Just what exactly is/was the appeal of Jethro Tull?

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I was listening to them, and trying really hard to figure out what exactly was original or legacy-conducive. This is not a knock against them, i'm just curious.

JOOLS, Saturday, 1 February 2003 04:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

JOOLS - what exactly were you listening, from what time?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 1 February 2003 04:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been pondering this one for decades now.

William R Henderson (Cabin Essence), Saturday, 1 February 2003 05:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Just what exactly was the appeal of Jethro Tull?"

It's all just a matter of taste. I turn on a JT album
and I like what I hear. YMMV

If you want specifics, I like the vocals, the guitar,
the drums, the writing, the production, just about
everything. They've had a dud song every now and then,
of course, and many dud albums (Heavy Horses and
later, basically). As for legacy-conducive; hmm.
They have a lot of fans, but I don't know if they have
much of a legacy, per se. I hear very little of
them in modern artists.

As for originality, well, they had it in spades, for
short while, anyway.

Squirl_Police, Saturday, 1 February 2003 05:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tull was the only so called "progressive band" that actually could write good songs. They had the chops as well, but rarely let that get in the way of putting forth a decent melody or catchy riff. Though I must admit that I have outgrown listening to them throughout the years. I do recall really thinking highly of their overall sense of using British folk music as their basic building block. The early stuff was boring blues rock, but they definitely started making good albums with Minstrel in the Gallery.
And Heavy Horses is a good album. That one, Songs from the Wood and Stormwatch rank as the only three I would still bother to listen to these days. I doubt that the others have aged very well, but I could be wrong.

bahtology, Saturday, 1 February 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ian Anderson's big flute.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 1 February 2003 13:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Codpieces.

kate, Saturday, 1 February 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

one of my best friends in college was a big-time Tull fan. oddly, he was also the one who turned me on to Sonic Youth, Big Black, and My Bloody Valentine. since his tastes were so good, i could never figure out his love for Tull -- though, to be fair, i could never turn him on to Zappa, so fair's fair i suppose.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 1 February 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think their well-cultivated image - longhaired English "gentlemen", the hoopy antics of Ian Anderson, concept albums and pastoral themes - influenced me and many of my peers not to like them. I thought they looked stupid, and too many dull hippies liked them, so I wrote them off. A more recent critical listen has convinced me I shouldn't have been so sweeping, some of their stuff is really quite good. Remove the sometimes-insufferable lyrics, and it's nearly all good. I hate flutes (as a rule), too, so this is high praise from me. I recently heard Ian Anderson do a radio promo spot against some kind of leg blood-clot disorder he's apparently been struck with. Perhaps he should have hopped on the OTHER leg, too.

matt riedl (veal), Saturday, 1 February 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really disagree with bahthology. Not that I'm an expert, but from what I've listened to, JT seem to me to have been the least musically accomplished, least consistent, and most repetitive of the mainstream prog bands. (I don't know ELP beyond two or three songs though). That said, I do find most of their big hits enjoyable enough when I hear them. They had their own sound. Obviously dated but they could sort of achieve a pied-piper-relating-tale-of-doom kind of mood - a combo of the voice, the tunes and riffs, and the arrangements. "Aqualung" might pull it off the best - it is a classic riff.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 1 February 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jethro Tull = Classic 70's hard rock

I never really saw JT as a prog band (alas having 2 albums w/ whole-side opuses), because they really went more for the feeling than the performance. Their roots are in blues, but this is only obvious on their first two albums; Jethro Tull became a power blues-folk-rock, (not unlike Led Zeppelin on many occasions) mainly because of Martin Barre, which replaced the original guitarist w/ blues background. Barre had a wider approach, and a taste for medieval instruments and melodies, which broadened their musical scope. (Tony Iommi was one of the candidates for the position that Barre got! Imagine the world today if Iommi went Tull instead of Sabbath...)

Golden Period: anything from Benefit to Songs from the Wood (though Warchild and Too Old... are a bit weaker than the rest). Some later stuff is good as well.


JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Sunday, 2 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pussywillow... down fur-lined avenue!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: "Bungle in the Jungle"

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Steeleye Span + Phish = JT

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

i know that still doesn't exactly explain it

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

*cringing at mention of "Pussywillow"*

tom (other one), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

*cringing and shivering again, a couple of minutes later, from mention of "Pussywillow"*

tom (other one), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

let me bring you songs from the wood! to make you feel much better than you could, er, know! LET ME, DAMMIT!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

" Steeleye Span + Phish = JT "
" i know that still doesn't exactly explain it "

Tracer -- the S'Span part surely computes to a degree, whereas the Phish-y aspect (imo) doesn't, especially regarding J'Tull's studio recordings.
and even JT live... i've no clear idea what was their stage act in former days, i've seen JT in concert just once, in '91, and then it was definitely a 'presenting greatest hits' affair, with no indulgent jammin' in sight ...dunno.

..."the appeal of JT" - certain rhythmic elements and turns of melody, and the overall sound of of their non-rockin' pieces'n'passages definitely related (at least for my fifteen-year-old-self, decades ago) to some stuff i was hearing at the performances of certain early music consorts at that time (Hortus Musicus, eg.)

there seem to be one or two (rarely 3 or 3,5) decent tracks on also later records (and "Nothing@All" was a smart *song title*), but basically it's not quite worth bothering with stuff from early eighties onward

'Stand Up', tho, is a classic JT album of the very early years

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

JP Almeida speaks the truth!! They were an excellent hard rock band, at least on Aqualung. "Locomotive Breath","My God" and "Hymn 43" especially. And they had that one bummer Xmas song I used to play to annoy my parents around the holidays. They were big on organized religion-bashing--very appealing to the teenage lapsed Catholic!

And "Teacher" from Benefit is good and cranky, as well. Plus you can go-go dance to it. Never really listened to them much after Thick as a Brick, though. I think it was around that time that the word "pretentious" started showing up in record reviews constantly.

Now I have to hear that "Pussywillow" song.

Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have Stand Up. "New Day Yesterday" is the only song I could really be bothered to preserve from that album. Arthur's praise does make me a bit more curious about them though.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I said Phish mainly because the lyrics always sounded like total A-1 gobbledygook to me

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

I *adore* Thick as a Brick. Haven't heard any of the others.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

" I *adore* Thick as a Brick. Haven't heard any of the others. "

jim -- i think i might've uttered something very similar (tho inna different language) sometime in '75 when i first heard Th'asa'Br...
the next one to come my way, accidentally, was War Child (didn't catch my fancy then nor later, as an album, but "Skating Away On The Thin Ice Of A New Day" me liked)

anyhoo, if Th'a Brick's yer thing, jim, you could as well give a spin to A Passion Play (they're kinda 'of a pair', Play is from one year later, also recorded as - more'o'less - one continuous piece, but sounding sorta more sombre)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

You can't beat a "Heavy Metal Flute" solo! Everytime I here Aqualung I can't help but giggle.

Hayden (Hayden), Monday, 3 February 2003 03:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've always heard that Jethro's early (pre-Aqualung)
stuff was "boring blues." Their first album may have been
(I never heard it), but their second album _Stand Up_,
is really good. There's some great songs on there, and
there's a couple of blues-influenced instrumentals, but
their still quite original and listenable.
_Benefit_ is mostly boring, though.

Squirrel_Police, Monday, 3 February 2003 05:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Definitely best doing Thick As A Brick live. One of the better concept albums of the time, and an amazing live set, bringing out Ian's devilish sense of humour. At least he could laugh at himself rather more than most of the prog-rockers of that era.

Pabulum, Monday, 3 February 2003 17:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.collecting-tull.com/Articles/picture10.jpg

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why do I already fear the Photoshopping results?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 19:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

In addition to being just about the single most entertaining rock act around that doesn't need a mosh pit, you've got to give Tull some mad props. To be honest I've always been more fond of their early stuff (everything past Thick As A Brick, including that one, is a bit of a mixed bag), but here's a short summation of why they're so popular and hell, a good rock band:

- Flute and other unusual instrumentaion.
- Great blues chops.
- They're English! Everyone loves them!
- Only prog rock band to make a great song (in this case, take your pick of anything off Aqualung)
- Pact with the Devil

Stiv (Stiv), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 02:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Speaking of "mad props," I chuckled a couple years ago when "Living in the Past" showed up on one of those forgotten-funk-chill-out-classics-from-the-seventies comilations (a Keb Debarge release, maybe?).

I always felt Anderson had a cynical, vaguely punk side to him--tho' maybe I gleaned that after reading that he was a big Ian Dury fan.

s woods, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 02:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been wondering this for a while too, I like them a lot and would have to agree with bahtology that they could write good songs AND were progressively rocking it out.

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 03:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aqualung, Brick, Minstrel -- all classic. Living in the Past is the best, though. But it's best to get an old vinyl release of that somewhere if you can (it's got a keen booklet! really!). I got ripped off buying a CD version that, due to lack of space, doesn't include the hit (Teacher) or their best song ever (Bouree). It pisSES ME OFF.

Oh, their appeal. Riffs, git-solos, flaut-solos, and, uh, wood sprites.

weatheringdaleson (weatheringdaleson), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 07:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

The tights, man.... the tights!

Tingting, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 23:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...
http://www.j-tull.co.uk/Discography/JT-tooold.jpg

I bought this recently, because clearly it is appealing. At first I thought it was shit, but just looking at the sleeve made me realise it clearly couldn't be shit, and hey ho, now I quite like it.

I think j-tull.com are a bit like the Stranglers, in the sense that they really don't fit with prog bands, in the same way the Stranglers don't fit with punks; it's quite their own thing.

I saw a video of them recently, playing in 1977, a thing that was on the BBC at the time, presented by Whispering Bob Harris, which is pretty amazing. For all this, I thought Thick as a Brick (the album, not the song) was a bunch of arse and I got A Passion Play the other day too, which seems pretty arse too. I tend to go for some of that prog rock nonsense too.

Keith, Monday, 9 April 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i feel like lots of "jazzy house" = is more "jethro tull house" than "jazz"

deej, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"ooh, another flute solo!"

deej, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

they did all this jokey "theatrical" stuff when I saw em play live in the 70s, involving band members dressed as rabbits and ian acrobating around on one leg. people sat thru that and the huffinpuffin flute solos for the guitar riffs.

m coleman, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I assume you see this as a major plus point...

Keith, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

hell no

m coleman, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man!

Keith, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Jethro Tull's appeal was that Ian Anderson was not Rahsaan Roland Kirk.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

In this BBC thing I saw, he's dressed as a bit of a country gent, with a red, sort of bowler hat on. It looks pretty cool. A bit like a kind of rural droog.

x-post.

Keith, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

http://sjc-static6.sjc.youtube.com/vi/71HWIMV-5sU/2.jpg

Keith, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I think JT/Ian went a bit folksy/rustic as the 70s wore on but for awhile there they were big on the arena rock circuit.

m coleman, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I think so... In truth, I don't much like the kind of prog stuff between Aqualung and Songs from the Wood, to varying degrees anyway. I wish I did.

Keith, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Thick as a Brick (the album, not the song)

uh, and the difference is what exactly

electricsound, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

As I remember, another 40 odd minutes of prog rock...

Keith, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the early blooze rock days. and the early folky roy harper-ish stuff too. aqualung is pretty much the only album from later that i would want to hear.

freek folke tull:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8nakHEYFbI

scott seward, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Thick as a Brick (the album, not the song)

uh, and the difference is what exactly


Well, it could be argued, tho not necessarily by me since I'm too lazy to dig it out and read through it all again, not to mention being totally unqualified that the "newspaper" included with the orig. Thick As A Brick is Ian Anderson's REAL tour-de-force.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 9 April 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

it's something when an artist's most honest and compelling song is called "bungle in the jungle" and it's not a funk instrumental. I love the way Ian sings "bungle" in that song--I mean Peter Gabriel in Africa has nothing on Tull here, and Tull did it first. I also like the idea of a bunch of stoners in Mansfield, Ohio walking around saying "Tull, man, Tull" in reference to the orig. Tull who invented some seed drill or something--the groovy old stoner farmer/inventors, man. That was the counterculture and that was cool.

whisperineddhurt, Monday, 9 April 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I never really did care for "Aqualung". "Thick as a Brick", on the other hand, is one of my all-time favorite albums. I quite like "Minstrel in the Gallery" and "Songs from the Wood", too.

Overall, I think Tull was/is much more successful when they're doing the "folk" thing instead of the "hard/prog rock" thing. By the time of "Heavy Horses", though, even the folk angle was pretty played out.

I think I'm going to have to go play "Thick as a Brick" right now...

novaheat, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Tull who invented some seed drill or something

I thought he was the lead singer of the Wurzels.

Keith, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

But I will have to listen to 'Thick as a Brick' again, after what people have said. I only listened to it once.

Keith, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"To Cry You a Song" off Benefit is fucking classic

the rest you can keep

Hans Rott, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I am listening to this, right now, but I can't believe you only like 1 of their songs! Even on that record, surely Inside, and For Michael Collins, Jeffrey from Rainbow and Me, do it for you!

Keith, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I like it when they play "Locomotive Breath" on the radio with the opening piano bit.

C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know how they managed to get established in the first place, I mean, those early albums give me nothing at all. For most of the 70s there were touches of brilliance all the time though.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Aqualung, Thick as a Brick and (especially) Songs from the Wood are all classics to me. Stormwatch and the underrated A also have some pretty great moments.

Joe, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I really like Aqualung too, whatever I may have said upthread.

Sundar, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Jethro Tull was, along with the Who, the first group I really got into. Their initial appeal: I was 12, and he said "snot" on the radio. That, and they were good for playing D&D along to. But like the Who, they were ambitious/pretentious/impressive without being as humorless and precious as Yes or other FM staples. I really liked concept albums at that age. Their sense of humor and sarcastic bent was part of their appeal. Just previous to getting into hard rock, I was really into Celtic music, and they seemed like a bridge to that for me.

I bought or borrowed just about everything until I discovered London Calling in 1983.

Just checked my vinyl stacks. All that I have left is Stand Up and Living in the Past, and even those I don't think I've played in more than 10 years. Those were the only two I continued to play in my punk years- Stand Up bounces across a bunch of styles, lots of interesting folky chromatics, and reminded me of the White Album then, tho' I can hardly sense that now. Living in the Past strikes me as proto-twee (jam sarnies!), collecting a lot of their lighter, wittier songs and mostly avoiding the grandiose.

I really wanted to like Heavy Horses and Songs from the Woods, Anderson's most overtly Celtic records, but even then, they struck me as weak in the songwriting department. I recall liking echoing power chords that closed out the first side of Thick as a Brick. Just about all the albums had some good stuff, but he'd get too mannered and high-concept and it wouldn't cohere. Except Passion Play. Even in the height of my fandom, I don't think I could make it through that one. I adored Minstrel in the Gallery. Wouldn't mind hearing that one again.

bendy, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I consider "A Passion Play" their greatest moment. Even greater than the more famous earlier concept albums.

But then, I like Genesis and Yes more, and I guess they never got musically closer to Genesis and Yes than on that particular album :)

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

revising Hans Rott's opinion to state that the rest of Benefit is also good, although when Anderson is trying to ahem MAKE A POINT he becomes very quickly intolerable (he pretty much ruins "Son," an otherwise terrific tune with a really puzzling audible tape edit at one point)

it's kind of gratifying to be enjoying this record so much right now - on vinyl, it was the first record I ever bought with my own money (23 cents in the bargain bin at Rhino when it was a shack on 2nd)

J0hn D., Monday, 27 August 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Weird, I clearly remember posting to this thread last time it was revived...

Anyway, for me it's the post-prog pop trilogy of Songs From The Wood, Heavy Horses, Stormwatch. And Minstrel, though it's kinda the transition between the concept albums and the concise stuff.

Jon Lewis, Monday, 27 August 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Their initial appeal: I was 12, and he said "snot" on the radio. That, and they were good for playing D&D along to. But like the Who, they were ambitious/pretentious/impressive without being as humorless and precious as Yes or other FM staples. I really liked concept albums at that age.
Exactly why I liked 'em at that age (12-15). The musical equivalent of Peter O' Toole in The Ruling Class.

Bob Standard, Monday, 27 August 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Honestly, though, who didn't like pretentious concept albums at that age?

Join me as Tommy meets Ziggy Stardust by The Wall and The Lamb Lies Down on Braw-aw-aw-aw-aw-aw-dway!

JN$OT, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link


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