the only thing punk rock ever did was to create articles like THIS

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(nb: I am being sarcastic. Sort of.)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

*I am stabbing myself in the face RIGHT NOW.*

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the responses are better than the article.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"The happy-face, let's-all-jump-around-and-act-silly music of acts like Sum 41 and blink-182 seems pretty lightweight when stacked up against that of the Sex Pistols or the Dead Boys."

ahahahahahahaha ha ahha ahah ah aha.

Sum 41 are all angst and Blink are too, sort of but with stadium rockisms and anthems and etc thrown in, and both are well in the Ramones tradition and I mean... the Dead Boys!!!?

Okay also the problem isn't the author arguing WH or MJ or etc. is punk, but just making a very poor case for it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean seriously how does one jump around and be happy to some of Sum 41's fuck-off grind noiZe?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Fitting acronym, "ew".

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 11 January 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh but look at Sinclair's byline for his own punk moment:

Tom Sinclair is a senior writer for EW and has been called "the handsomest man in rock criticism'' (by his wife)


Even funnier is David Browne's anti-grammy rant - click on the letf, the "hot topic" of "what were grammy voters thinking"?

Choiciest Avril bits:

Maybe the voters are so sure who will win that they figured, what the hell -- let's nominate Lavigne's ''Complicated'' for Song of the Year to get a few more ratings points. How ELSE can one explain anyone thinking of that Alanis-lite mewl as worthy of a writing award?

Go David!! Go David!! MEWL!

P.S. to Lavigne: In case you ever have to announce nominees again, the ''Bow'' in David Bowie's last name rhymes with ''beau,'' not ''cow.'' To bolster your integrity, you may want to remind your handlers to make sure you don't make such gaffes (rhymes with ''laughs'') in the future.

Ahhahahaha - I like this comment the best:

Joel- Thu, Jan 9, 2003 at 7:27 PM EST

I pronouce it Bowie as in "cow", and everybody I know does too. But teach us more! Is "INXS" pronouced "inks"? I need to know more than anything in the whole wide world!

Now i SERIOUSLY wish i knew Avril in real life

Vic, Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

and Joel too of course

Vic, Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ska kid- Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 8:12 PM EST

i agree with everyone in some aspect or another but your all still off. punk is all about heart. you and only you can follow your own heart. you do whatever you wanna do with your life without letting anything stand in your way. its not about fashion, being edgy and dangerous, a drug addict, or a rebellios teenager. its about being yourself. theres only one you, seperating you from everyone else. but you have to be honest. only do things you want do just do weird or spontaneous things cause they're cool. be honest all the time, otherwise your just a fake - a poser.

Famous Athlete, Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

me- Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 8:16 PM EST

punk is awsome...but michael jackson and whitney houston arent punk!!! Good Charlotte is(but they sing pop/punk)...sum41 is....and a bunch of other bandz i like r..

Curtis Stephens, Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Punk rock was all about deviance and transgression; it was music made by and for malcontents and screw-ups.

Transgression maybe, but deviance has been part and parcel with Rock since the sixties.

jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 11 January 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

What's really scary is... I *AGREE* with him.

kate, Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

You think Whitney's punkx0r, Kate?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Right now, Whitney is more punXor than Pink and Avril put together.

kate, Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

All this really means is Tom Sinclair is an asshole.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Right now, Whitney is more punXor than Pink and Avril put together.

People keep saying this like it's a good thing.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't too wound up over this. It's Entertainment Weekly fercrissakes: this is where hack rockcrits go when they are

  • too incompetent for even Rolling Stone's bullpen of yoyos...and
  • not creative enough to write for the Weekly World News.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not saying it like it's a good thing. It's a terrifying and tragic and pitiful comment on the state of music and of carcrash culture and ... blargh. I'm gonna go shoot myself now.

kate, Saturday, 11 January 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess what I'm saying is that if it is true, then punk isn't worth much as a "yardstick" anyhoo... not like this is an original thought.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 11 January 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

really, i don't see how that article is much different than what some of ILM's more illustrious posters have been saying for years here (and that is not an endorsement either).

jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 11 January 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the article was a joke?

Curtis Stephens, Saturday, 11 January 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it is a joke, but it's so unconvincingly told that I wonder whether Sinclair's actually a little more serious about his subject than he intends to be. It is EW, after all...

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 11 January 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny though that EW writers usually are *ex*-Rolling Stone writers, well at least David Browne (ugh) falls in this category. And Ken Tucker too, but he mainly critiques television shows now, only occasionally chiming in to pan Tori Amos releases and give them an F without listening to them. Spin's Will Hermes writes for EW once in a while as well.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 11 January 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Bravo Ken Tucker!

Will Hermes is always Spin's boy whenever there's a faceoff with Rob Sheffield on NPR. I always think 'can't anybody figure out how to bomb radio boothes anymore?'

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 11 January 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Rob Sheffield's face looks all awkawrdly jagged and pasty everytime he's on television. His RS dominance seems to have decreased, as of late.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 11 January 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"His RS dominance seems to have decreased, as of late."

Amen to that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Meanwhile Joel Stein has taken up residence on the back page on EW, in their Sean Landers/Zev Borow move.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 11 January 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

where did Rob Sheffield come from, anyway? He can kind of be entertaining, at least. In a bad way.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 11 January 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

He's just a little too enthusiastic and giddy for my taste.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't mind him that much, I just don't believe his "look, i'm clever!" style, but then no one i know does. I'd still read him over Sinclair though

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 11 January 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean seriously how does one jump around and be happy to some of Sum 41's fuck-off grind noiZe?

You're making them sound like an Earache band...and clearly they're not. Except maybe Lawnmover Deth, who I think are funnier. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 January 2003 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Lawnmover Deth? Damn, I like that better than the actual name!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 January 2003 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Rob Sheffield had a zine I believe; the first I can remember coming across him was in Radio On, Phil Dellio's fantaaastic, much missed precursor to Freaky Trigger's Focus Groups. Sheffield was always in good form there.

I've yet to see a rock critic doing the talking head routine on VH1 - and this applies especially to Sheffield and Joe Levy - and not thought 'what a buffoon'. They're always so goddamn happy to be on camera.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Only Legs McNeil has pulled it off with any real style or credibility, if you ask me.....and he's a total fuck-up (but a lovable one).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony DeCurtis tries to appear all low-key how he's not impressed to be on TeeVee and "professional" but he's the same as well, and plus he's worse since he's much more boring than Sheffield. But Rob's face looks like it was coated in plaster or something


I once - and only once - saw David Fricke on there, and he was so decked out in hippy attire - complete with tie-dyed posters behind him, long hair, the works. And can anyone still wonder whether there's the Boomer-romanticizing going on in RS has ever ceased?

Vic, Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the fact that Entertainment Weekly's web-site address is "www.ew.com". and, in fitting with this linked article and its premise, that's also more punk than Blink-182.

oh yeah ... ditto to what Kate and Kim said upthread.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever happened to SERIOUS punk like Splodge and Johny Moped?

dave q, Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony DeCurtis really needs to shave that non-beard of his.

Sheffield, meanwhile, looks as if he's contracted some slow spreading form of leprosy (though it hasn't lessened his insufferable gee-whillikerishness).

Despite his tonsorial insistance on mimicing Johnny Ramone, I have nothing but respect for David Fricke, as he is that rare beast: a rock critic/historian that really *KNOWS* about his subject matter and can actually string a coherent paragraph together without resorting to smarmy zeitgeist baiting and/or oblique allusion.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

why doesn't he write more often these days? it's like it became the (R)ob (S)heffield magazine, with him writing every other lead review from the spring of '98 to this fall. he totally influenced the general tone of the magazine as well, and of course all the listmaking - that "cool" list, that was all rob.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 11 January 2003 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Rolling Stone seems more intent on competing with crap like BLENDER these days than in restoring any dignity its storied legacy once earned, hence the predominance of the Sheffields over the Frickes.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I can respect someone like Fricke for their historical knowledge/perspective, but I prefer writers who can personalize the opinion of the work and place it in a subjective context (what it means to them) while still objectively discussing its merits, like Ann Powers. But I don't want to read writers like that all the time either. Someone who can write in a variety of voices is admirable, depending on the type of review or publication.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:15 (twenty-two years ago)

This article is basically saying that all arrogant drug-addicts are punks. That makes Ian McKaye about as un-punk as it gets.

Callum (Callum), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

People have been saying that about Ian McKaye for twenty years now!

I almost mentioned Legs McNeil as an exception, but I think part of that is due to me growing up reading him (in Spin of yore)and still loving the guy (looking forward to his porn book). The problem with putting rock critics on tv is that most of them have faces for radio. Jancee Dunn(?) (does she count as a rock critic?) was a slight exception when she an MTV2 - cuter than Eric Weisbard. Supposedly Meltzer looks like a handsomer DeNiro.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugh! Can't stand Ann Powers. Her and Eric Weisbard should be set on fire.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to really really hate reading Ann Powers in the Times, strained metaphors (I remember a "Radiohead is like the Internet" column circa Kid A my friends and I mocked for weeks afterward) - her replacement isn't much better. Powers' did one of those roundtable deals with Slate recently - AAARGH! I usually keep my Ann Powers distaste to myself becuz from what I can tell she's really highly esteemed, admired, beloved by her peers some of whom I respect enough to think maybe I'm wrong (until I remember "Radiohead is like the Internet"). I'm fairly sure at least one member of the Powers-Weisbard combo will end up with something in the New Yorker at some point - Alan Light has shown them the light! *ducks* Can't you do something about this Alex?

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

They barely allow me in the building there, James. I'm hanging on by the most tenuous of threads. But, I'll see what I can do.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Just buy Remnick some bio on some Russian boxer and you're good as gold!

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 11 January 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Bahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i am the agony inside a dying head

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

That link makes my head hurt.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

never say i don't keep my promises!!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Her and Eric Weisbard should be set on fire.

Doesn't she already have some disease or something? Cause Xgau mentioned her having health problems, or something, but I don't know. I'm not ashamed for liking her, I just liked her writing for some reason. Jancee Dunn is dreamy, it was very sad when she left MTV2, it was the only good thing about the channel anyway (did you see HER replacement there, that "rock chick" she was subtituted with ...oh my gawd! I remember during one interview she described Floetry as "brit-pop" - she'd be too dumb to even host House of Style, if it were still around), as well as her RS articles. I know she still writes occasionally.

Didn't mean for this topic to overtake this thread, but I also can't stand that Spin guy, Alex Pappademas. So many of them suck but him, ugh.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark Spitz is another one who needs to be slapped repeatedly.

In all seriousness, I don't know about Ann Powers' health problems (if she has any). My abject hatred for her and Weisbard, however, was cemented by that SPIN/VH1 "history of Punk" program a while back (the one narrarated by Lou Reed). Despicable.

I'm sure they're all perfectly nice folks, though. It's not a high-paying field, and it'se pretty cut-throat, so good luck to'em. I just wish they weren't....well, y'know...the way they are. Credible, thoughful, intelligent, dignified rock critics are woefully few and far between.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:25 (twenty-two years ago)

just kogan and me, i think

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

:P

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 11 January 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

mark- you're modest!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 11 January 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Rob Sheffield's face looks all awkawrdly jagged and pasty everytime he's on television.
And he must be smoking like a chimney. His teeth are the greyish yellow color of a cantaloupe rind.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Saturday, 11 January 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"just kogan and me, i think"

mark s -- you've had a recent quarrel with reynolds or wot?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 11 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

A peek inside Rob Sheffields mind

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 12 January 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"They're not here for using Schlitz as their 1982 tour sponsor, which is like Lynyrd Skynyrd doing airline commercials." - HA! Maybe Barely Legal or Gear can sponsor the next Who tour. Also, Rob Sheffield calling Tom Petty too ugly for television is pot calling kettle black.

James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 12 January 2003 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Which one has better teeth? Thats what I wanna know.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"the handsomest man in rock criticism..." ??
Yo, this dude looks like a lady...!

http://a552.g.akamai.net/f/552/606/1d/image.pathfinder.com/ew/img/writers/sinclair_l.jpg

v (1411), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)


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