmonster but he is good at reading a crowd, I mean so fucking what if he earns massive amounts of cash; this isn't here nor there as far as I'm concerned, a shit DJ or a great one earning 3 pints of beer is still shit/great. And maybe it isn't what you'd call house music but this is cos it's what you'd call "shit" right? So er....with all respect you see where I'm coming from.

(Siegbran no I wasn't implying that)

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It's worth adding that I don't think "good at reading a crowd" is as throwaway as it looks there. It's something lots of technically better DJs can't do as I'm sure anyone who's seen some dick bang out boring techno for 4 hours or something can see.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i never said what he played was shit. i just wouldn't call it house. 'house' covers a pretty wide spectrum but fundamentally, it's four to the floor disco music. what he was playing was more breaks orientated. my own personal taste is probably more towards the weirder / glitchier end of house but as i make people dance for a living, i appreciate the importance of quality cheese. i would never play a record i didn't like but while i might not listen to it at home i love playing basement jaxx et al out when i do a gig. purist entertainers certainly don't float my boat so please don't assume that i am a disconazi.

his fee is neither here nor there too, i just thought it might be of interest to know how much he was paid.

'good at reading a crowd' is what dj'ing is ALL about. i've met djs that have practiced their set all week to perfection and will keep to it no matter what happens on the dancefloor. imo they might as well burn it to cd-r and hit play.

― stirmonster, Friday, 10 January 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah listen fair enough, anytime I've seen him he does actually play house, he's moved away from breaks as far as I know his sets and he just plays pophouse hit after hit. He's not my favourite DJ but I do think what he does, ie giving people whatever is big at a given time with a few quirky remixes thrown in, is a good idea. He's not remotely pretentious and I do genuinely go in for the idea that he is kinda the peoples dj.

I agree with you, I think LOADS of djs just do their thing and don't give a shit about the crowd and to be fair to Fatboy Slim, anytime I've seen him he always pops up with a few surprises. Anyway sorry if I sound irked I just am a bit surprised by how many people hate Fatboy Slim.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I have the Brighton Beach DVD and was surprised by how shit the mixing on it is (how abysmally awful and non existant to be honest) but when I've seen him I've not noticed it as much. It is possible that for bigger gigs he doesn't bother even picking tracks that mix together easily and just goes for the hits.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Son House?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Real House is house music made for reasons other than the remit of appearing in other "dance" or "hits" compilation and creating "album buzz" and selling tons of records....

Jon Carter/Fatboy Slim/Justin Robertson/Jacques Lu Cont/are not house.

Justin Robertson kinda used to be prog house, but I have no idea what he's doing now.

Basement Jaxx are house, because of the carnival spirit and Brixton connection, but they are other things too.

― Nik (Nik), Friday, 10 January 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Or Ron House.

― hstencil, Friday, 10 January 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

the Brighton Beach set last Summer was ALL house music...also, just because Cook didnt always play house that doesnt mean he cant call himself a house DJ - he emerged with the house boom and if you check Pizzaman and Mighty Dub Katz stuff you'll see he was making decent housey tracks well before big beat shoved itself into the spotlight

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 10 January 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

house has always been the 'freest' sub-genre of dance music...and if Robertson, Cook, Carter and Lu Cont were to ever call themselves house DJs it wouldnt raise an eyebrow with me even thought they're all admittedly more remembered for their big beat tagged stuff...but from 1999 onwards they're surely all been playing at least 75% 4/4 stuff!

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 10 January 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

AND ANOTHER THING - it was NEVER that relevant that fatboy Slim was not known/admired/credited for his mixing...he played the best tunes! he got people dancing and happy! and as Ronan says with his 'reading the crowd' Fatboy Slim has been the master of that as far as i'm concerned...it pisses me off how much people drone on about DJs who can and can't mix...i couldnt give a toss, especially is the tracks they are seamlessly blending and at just the right moments are dreary minimal deep house tracks (not that i hate all deep house of course)

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 10 January 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

If I don't like the straight-ahead stuff, am I, ahem hem, lost in the Fun House!!?!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 January 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I am surprised by Nik's post, I think Big Beat must have ensured people didn't bother with whatever the Big Beat Djs did after it ended, back in 1998 or so!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)

you got me there, Ronan. I guess, if I examin my relationship with house, then it was my disgust of big beat that coincided with me buying tons of deep house records....

and so I no knowledge of Jon Carter or FBSlim's recent work. But I'm pretty sure its not house... I'm petty about these things, see?

Real House vs Fun House? neither: Hip-House!!!!!!!

― Nik (Nik), Sunday, 12 January 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Fun House to its credit has Pat Sharpe.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 12 January 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

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god i have so many unwrapped ed banger promos on my desk :(

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

I thought my last review was quite positive, I just hate Uffie mainly. Krazy Baldhead's "Strings of Death" is amazing!

― Tim F, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

i'm usually drunk at these parties anyway so they could be playing blog house remixes of don henley and i'd probably bob my head to them

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

oh ok i guess i sort of thought it was that.

but that time at the end, with the horrible overdriven bass, those tracks, thats nurave isnt it?

― 600, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

that one uffie song is normally about as much as i can take! it's funny. 'ready to uff', i mean.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yah Mo B There (Sebastian mix)

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

Tim -be more specific about what this difference is - at the moment it's only coming across as some sort of vague feeling you have.

That's indeed where I'm at! Was trying to harness the ilm hivemind to make more sense of it. So thank you for bringing something in a constructive spirit, especially: the tune itself doesn't have its own communal-celebration narrative for that enjoyment to plug back into, it's more like "all these people are feeling the same thing I'm feeling and I'm feeling what they're feeling" as opposed to "we are all participating in a feeling that is older than any of us". Food for thought at last.

However, you're talking about sudden crests in intensity, a "spark" suggesting the floor was somewhat dormant or business-as-usual-y immediately before the TUNE drops; whereas I'm talking about maintaining that feeling over time in a less hysteric way.

― blunt, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

though i have never heard 'ready to uff' sober, it must be said

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

don henley is ok! no michael mcdonald, but still

hivemind is confusing, i always forget whos in and whos out:/

― 600, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

i don't mind ready to uff. secret shame.

don henley is great! the point being more that he doesnt need to be blog-house remixed.

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't heard "Ready To Uff". I didn't mind "Pop The Glock" but "Dismissed" is truly awful. Or maybe it's the sinking realisation that she's planning to make a career out of the schtick.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

The return of Psychedelia???

Is there anything that CAN'T be assimilated into this giant rolling snowball of BS now? My mistake for not realising noize dude aesthetics are now Nu-Rave too, 'cos they have like colours & shit too!!11!!1

― fandango, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

My brother got me the second Ed Banger comp for my birthday. I haven't opened it yet though I swore I would try and listen to it.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

i'm for anything that has someone saying they are ready to fuck

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

i'll also apparently forgive the french anything

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

I like the idea of noize dude/freak folk being part of nu-rave e.g. Animal Collective - Winter Love (Kissy Sellout's Love My White Bitches Mix)

― Tim F, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

"i'll also apparently forgive the french anything"

Really the appropriate name for Blog House is "Freedom House".

― Tim F, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

The Sebastian mixes of 'Pop The Glock', 'Bossy' and maybe Nadiya's 'Tous Ces Mots' is all the haircut-electro (as in all the non 4-4 stuff) side of Ed Banger you'll ever need.

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Kissy Sellout are the only blog house I really like I think. Well, the only blog house with 'durr durr' basslines anyway.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Or maybe it's the sinking realisation that she's planning to make a career out of the schtick.

yeah it was a nasty shock when she released a second single and people paid attention to it.

freak-folk is the worst of the worst, i'm slowly realising. all those put-on voices.

the feadz track on the latest bpitch camping comp is really good, it doesn't really sound all that ed bangery.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

the phrase "nu french touch" makes me a little uncomfortable. i'm much happier with "blog house."

wait wait wait there's actually an act called KISSY SELLOUT? i might be turned around on this.

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

no one into dance music should be slagging off anything for "put on voices."

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

I like the idea of noize dude/freak folk being part of nu-rave e.g. Animal Collective - Winter Love (Kissy Sellout's Love My White Bitches Mix)

-- Tim F

Luomo black dice remix? nU rAVE?

I feel like the NME pwned music itself :/

― fandango, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

i like that Uffie did a beef/diss track against a messageboard (not ILM alas)

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

Also clearly blog house fits here because every time someone slates a Justice release or something someone goes "I saw them in Chicago, they were really fun, fuck all this chinstroking etc etc".

There's a Kissy Sellout mix of 'Bucky Done Gun' where they give her this really deep booming voice, it's great.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'm more interested in this 'Krazy Baldhead', although I never bothered to check out 'Lazy Fat People' on Ronan's recommendation so maybe a stupid name isn't enough to pique my interest any more.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

I quite like most Sebastian. Generally the Ed Banger stuff I like is the stuff that (unintentionally?) sounds like Nine Inch Nails/Depeche Mode.

Yeah Matt check out "Strings of Death", it's like the best rock-house anthem since "Monstertruckdriver" perhaps.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

these names are kinda off putting. or seductive. can't tell.

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

so where does jesse rose/switch/et al fit into all of this?

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

it's like the "blog house it's okay for techno people to like."

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

matt, that lazy fat people track was really good, you should check it out.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

Lazy Fat People is real house though, right? I can't keep up.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Lazy Fat People - European (so fake) but got a 12 inch on Planet E (so real)

They're not "fun", but they're good. Lex are you referring to "Shinjuku"?

― Tim F, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

yes!

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

btw those controversial get physical remixes and exclusives have landed in my lap just this second. i will listen & report.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

Can't resist mentioning I wrote on LFP over a year ago (french-language mag) http://www.partynews.ch/magazine/123/fr/pdf/16.pdf

― blunt, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

I am disappointed that this tread doesn't involve Pat Sharpe in some way.

― chap, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

isn't he in the Klaxons now?

― Ronan, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

do you like them blunt?

― Ronan, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

Do I like blunt klaxons?

Oh, I see what you mean.

― chap, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

the spatial arrangement of people feels far more fluid in that you have huddled groups of people talking, sometimes right next to the DJ booth, and usually right next to people dancing [...] "we are all participating in a feeling that is older than any of us"

this is also true of the oldschool techno nights i have attended over the last couple of years, and around these parts 'old school' means hawtin/bell/proto-kompakt cologne brutalism, ie music completely devoid of 'soul vibes' or 'real instruments' or whatever. so its mostly a scene thing i guess. lots of nostalgic old folks in the crowd = good vibrations

― ☪, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

you don't need real instruments to have soul :D

― tricky, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

i like tim's observation waaaaay upthread about drill'n'bass vs drum'n'bass.

what i have personally observed is that people at deep house nights actually dance, and dance well, like people at r+b nights. at minimal nights i see a lot of jittery bobbing-in-place (excepting the odd raver) so the vibe is a lot more like a dancehall night. electrohouse/blog house nights fall somewhere in between, much like hiphop nights, with a lot of fairly respectable things happening but also quite a lot of wite kids doing very cringeworthy and awkward stuff.

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

^^ last few words there = my feelings about uffie

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

i heard dbx losing control out the other day, it must have been sat but im not sure

― 600, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know how the original distinction was made but I felt this when I was listening to that MIA (substatic MIA) record the other day and it seemed so careful and precise like it didn't want to break a sweat or mess up its hair or spill its drink and I just thought fuck this and spent the rest of the day listening to Moodymann and UK Garage.

Probably not what's being discussed here, but I wanted to vent.

― admrl, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

where does this fit in?

http://www.myspace.com/bananasandecstasy

― admrl, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

lol

― admrl, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

Sounds like some hipster kids are trying to sound like Liquid Liquid without the hooks.

xpst adamrl

― Display Name, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

that'd certainly be the first time THAT had ever happened!

― pshrbrn, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

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