"They had great potential!"

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Tell me about bands you think had what it took to achieve greatness, but bungled it for one reason or another (or bands who have yet to achieve the greatness they SHOULD have).

Inspired by listening to the Super Furry Animals' "Radiator" today. It's their only album that I'd still listen to. It's a near-classic, brimming with pop fizz and invention, and you felt that their masterpiece would definitely follow. Alas, all following efforts have been patchy and only fleetingly inspired.

The Beta Band must also be mentioned. "The Three EP's" was cool, if a tad overrated, but you knew the 'real' albums would deliver on the potential. Alas, their first to records were patchy, and overly polished (respectively).

Perhaps I'm being harsh measuring greatness in terms of making a "great album". Perhaps it is enough to make plenty of great music dotted over several releases. And a SFA best-of album WOULD be great. But something is slightly unsatisfying about their career so far.

Any acts you feel this way about? Tell me more...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 February 2003 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

3 eps is like being anally penetrated by a sexually confused train. i don't feel dis way about any acts dis way/all acts r liars + murderers.

alternate answer: i don't kno, killian, the one 'l' in yr name is an ultimate problem dat i can't face up 2, 2 da point wher yr threads r unanswerable. maybe i shd put a winkin smiley face after daT SENTENCE BUT fuck it. how r things anyway, in yr life, kil(l)ian, feel free to b inpersonal. (inpersonal?)

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 1 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

a rare spelling for sure, but hey, if it's good enough for St.Kilian...my life is good although tonight was disappointing because the low gig was cancelled, so instead i went to see "about schmidt" and it was even more disappointing then a cancelled gig: it sucks the shit out of a horses ass.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Flowered Up. as Keith Allen once remarked 'they couldve been Oasis...'

hm

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Campag Velocet. as Keith Allen once remarked 'they couldve been the new Oasis...'

hmm

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

About Scmidt refuses to bless Cork.

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

y do CV get an extra m + FU don't?

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, is there a chris in yr life who u luv?

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Missing Persons!

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

um. Anal imagery comes to mind on the 3EP's "Push It Out" for me, but that imagine is the antithesis of nasty n.a.s.'s description. And the self-titled album is probably my fave of theirs, just cause it's more straightforwardly silly and more vocal-oriented. Hot Shots II just sounded like ambient Sting to me the one or two times I listened to it (loved that Squares song though).

This is a toughie, cuz bands that have already broken up I usually tend to see them as "great" or "not great". It's hard to hear the potential in something that I already am aware of how far it would go.

BANDS THAT COULD UP THEIR POTENTIAL:

I think Bright Eyes has a great album in them yet (Desparecidos already has theirs), once he learns how to trim the indulgence from the insight. Unless Conor Oberst starts having too many years that are all the same and runs out of new things to say.

I still say that the Red Hot Chili Peppers are an editor away from a great album. Ten tracks that are rarely allowed to break 3 and a half minutes.

If Justin Timberlake didn't try so hard to be Usher and hooked back up with BT I think he might have something all-the-way-fun. Neptunes can play as long as someone else is there to inspire JT to say something more than "may I put my dick in that?"

Audioslave needs to replace Chris Cornell with Rod Stewart and then play a couple Faces/Rod Stewart-Mercury albums for inspiration. I cannot stress that enough. If I had three wishes this would come right after world peace and financial security for me and mine.

REM and Radiohead need to be denied access to Michael Stipe.

Sonic Youth needs to let Lee sing everything, and nobody is allowed to "talk" in that band again.

Mark Robinson needs to take his gifts and just SELL OUT.

Rob Zombie needs to listen to some old Alice Cooper and think about how he can work some social politics into that disco-metal shit. Imagine if he sang about A Clockwork Orange in a way that couldn't be mistaking for a car song.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:22 (twenty-two years ago)

who the fuck is Keith Allen..... isn't he that freeloader that leached off Damien Hirst?

maria b (maria b), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, re: SY and "talking" I meant speaking on a song, not interviews. They can say whatever they please there, I won't be reading.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

kilian - not much support for SFA coming from these here quarters either, 'm afeared ...well two years ago i decided to
give my (then-)colleagues-in-music-journalism the benefit of a doubt and see if 'Rings Around The World' truly was as beauteous as it was made out to be; honestly, to my ears it sounded, erm, pretty vacant
((alright, i'll put it again right now. ...done))

so, were was me... a-ha, instead of SFA's i was converted into a Gorky's Zygotic Mynci's far-away fan for a while - by a '97 chance encounter with their 'Barafundle'; that little shiny thingy pumped several zeppelin-fuls of elation, mirth and hot hope into me; making me muse, gleefully, "many a 'renowned' and 'classical' songwriter should turn pinkblueblack&yellow with envy hearing this"
(after which i went back and checked out 'Bwyd Time' - listened, shrugged, thought "okeh, they've grown in two years a lot")

and then - wot? the sad 'Gorky 5' - workmanlike & mediocre.
after which lots of my enthusi''' evaporated. perhaps too soon, dunno... yeh, they might still "have it", i s'pose
(('Rings Around' has reached track 6 ...and i've already heard quite a bit of Beach Boys and Beatles ...but where're SFA ...hm, '(A) Touch Sensitive' may be the best track so far...))

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 1 February 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Great suggestion, Anthony, about no one being allowed to talk in SY, but that's all Lee EVER does!

s woods, Saturday, 1 February 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Imagine if he sang about A Clockwork Orange in a way that couldn't be mistaking for a car song.

But surely that's the point. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 February 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm. i have a real problem with the idea of "great potential", for the simple reason that in so many texts about New Zealand music, writers just go on and on, "Imagine how great the Doublehappys would have become if Wayne Elsey hadn't died". which MAY have been true, but then they proceed to say absolutely NOTHING about Look Blue Go Purple (unless its to mention that they were an all-female band). I mean nobody sayd of LBGP, "Imagine how great they would have become if they hadn't broken up!" it pisses me off. i guess this isn't so much a problem with the idea of potential as much as (yet another) grumbling about blahblah.

Sonic Youth needs to let Lee sing everything, and nobody is allowed to "talk" in that band again.

haha you didn't have to amend that, anthony, i wish they wouldn't talk, EVER! (NB i like ye olde sonic youth)

di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 1 February 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

SFA Radiator = potential
SFA Mwng = potential fulfilled

And RATW deserves a better reception: yes, it evokes Beach Boys here, Beatles there, but it's full of well-crafted, well-performed songs. Best track is Run Christian Run, which suffers from a title that screams "throwaway novelty track" when in fact it's beautiful and substantial.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 1 February 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the beatles!

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 1 February 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

sun city girls: been waiting for a proper follow up to "torch of the mystics" now for, what... ten years?

Dr. Annabel Lies (Michael Kelly), Saturday, 1 February 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I know that many hate them around here, but I have to say that At the Drive-In really fucked up. I whipped out Vaya,In Casino Out and the other day and Goddamn, they really had something going. The potential for greatness was always there even in the earlier records, but by the time of "Relationship..." they had really honed their sound into something rather sharp. And after that...they split. Such a firey band going out on an anti-climax. It's a crying ass shame that they couldn't keep it together.

I think that Sparta's o.k. and so is The Mars Volta, but It's just not the same. I hate it when good bands lose their shit. It's depressing...

Brenya, Saturday, 1 February 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"Karen Coltrane", "Wish Fulfillment"= Lee singz!

"Hey Joni", "Skip Tracer"= ehhh....ugghhh...gee....ok, maybe they should only let JIM sing.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 February 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

re: GZM ... it is enough for me to have the song "face like summer" from the blue trees EP ... to these ears one of the finest ever written.

ed horrox (girl_afraid), Saturday, 1 February 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The Contortions. One of the greatest bands I ever heard live, but Eno mixed them onto tissue paper for No New York, which is still the closest you get on record to what they were. And Off White and Buy the Contortions got messed up with overdubs and wrong ideas, and just wasn't them (though the "wrong" ideas were somewhat interesting, and those two LPs give a sense of the whole potential of music c. 1979, a willingness to try anything without devolving into mere experimentalism). And the band members didn't get along, and poof! breakup!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 1 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Joy Division are the obvious one.

Callum (Callum), Saturday, 1 February 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Putting obscure local bands aside for a moment:


Eric Dolphy (Coltrane learned more from him than anyone...Dolphy might have been able to push free jazz beyond mere 'energy music,' and thereby prevented the fusion disaster in the 70s)
Jimi Hendrix (I don't think he would have pulled a Santana and stagnated, and who knows what kind of crazy pedals would have been invented with his input)
The Screamers (Wrong place at the wrong time?)
Nick Drake (What would he have produced if he were able to musically exorcise his demons instead of be consumed by them?)
John Lennon (Another great song-writer who would have potentially evolved with the times instead of being stuck rehashing his past)

I'm sure there are more that none of us ever got a chance to hear about.

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.clashmagazine.com/flowered-up-return/

mark e, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

Levitation.

The first 2 eps and "squirrel" single showed a band that could really have gone in any number of fascinating directions, and Dave Francolini was an incredible drummer.

But they'd lost it by the first album, which was as vapid as the vapour in a vapour chamber.

PhilK, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

Television

One immortal debut, an "eh" follow-up, then a dull comeback record 14 years later. They should have had a much better career.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

i'm generally not a pink floyd fan, with the exception of "piper at the gates of dawn", so i'll go with syd barrett-era pink floyd. imagine if he hadn't gone nuts?

Emily Bjurnhjam, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

BADLY DRAWN BOY

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 30 August 2007 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

Campag Velocet.

pft, Thursday, 30 August 2007 07:52 (eighteen years ago)

I mean nobody sayd of LBGP, "Imagine how great they would have become if they hadn't broken up!"

I do. I LOVED those three EPs. Perhaps the 3Ds (with Denise Roughan) provide us with a clue.

mike a, Thursday, 30 August 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Bis. Social Dancing suggested a viable route beyond the youth-oriented sloganeering, but the next couple of CDs were all too dull - or perhaps outstripped their abilities at the time, who knows.

I agree with Nick Drake, although I wonder if we'd have actually heard much from him afterwards. Perhaps he would have made a Roky-style comeback after antidepressants became more effective and less narcotic. I don't know. It's hard to imagine a 60-year-old Nick Drake.

mike a, Thursday, 30 August 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

Bishop Allen.

sean gramophone, Thursday, 30 August 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

House of Love should have been U2 big (and the world would have been a better place for it).

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 30 August 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

Super Furry Animals have fulfilled all of their artistic potential, only people haven't noticed.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 31 August 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)


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