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Is there such thing as dub metal?

If so, what does it sound like? Who does it? Does it work as a concept? Which bits come from dub and which bits are metal?

― phil jones (interstar), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc700/c729/c72925t5u5a.jpg

― gygax!, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i would say blind idiot god but i don't think they were any good, really

― bob snoom, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn you gygax for being so quick on the draw!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Check *The Accidental Evolution of Rock'n'Roll,* by, um, me, pages 288-294; "A Brief History of Dub Metal." Seminal examples: Chambers Brothers' "Time Has Come Today," Black Sabbath's "FX," Led Zep's "Whole Lotta Love," Funkadelic's *Funkadelic* album. More recent notables: Young Gods, Bad Brains, Celtic Frost, Butthole Surfers, Blind Idiot God, KMFDM, Chain Gang, Def Lep's "Rocket," etc.

Also, you might want to read this, by ILM person Frank Kogan:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0252/kogan.php

― chuck, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

He calls Chambers Brothers' "Time Has Come Today" metal, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I keep remembering there are people who haven't read Stairway to Hell.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil your levels of "not getting it" are reaching critical mass.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever, the idea that "Time Has Come Today" is dub metal is, at best, revisionist. Of course, I haven't read Mr. Eddy's esteemed publication, so I can only comment regarding the context of this thread, but hey, sue me.

Also:

1. Aren't you like "gone" from here, jess? Don't you have "better things to do?"

2. If I'm "not getting it," why don't you help me out then, champ? I mean, why do you write about music anyway?

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

1. usually. but it's my day off.

2. money.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, so hstencil, I really wanna know: What ISN'T metal about that Chambers Brothers song? Like, that they wore the wrong clothes or something? Please explain this to me. I really wanna know.

― chuck, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, the guitars are metal, and the echoes are dub. It's pretty fucking simple, you know?

― chuck, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Hstencil, have you heard the full, album-length version of the Chambers Bros. tune? Or just the radio friendly single version?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

think "jennifer" from faust IV = dub metal (in that order, flavored with prog and noise).

― gygax!, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear it as being more in the vein of other heavy-guitar pop of the time, i.e. Kinks, Yardbirds, Electric Prunes, etc. Maybe a starting point for metal, but not metal.

Clothes have nothing to do with it for me, but maybe it does for you, I dunno.

I own the album.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Answer the first part of question 2, jess.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Silly me, I was thinking of the Hudson Brothers. They're definitely not dub-metal.

― die9o (dhadis), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

gygax!, have you heard the full, album-length version of the Faust tune? Or just the radio friendly single version?

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought all Faust was radio friendly.

― die9o (dhadis), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just joshin' with gygax!. There's nothing about "Jennifer" that sounds metal at all to me.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

never heard the single version, i'd like to though.

the end of it is noisy metallic feedback squallor... isn't it?

― gygax!, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"Seminal" would seem to *imply* "a starting point." The Chamber Bros. album came out the same year as the first Hendrix album, and I guess some stupid people would call Hendrix "not metal," too. (Then again, I suppose some *smart* people might also call Slayer "heavy guitar pop," seeing how they're heavy, and have guitars, and are popular.)

― chuck, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Chuck, Hendrix didn't use a JCM 900, thus Hendrix is not metal.

― die9o (dhadis), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(...which would of course mean that metal didn't exist before 1990 or so.)

― die9o (dhadis), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there's lots of big obvious musical differences between the Chamber Brothers and Led Zep or Black Sabbath, differences your list don't address. If you're just gonna present a bunch of disparate stuff as a list with no explanation, well then I guess what's the harm in me laughing (in what I thought was initially a pretty harmless way) at it? Why do you write about music? Is it to explain what you think about music to people? Or is it just to make lists and leave it at that?

I may be "stupid" but I wouldn't call Hendrix metal, either. Certainly a "starting point" or a "seminal influence" on metal, but not metal.

Re: the Slayer comment - that's just ridiculous. If I was more into the idea of taking your worthless flame bait, I'd just say "fuck you." Not much point in that, but hey you're the "author," so maybe dialogues aren't exactly what you're looking for.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I thought my answers were harmless too, but whatever...Look, there are also big obvious musical SIMILARITIES between Zep, Sabbath, and that Chambers Brothers song (and Hendrix.) (Mostly in the guitars, as I said somewhere above, but also probably in the basslines, the melodies, the singing, etc.) And to my ears, by my definition (which I HAVE explained to people, for, like, 20 years, and in two whole books to start with), those similarities are what make them all heavy metal. Obviously you don't *really* have to be stupid to disagree with me (I was joking -- thought the Slayer line made *that* obvious, and sorry if it seemed otherwise), but again, I'm still curious which "big obvious musicial differences" you're referring to make Hendrix and the Chamber Brothers not metal. They're both pretty noisy and psychedelic in '60s guitar pop terms, seems to me -- even compared to, say, the Yardbirds or "I Had to Much to Dream Last Night" (both of which are even *more* seminal metal, I suppose.)

― chuck, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Hendrix may even be more proto-metal for his singing than his guitar playing. hard to imagine a Mark Farner type chest-beater without the Hendrix example on a song like "Foxey Lady".

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

They're both pretty noisy and psychedelic in '60s guitar pop terms, seems to me -- even compared to, say, the Yardbirds or "I Had to Much to Dream Last Night" (both of which are even *more* seminal metal, I suppose.)

Okay, so I think we agree in a way, just differ in that Chambers Brothers/Hendrix/Yardbirds/Prunes seem proto-metal to me, as opposed to Led Zep/Black Sab/etc. as metal. I dunno if I can explain it just yet, and I know je ne sais quoi is a cop-out, so gimme some time and I'll see what I come up with.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil, i thought i did.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

You haven't helped me "get" anything, jess.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

stop the fussing.

what about Painkiller?? zorn, laswell and harris. there are the definite dub moments

― JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

does sublime have any dub/metal songs?

― gygax!, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil, i will try to spell it out for you as baldly as possible:

my answer to question 2 stands for both parts.

your lack of...actually i don't even know what it is...wit?, suspension of disbelief?, fantasy?, fancy?, ability to step outside of literalist/fact-checker self-parody?...is depressing to say the least.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

gee, thanks jess.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, yeah, that was probably a step too far, i apologize.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably. It's not up to you as to how "seriously" or not I take what I read or post on ILM. That you won't even cede that I could possibly be taking the piss every once in a while, and that you don't get it, is pretty insulting, but hey, it's your problem, not mine.

Besides, can't we discuss more important things, like what the implications are of Shania Twain wearing a Ramones t-shirt?

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, i stand by it, but i let myself get carried away. besides, i think its pretty disingenuous of the two of us to pretend we're best pals.

so what's the difference between indie-dub and dub metal? (aside from y'know, the way the songs are written/sound.)

i always thought of "jennifer" as canterbury dub.

(haha hstencil - re. the post between my last one and this one - i think i do a good enough job pointing out my own stupidity ("not getting it") in my writing - consciously or not - for everyone.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe not best pals, but hey I don't know you, you don't know me. I haven't made a point of taking potshots at you. Maybe I have in the past, I don't remember, but if I did it's never been to the extent that other FMBB-related people did (and I think that's where the animosity comes from, even though any time spent over there would make it clear that no two people on that board think/post alike, same as here). Perhaps what you find to be my "inability" is really just me trying to squeeze more clarity out of some of what I read here? Dunno. I suppose if I thought it was worth my time I could berate other posters for their "crimes" against my tastes or whatever, but I don't. I'm pretty happy to just read what's written, then interject if/when I want to. I don't think how I behave here should be taken that seriously (lord knows I don't take it that seriously), but then again it's patently unfair for me to get taken to task just for having a different opinion or conviction than someone else. In the context of this thread, I have to believe that I'm not the only person in the world who would disagree that the Chambers Brothers or Hendrix are metal, but I think I've already expressed that, so on to the rest...

Indie-dub? Dub metal? No idea. What's indie-dub, anyway? Like, uh, Jan Jelinek or something? Seriously, I have no idea.

The Canterbury dub thing is funny 'cause I was going to make a joke upthread (but never got around to it) that "Jennifer" is progressive dub.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

shit, why didn't I look at this thread sooner? I actually get to see Chuck debate his stance on metal! At first I assumed this was about like, metal metal. Bands with names like Sheufiosfos Incarnate. Rising Debylum. Keel.

I'm still iffy on the concept of dub itself. So, like, all echo-effects are "dub"? Why do they get first dibs and not, I dunno, Joe Meek or somebody? Did they invent the equipment or something? I used dub-metal in my Good Charlotte review mainly because I'm except Chuck's def. to describe what GC lifted from Lep (and how!) but I'm still a little iffy on it.

Iffy is the word of the day, btw.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

This confuses me, greatly:

because I'm except Chuck's def. to describe what GC lifted from Lep (and how!) but I'm still a little iffy on it.

One thing I'm unclear with is how these dub metal progenitors might have influenced the dub side of the equation, as opposed to the metal side. I mean, hey we know Led Zep might have heard Yardbirds et al (esp. as Page was their guitarist!), but did Lee Perry ever hear the Chambers Brothers?

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

gah! what a typo I made. "except" should be uh..."I'm accepting Chuck's def. in order to describe what GC lifted".

hstencil, this is the first rule of chuck club: associations will be based not on actual history, but sonic similarity.

Which is part of what I love about it, since what we hear is a lot more important purchase-wise than when things happened. Hence, Chambers Brothers is metal if it SOUNDS like metal.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Quite so. In a word, RAWK.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

so, sidestepping the RAWK genre, Wynton Marsalis is bop because his music sounds bop?

Ugh. Guess this is one club I'll never be in.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Wynton Marsalis is bop because his music sounds bop?

Why wouldn't it be? It could be particularly crap bop in the mind's eye.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

It wouldn't be because I think of bop in historical terms, i.e. what like 1947-1959 or so?

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Also if everyone except me agrees that music can be thought of ahistorically, then I never ever wanna see another thread again about how so-and-so genre "is dead."

― hstencil, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

boogie woogie is dead

― gygax!, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Ragtime is even deader.

It wouldn't be because I think of bop in historical terms, i.e. what like 1947-1959 or so?

Yes, but consider all the threads on what 'punk' is. Was it framed in a time or not?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"He calls Chambers Brothers' 'Time Has Come Today' metal, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"

I've never (to my knowledge) heard the Chambers Bros, or even OF them. Your comment tells me exactly zilch about them, hstencil, but it tells me a lot about you: that you are, or like to come across as, snotty and derisive. Way to go. Of course there are going to be differences with bands you see as "real metal", like Sabbath. I mean otherwise we'd only need one metal band ever! Why not try and figure out what those are instead of contemptuously slamming the lock back onto hstencil's Approved Genre Guide to All Music. We don't come here to lock down categories, we come here to think, and change our thinking (and talk about kittens occasionally)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it helps to be somewhat familiar with Mr. Eddy's writing style / the "stairway" bk (as hstencil admitted he was not). Maybe "writing project" is more like it. He can certainly be maddening but that's the fun!

I guess I just couldn't understand why hstencil laughs at the guy (out of nowhere) adding nothing to the conversation. Then berates jess and chuck for not fully explaining themselves and says maybe dialogues aren't exactly what you're looking for.

I mean, if a dialogue is what you want, "hahahahhahahahahahaahhA" isn't exactly the most graceful opening line.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 68 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Late contender in the "hahaha you could totally make an argument that that's dub metal" game: "Crimson and Clover!" I heard it while bowling tonight and it made me think of this thread.

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 25 January 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(Okay not really but it was a funny thing to think about. Obviously I mean the Joan Jett version, though it was the Tommy James I actually heard.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 25 January 2003 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, there's a version by this south american psych band Aguaturbia that is totally heavy and stretched-out! Can't recall if it uses any interesting production techniques, but lemme give it a listen...

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 25 January 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

...actually nope, no dub in sight! In fact, it wasn't even as heavy as I recalled. I guess I was thinking about the long jammy middle section, the most interesting part of which is the way the drummer totally loses the beat and just starts flailing away!! Man, that was great, it made my night! thanks for giving me the impulse to dig that one up again..

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 25 January 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

earth 2?

― bob snoom, Sunday, 26 January 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

gor!!

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 26 January 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

so i just picked up 'the time has come" by the chambers brothers today because of this thread

a) what a fuck-tabulous song!!

b) i whole heartedly think i agree that it is dub metal. in the same sense that in a gadda da vida could be considered (proto)metal

― JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

I have a damaged Squirrel Bait tape that sounds like dub metal. You can occasionally hear the Buzzcocks coming through fom the other side.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 3 June 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ICE

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 3 June 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry if this is an idiotic question, but I've been to the FAQ and have tried to figure it out from context:

What does RFI stand for?

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 3 June 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

FYI - it means Request For Information

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 3 June 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank yew.

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 3 June 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ICE

seriously.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 4 June 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

One philosophy, or attitude to life, which dub and metal might have in common, is a love of Armageddon fantasies.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep -- here are the affinities that I guessed that metal and dub shared in my second book: "noise, slowness, apocalypse, marijuana use, cumbersome basslines."

And I wrote about some very recent dub-metal here, by the way:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0414/eddy.php

and here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0424/eddy1.php

and here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/eddy.php

― chuck, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

lawndale - sasquatch rock has more than a few moments of dub metal.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

To Dub War I'll add their sequel, Skindred.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

And Naked Truth.

― mei (mei), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Skindred are a fucking bunch of cockfarmers.

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

Queen, "Get Down Make Love"

― xhuxk, Thursday, 18 December 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago)

it know it couldn't be more obvious but DUB TRIO DUB TRIO DUB TRIO

― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Thursday, 18 December 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago)

Leviathan "Massive conspiracy against all life"

Chrome "Third from the sun" and just about anything afterwards . .

― Soukesian, Thursday, 18 December 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago)

I'm really enjoying this new dubstep album by Distance, Repercussions. The track "Koncrete" in particular uses thrash metal irregular rhythms and grinding textures, but it's aired out over a slower beat.

― bendy, Thursday, 18 December 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago)

Bunkur.

It's weird to read the debates upthread, from days of old. Like how people in the 70s thought metal was some totally different thing, and then the total deathless tenacity of the concept. Which is very metal (deathlessness), so fair enough. But definitely weird.

― Bored American Aerospace Defense Command (BORAD) (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 December 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago)

And also, speaking of Leviathan, Lurker of Chalice.

― Bored American Aerospace Defense Command (BORAD) (contenderizer), Thursday, 18 December 2008 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

Ambient/depressive BM kind of parallels dub already in its use of degraded recording and tons of reverb. Wrest seems to be making the link explicit,

― Soukesian, Thursday, 18 December 2008 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

― Soukesian, Thursday, 18 December 2008 21:46 (sixteen years ago)

Here's the Distance track

― bendy, Thursday, 18 December 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Nina Hagen also does this some on her Unbehagen EP from 1979 (and probably elsewhere), though mostly she seems to keep her dub and metal in separate songs. (Also, as far as I can tell, the word "African" in the title of her song "African Reggae" pretty much translates as "German".)

― xhuxk, Monday, 5 January 2009 14:58 (sixteen years ago)

Some early Therapy? stuff I'd argue fits into the Dub Metal category.

― Treblekicker, Monday, 5 January 2009 15:03 (sixteen years ago)

As Jordan said above, DUB TRIO !!! Wow, what a band.

― Daniel Giraffe, Monday, 5 January 2009 22:12 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

i may be high, but parts of dude's Black Shabbis may qualify here somewhat.

here's all i could find via u-tube:

― 51 SBs and there's nothing on (Ioannis), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 12:28 (sixteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Nazareth, "You Love Another" (on 2XS, 1982).

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 17:52 (fifteen years ago)

six months pass...

Would definitely place Basement 5's confusingly titled only album 1965 - 1980 (Antilles, 1981) in this genre, by the way. Sounds like Killing Joke's debut LP gone dub, basically -- which makes sense, given that the drummer used to be in Public Image Ltd. and the guitar player was a reggae guy, and dreadlocks were involved. Martin Hannett produced.

― xhuxk, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:34 (fifteen years ago)

eight months pass...

Live version of "Suffice To Say" (only live cut on LP, only cut recorded by Vic Maile and produced by the band, not Richard Gottehrer) on Yachts' 1979 debut S.O.S. fits here -- especially the section in the middle when they get all Iron Butterfly. (Apparently "Suffice To Say" was their first single on Stiff -- didn't know that until today. Not sure I've ever heard the original studio mix, which came out September 1977; the live version on the album was recorded late 1978.)

― xhuxk, Sunday, 27 February 2011 15:09 (fourteen years ago)

Nina Hagen also does this some on her Unbehagen EP

Spliff, Hagen's German backing band at the time, also mix some Police-type reggae with some metallic guitars on their awesomely catchy 1982 85555 LP (released as Emergency Exit under different cover art in the States), but I'm not sure they ever get into dub territory, per se'.

― xhuxk, Sunday, 27 February 2011 15:14 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

Actually thinking that "Humor Me," the last cut on Pere Ubu's The Modern Dance, might fit this genre more than anything on Dub Housing -- seems consciously reggae-influenced, too, especially given David Thomas's "it's just a joke, mon" fake Jamaican patois.

― xhuxk, Monday, 4 April 2011 22:04 (fourteen years ago)

Wait, what? Patois? I don't hear that at all!

― GLOWER METAL (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 04:28 (fourteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Thinking Rare Earth's 10-minute 1970 version of the Temptations' "(I Know) I'm Losing You" fits here, too, almost the same way the Chambers Bros' "Time Has Come Today" does (not in as extreme a way, but getting there.)

― xhuxk, Monday, 25 April 2011 02:49 (fourteen years ago)

three months pass...

"Soul Experience" and "Real Fright," both from Iron Butterfly's third LP Ball (1969) -- not much if any (even proto-) metal to be honest, but lots of accidental dub space in both, and "Real Fright" is especially intriguing given the very ska-like bassline/rhythm used through the entire song (which might be on purpose, of course, given that plenty of ska had already existed by 1969, and some had even hit in the States -- though Desmond Dekker's "Israelites" didn't chart in the U..S. until May of that year, three months after Ball did.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 4 August 2011 01:03 (fourteen years ago)

eight years pass...

Chemical People - "The Way We Die Now"

Tried to find it on youtube, starts around 6:07:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NGP59LT4k

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 June 2020 17:32 (five years ago)

(from 1990)

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 12 June 2020 17:33 (five years ago)

three years pass...

Slade's Cocky Rock Boys (Rule O.K.) (released '83 towards the end of their street metal phase) has a weird psych sfx-y dub breakdown in the manner of Whole Lotta Love/Get Down Make Love/Rocket.

Also from the same album, Ready to Explode - which is an absurd nine-minute speedy tune that gets slit into several pieces by several disorienting interludes with bumblebee swarm racing cars being commentated on in a hyperspace echo chamber, among other things.

Other tracks I feel fit the spirit of the thread in some way: The Offpsring's Hit That, XTC's Travels in Nihilon, Incubus' Magic Medicine and Calgone, Hendrix's 1983, P.O.D.'s Youth of the Nation

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 18 September 2023 17:44 (one year ago)

also another Queen one - Blurred Vision. Which has a great burbling acid house-ish bass.

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 18 September 2023 18:05 (one year ago)

I’ve really been feeling like I miss the early 00s lately but the hstencil/jess/chuck exchange in the first section of this thread flashed me back to the times when it seemed like every message board was like that and while they probably still are to some degree I realized maybe I don’t miss that era as much as I thought

― zacata, Monday, 18 September 2023 18:53 (one year ago)

I feel like Bill Laswell probably has loads of stuff that counts - both as a performer and a producer (esp in the 80s?) - but I haven't a clue what.

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 12:17 (one year ago)

God?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-27Cl8935bg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JxH1rWl7ts

Terminal Cheesecake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP2ltA9X1vw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HWar14MZmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NC29v3dU4o

(early) Scorn?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q5uIMgRBIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqo3-Qlb7j4

― atonar, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:59 (one year ago)

Maybe this, which another thread just reminded me of

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/new-age-doom-lee-scratch-perry/lee-scratch-perrys-guide-to-the-universe/

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 22:10 (one year ago)

seven months pass...

Skunk Anansie's Charlie Big Potato has a bit (at 3:39) where it was ordinarily lurch into the big industrial metal riffola riff but instead subsides into dubby waters

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:09 (one year ago)

would* ordinarily

― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 18:09 (one year ago)

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