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Don't know if this has had a thread or not, couldn't find one.
I realise some people who write from it are probably on here, saw Ned Ragett's name somewhere in there.
Haven't really gotten through it yet.
So far I find it: curious. In bed with Cat power and things make the approach to writing about music seems nicely deviant. No Allan Jones prattling on about seeing aircraft, with nick lowe! on drugs!..
I think.. I.. hmm.. like it.

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Saturday, 11 January 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

saw Ned Raggett's name somewhere in there.

Yup, I have a regular column and do occasional reviews and a story here and there. I like it but I'm biased. Neil Kulkarni's metal column is freakin' brilliant, and then there's that Fiona person I've heard about. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 January 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh! Leave me alone! I know I'm procrasturbating like mad and surfing deadlines and still owe two articles but I'm full of massive shots of vitman B12 and tea and you'll have them the end of the weekend, honest! How freaking quickly can I thow together 550 words about Rockist Electronica and 500 words about KrautGrrrl ... ?

(I love threads like this, they enable me to shirk duties to the editors without actually having to talk to them...)

and who the FUCK stole my login, BTW?

― fiona f (suzy), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

My column this month is pretty random, but I was amused,

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hurrah for a classic rock - they're good to have and even better to leave"
Wonderful, really. I think this afternoons Pete Townshend's child porn "research" might be the final nail in that particular coffin for me. Relapses are of course inevitable, but Never Again will I listen to the whole 4 disc boxset in one afternoon. never.

The Kurt Cobain thing looked like an IBM ad or something the first time I saw, then I looked for an article and finding none, I smiled.

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

And, curiously, Julian Casablancas doesn't want to go on a dinner date with me. Ah well.

I am now going to write. If anyone catches me mucking about on ILX, yell at me, you have my permission.

― fiona f (suzy), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

kulkarni's ok on hiphop too actually, i look out for his stuff

― zemko (bob), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

He's great on that. I think he was the first regular staff member at Melody Maker to be able to talk about nineties hip-hop with any depth and knowledge.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

cor, just googled him: he's a busy guy alright

― zemko (bob), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

kulkarni regular hip-hop review section in DJ Magazine, every fortnight.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 11 January 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it, but not enough to suscribe to. If I saw it in shops I would buy it occasionally.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 11 January 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't like subscribing to magazines, but if i did i would probably subscribe to CTCL. it's the main reason i found ILM.

― joan vich (joan vich), Saturday, 11 January 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Kulkarni on Hip-Hop is pretty good; no Dave Tompkins but no-one is. Ned: your column this month was affectionate; I liked the way that it was really leisurely paced also liked the illustration of you by Soren. I fell in love with Nadine McBay just reading her few live reviews. And Kulkarni on Metal is great. There is loads of rubbish though: "we're doing this and if you don't like it then you can fuck off" just stinks, and is lazy, and is boring.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 11 January 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd never be bothered subscribing to a magazine,but if you could buy this in ireland i probably would get it,at least every so often...

― robin (robin), Saturday, 11 January 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

didja find it in a regular newsagents? YAY for our new distro!!!

sxxx

― stevie (stevie), Saturday, 11 January 2003 22:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Re: Ireland, I purchased it in Eason's of O'Connell Street Not sure if it's available elsewhere. Didn't see it in Tower.
The metal column was good. Lack of gloss is good. Not sure about this "outsider music not'indie'" thing that's going on.
Yes, the pleasant dreams illustration is nice, I too can see myself sleeping to a solitary bassist (as far as I can make out) how could one not.

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

oh and the only magazine I've ever subscibed to is Nation Geographic. someone gave me a present of a subscription to Granta once, migh get that again, great literary magazine that.

― Major Alfonso (Major Alfonso), Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The "outsider" thing made me gnash my teeth and beat my head against the wall, but that's just me and I think I already started a thread on that somewhere...

― fiona f (suzy), Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Me too, Fiona; hey Ned, you're right, she is great.

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Why thank you!

Ned: your column this month was affectionate; I liked the way that it was really leisurely paced also liked the illustration of you by Soren.

I haven't actually seen it yet, my copy is en route. This is the 'sleep' column, yes?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 January 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

major alfonso-cheers,i must have a look in eason's so...i just presumed cause i hadn't seen it in tower that it was being distributed over here...

― robin (robin), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't buy this anywhere, I've only read it once. That issue was fine, like everything else it's very hit and miss, but the hit to miss ratio was higher than most paper/web publications (ie: it talked about and praised bands that I like more than most other mags). So. That's alright.
It's counting down isn't it? What happens when it reaches issue one, is that it then? What's the point in that?

― DavidM (DavidM), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It's counting down isn't it? What happens when it reaches issue one

Then we launch our moon mission.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 January 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Ned, the sleep column. Did you really fall asleep to Progspeed?

― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 12 January 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey! No dissing prog!

― kate, Sunday, 12 January 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It struck me as a weird complement to The Wire, in that both magazines have strong links to the writers and sensibilities of the early 80s weekly UK rock press. If The Wire is the post-80s-NME -- cool and progressive -- CTCL is the post-80s-MM -- humane and slightly twee.

Visually, it could almost be a music paper of 1981. It's got photos with the organic negative mount visible, early Anton Corbjin / Penny Reel style. Nick Cave alone in front of the sea, very arty! One innovation I like is the extensive use of illustrations. I mean, it's an innovation for a music mag. It wouldn't have shocked the Illustrated London News of 1860 -- or Fast Company, 2001, for that matter.

I once said (in the 80s NME, as a matter of fact) 'People who deliberately preserve their innocence should be killed'. I think I've mellowed a bit. After reading CTCL I merely think they should be coralled in a civilised ghetto of their own making.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 12 January 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you really fall asleep to Progspeed?

Did I ever. I admit I was already tired, but that just made it worse.

I merely think they should be coralled in a civilised ghetto of their own making.

But that's ILXOR as well, isn't it? And we're not that innocent here, surely.

FWIW, I don't consider myself to be part of any CTCL party line as perceived. I'm just a music geek who took up an opportunity to write for it when it was first announced and have somehow made it a regular thing. I think it's fun. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 January 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

It's hard to find a CTCL writer who *does* think of themselves as part of a party line. But a year into any publication's life, a "let's all be different together" hivemind does develop. I have to fight to prevent Fiona from just becoming pure bile-fuelled reaction to the opinions of, say, Miss AMP or ET or even Irene Revell.

It fucks me off when they start making these "we are the voice of the outsider art" pronouncements because as an "employee" you are lumped in with that manifesto whether you believe it or whether you violently disagree with it. But you can either resign (in which case your voice doesn't get heard at all, and besides, someone will always drag you back into it...) or else you can keep going in the hopes that somehow multiple opinions, even if contradictory, will make for a better press.

Anyway...

― fiona f (suzy), Sunday, 12 January 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

momus i think you must surely mean penny smith: penny reel wrote about reggae and mods in the 60s (and was a man)

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

a "let's all be different together" hivemind does develop

D'oh! Well, I could start dedicating columns to my love of the Smashing Pumpkins and all, but I have a feeling there would be complaints and not just from ET. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I would buy it if it had articles about the Smashing Pumpkins.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

but I've never seen an issue of this magazine anywhere.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not enough, Jel? *cries* What if I reviewed the comp for it? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

jel, try Tower Records, Borders, HMV, Selectadisc and Helter Skelter book shop in Denmark Street.

Also it is now been stocked in some local newsagents, i picked mine up on New Years Eve in suburbia North London.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Blooming hell! I swear I've never seen it!

Good idea Ned! :-)

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I have been commissioned to write for them by Mr. True. So far my promos have not arrived yet and I may just make something up.

― Douglas Mosurak (mosurock), Sunday, 12 January 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"FWIW, I don't consider myself to be part of any CTCL party line as perceived"

there isn't really a party line; CTCL is perhaps the most internally-fractious magazine i've ever worked on, in the best possible way. from my experience, everyone involved is passionate about what they believe in, but (mostly) respectful of contrary opinions. as features Ed, i've published pieces on bands i personally detest (if the writing's good enough to convince) and pieces with which i disagree entirely (again, if the writing's good enough, and if the angle is interesting enough to provoke... well, anything really).

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 13 January 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I just wish Soundscapes would carry it, apparently they only carried a few of one issue on special arrangement.
Even if you don't like the writing, buy it for the nice paper.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

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