Xtina's Beautiful Video -- How great is this?

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Langorous production like the best of 90s alterna-ballads, genuinely affecting without a "ooh lookit the freaks" quality OR a "sanitized" feel.

Xtina is what Courtney could nevah be, eh?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

A skanky robo-ho?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I like that she looks so terribly cracked out in it, and she's emoting in that terribly dank apartment. Also, good for some nice boy-on-boy action. Christina is really pushing for that drug-addicted fag hag image.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually rather like the song as well. The structure of the song is obviously trying to echo 1950s ballads.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I gotta say I prefer Dirrty as a song, this one doesn't seem to have much of a kick. Mind you, I have only heard it through tinny cable TV (there is something wrong with the sound on the Box).

jel -- (jel), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"I think we should have a video where it shows ugly people, to let them know they're not ugly"
"Great idea. Tom, get on the phone, call up 'Show Me The Ugly Talent Co.'"


"Okay, everybody take your places. Where are my uglies? Shooting starts in 5 minutes people."

Oops (Oops), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Both singles are great (but I think I've said this before). I'm not sure if I approve of the video because of the anorexic girl, but I realize that that was the point.

(The preceding post would have fucking slayed me if it had said "Where my uglies at?")

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm kinda confused at some of the messages the video is trying to convey. I mean, I understand the part about how you should feel good about yourself and not give a wing-nut about what others may think/say, but in the context of the girl with pronounced anorexia nervosa, isn't that a bit of an irresponsible statement?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Large chunks of the video are spent criticizing what people expect you to look like (hence the girl throwing fashion magazines into the fireplace). I think the intent isn't so much that the anorexic girl looks good the way she is as much as it is she shouldn't have been allowed to get to where she was in the first place.

At least, that was my take.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it would've been better if instead of two young hot boys kissing, it was a couple of bears.

teeny (teeny), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually rather like the song as well. The structure of the song is obviously trying to echo 1950s ballads.

How so?

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah the anorexic girl is seriously creepy but I agree with Dan.

And that's some serious gay tongue action going on.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Real bears?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't seen this yet but i remember somebody posting the casting call for it, and the punk character was the only one where they didn't say something like "MUST be a STRONG actor" so my question is did the punk, like, screw up his lines or what?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

All the punk had to do was sit on a bus and look wispy.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

feh. TLC's "Unpretty" stole a melody from Hanson's "mmmbop" and had more drama, even if it didn't so desparately try to shove the dirrty beautifulness of it all in your face. Plus, TLC in some weird-ass mosque/temple/whatever floating around is cooler than Xtina in a shit-stained room. Like duh.

Anybody not pick up that MTV thinks gays, punx, lesbians, anorexics, robo-ho's, etc. are people too? Sorry, the "theme" of this video feels super-redundant after all those true life specials and sex docs. I'd give props to Vanessa Carlton and Michelle Branch's discovery that growing maturity doesn't mean increasingly frank sex-obsession, but they suck.

Also, she still (fittingly) sings like a Star Search contestant. She's a fine disco diva but the slow stuff...If you're gonna trill...trill happy! Play this girl some Donna Summer.

I don't get the nobody-will-sit-next-to-mohawk-guy-on-bus scene. I thought the whole POINT of dressing absurdly aggro was that people get upset and scared. You're clothes are supposed to challenge our middle class values, dude. Don't get all sniffly if Granny won't sit next to you! He took Lydon's "We Only Wanted To Be Loved" moans on "Fodderstompf" waaaaay too seriously.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, if people were cowering in fear or revulsion from mr. punk he'd probably be smiling.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm in complete agreement with Anthony on this. Hated the song, the video = crap afterschool special, and Xtina herself is just so nothing. Another Linda Perry ballad to damn the soul and quench interest in living.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you Anthony & Ned for so eloquently describing my feelings on the subject.

dek1, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I know the bald drag queen, he's from my hometown. He used to be a Mapplethorpe model. His life isn't so very sad, I don't think. He works the door at Bar Marmont these days.

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

WHERE ARE THE ASSLESS CHAPS???

jm (jtm), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

She's assless beneath her clothes.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

He's angry on the outside, but sad and lonely on the inside Anthony.

The punk I mean.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)

This video needed the plushies from the Dirrty video kissing - they're beautiful too, gawddammit!

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This video would be great if it took place at a Star Trek convention. They're beautiful no matter what you say.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Like I said.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You know, singing like a Star Search contestant is not a bad thing. And I find it really fucking aggravating when people seem to think that there is.

I refuse to give credence to an opinion that (in my eyes) states that the ability to forcefully deliver a tune is the mark of a BAD singer.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they mean the person goes over the top and pays no attention to the actual lyrics they are singing: no matter what the words mean, they sing every song the same way. It's kinda like watching someone tune-up.

Oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay.

CHRISTINA DOESN'T DO THAT.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the ability to forcefully deliver a tune is the mark of a BAD singer

I'll admittedly agree, an overstatement. But it conversely doesn't mean that said singer will still connect with a listener because of said ability (though we've had this conversation before...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, we have.

I will admit that part of my ire comes from the fact that I'm a singer who has had some training and my entire performance context is in an arena that DEMANDS technical proficiency; my entire background is going to cause me to rate vocal proficiency higher than the average listener.

Having said that, the thing that struck me about _Stripped_ more than anything else is that Christina's showboating tendencies were refocused in service of the songs she sings on the album rather than just as a platform to showboat her vocal talents (which is precisely what ruined every single she released between "Genie In A Bottle" and "Dirrty"). I can completely understand not being overly impressed by the songwriting on _Stripped_ because a lot of it is pedestrian and uninvolving. HOWEVER, Christina sings the shit out of every single song on that album and delivers everything with more conviction than I would have thought possible. (Compare to the new Craig David single, which is so phoned in I want to punch the radio every time I hear it.) Her performance is so strong that the songs where the songwriting/arrangement IS interesting ("Dirrty", "Make Over", "Beautiful", "Walk Away"), she's just phenomenal.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

delivers everything with more conviction

Sort of the trick, though, isn't it? Are we judging conviction on some sort of fixed scale as heard in the performance or...? I mean, I'm taking it to say that 'conviction' doesn't necessarily have to equal 'intensity,' since otherwise it would always be the loudest singer and the loudest band and so forth to get credit when comes to technical training and delivery.

A strong performance surrounded by weak everything else = ultimately a failure for me, maybe a small one and maybe a huge one. But either way it's a case of 'what's the point?' It's a bit like the whole Eminem/Eric Clapton thing I was outlining last year -- yes, they're technically gifted, but there's nothing else I find interesting or compelling, there's no there there. I can't even take "Beautiful" on a campy level, I read it as too earnest, too x = x.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not equating conviction with intensity or else I would have said intensity. I mean, I know I don't always say exactly what I mean to say and I sometimes allude to points rather than state them directly, but I'd like to think I'm more precise than that, Ned.

The way that she sings the songs on her new album speaks to me beyond technical proficiency. I get a strong sense that she is very connected with what she's singing, something you couldn't really say about "Lady Marmalade" or "Come On Over". Part of it is the fact that she varies how she approaches each song; in "Dirrty" she holds back most of the power of her voice except for the chorus, while "Beautiful" is crooned throughout except for the bridge and "Make Over" features the most muscular singing on the album (and no melismania).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to think I'm more precise than that, Ned.

And you are. :-)

This is starting to remind me of the Madonna thread now, though, in that there's a question over how the artist treats the material and how that is interpreted. You're catching a connection I'm not necessarily feeling here, but we're both down on some songs and an album that Vic et al are worshipping for being all about Madonna's gift for connection/conviction/ability to portray something. Having heard the album a couple of times, I'll grant you Xtina might (might!) well honestly feel something strong about the songs, but that's still not enough for me -- if you want a comparison, consider dear ol' Rage Against the Machine. There's a case where clearly Zac was connected with his material but it inspired nothing in me but cool, clear and unalloyed hate.

The point about variety in approach is well taken, though. Is "Make Over" that one freaked out moment where everything happens at once? Best song on the album because it pureed the album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I point you guys to the later period of Billie Holiday...her voice is practically shot, but it doesn't matter.

Oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's the (alleged) casting for the video, I can't vouch for its validity.

CASTING:

Christina Aguilera music video ''Beautiful''
Director: Jonas Akerlund
Interview Date(s): Tuesday-TOMORROW (11/5) and through the week !!!!
Shoot Date(s): Friday and Saturday 11/8 & 11/9 (MOST ACTORS WORK ONE DAY ONLY)
Shoot Location: LA
Pay Rate: SEE BELOW

Submission Instructions: NO E-MAIL SUBMISSIONS PLEASE!!!


PIX AND RESUMES IMMEDIATELY-
HURRY, HURRY, HURRY TO:

xxx xxxxx

This song is a ballad..the scenes that accompany Christina's performance footage will all be beautiful vignettes....all different types of COMPELLING people, in many different situations, going from feeling their own personal sadness to realizing that they, and their life, are truly "Beautiful".....These roles ALL require excellent actors.

Actors will be asked to lip synch a little bit of the song at their audition....some actors will also be asked to cry on cue. Please have them come prepared. Christina's album is already in the stores it's called "Stripped"."

Jonas Akerlund is the multi-award winning director of
Madonna's "Ray of Light" and U2 "Beautiful Day" videos and the FEATURE FILM "SPUN" ....and the list goes on!

ROLES:

Teenage Girl with Braces: ALL ETHNICITIES - TEENS.....She is beautiful, compelling and interesting, MUST BE A STRONG
ACTOR and MUST HAVE BRACES!! $350 + 20%/DAY

Mom of Teen Girl: All ethnicities- 33-45...She is beautiful, compelling and interesting...must be a strong actor!! $350 +
20%/12 hour DAY

Anorexic Girl/Woman: All ethnicities 16-35.....Must be extraordinarily skinny.....must look anorexic....must be a strong actor!!! $350 + 20%/12 hour DAY

Mexican Man: 42-55....he is expressive and compelling...must be a strong actor. $350 + 20%/12 hour DAY

Hip-Edgy-Sexy STRAIGHT Couple: 18-27, male and female
ALL ETHNICITIES...don't have to be a real couple...DO HAVE
TO BE hip, edgy, sexy, beautiful, and completely comfortable passionately kissing a person of the opposite sex in the video.
Must be a strong actor!!! $350 + 20%/12 hour day

Hip-Edgy-Sexy GAY MALE Couple: 18-30, ALL
ETHNICITIES....don't have to be a real couple...DO HAVE TO
BE hip, edgy, sexy, beautiful, and completely comfortable passionately kissing a person of the SAME sex in the video.
Must be a strong actor!!! $350 + 20%/12 hour day

30-something GUY: (30's) ALL ETHNICITIES He is very handsome, hip and cool. The guy who loves to go out and have a great time on a Saturday night....but, parties a little too hard. Must be a strong actor! $350 + 20%/12 hour day

Older Woman: 50-85. She is beautiful with an incredibly interesting face. She has seen many years and many things...extremely expressive and excellent actor here is mandatory!! $350 + 20%/12 hour day

Thin Teenage Boy: 13-18...He is slightly awkward but still really adorable and kind of cool in his own way...he works out, ''pumps iron'' trying to build his physique..must be a strong actor!! $350 + 20%/12 hour day

Street-Hooker: 27-40...All ethnicities...She has fallen on hard times (duh, she's a hooker).....once very beautiful, her looks have become somewhat worn and faded....$350 + 20%/12 hour day

White Trash Shop Clerk: 40-55, Caucasian... FEMALE...not a
charicture, not comedy...think ''Gummo'' or ''Bully''...works at a truck stop.....from the ''armpit'' of Florida so to speak...$350 + 20%/12 hour day

White Trash Dad: 40-55, Caucasian, not a charicature, not comedy...must be a strong actor....from the ''armpit'' part of
Florida so to speak. $350 + 20%/12 hour day

Hip-Hop Guys: 18-25, Male, All ethnicities....They are
urban,young, hip, with total hip hop style...must be strong actors.... $350 + 20%/12 hour day

Punk Rocker: Male or Female, early 20's.....Hard core....spiked hair or something equally Punk Rock...no fakers no fauxhawks....want the ''real deal''....good actor hugely helpful!
$350 + 20%/12 hour day

Lesbian Women: 40's, all ethnicities....should appear instantly ''feminist''...I know not all feminists are Lesbian, TRULY I DO...but do you get what we're going for here? Thanks! Strong actors a must!!$350 + 20%/12 hour day

Christina Aguilera ''Stand-in'': 18-29....Looking for a very close visual match... will get her exact measurements ASAP...but, check out one of the thousands of photos of her on line if you don't know what she looks like...she's very petite!!! $200 +
20%/per 12 hour day

stephen. s (yaye), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Is "Make Over" that one freaked out moment where everything happens at once? Best song on the album because it pureed the album.

Yeah, that's the one, and if "Dirrty" isn't the best song on the album, "Make Over" is.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

We are in perfect agreement -- at least on these two songs. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I like "Beautiful" quite a lot. The simple, descending piano chords are very John Lennon ("Imagine," "Jealous Guy"). The singing is early Mariah Carey, back when Mariah listened to gospel and gave a shit about how her voice sounded ("Vision of Love," "Vanishing"). The lyrics are '70s in a way I can't quite articulate -- it's this esteem-building "Children's Television Workshop goes to the ghetto" vibe, this For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide/When the Rainbow Is Enuf/The Wiz/A Hero Ain't Nothin' But a Sandwich thing.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think dismissing the sentiment expressed in "Beautiful" as naive misses the point that it's still a good sentiment to live your life by.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not dismissing it. It's great.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, I was unclear. I was agreeing with you and launching another argument at Ned and Anthony.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

There's something kind of viscous about her voice on this song that bugs me, but it's really very good isn't it! (I finally saw the video and am totally with Alex in NYC on it.)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a difference to be made between agreeing completely with a sentiment and thinking that a particular expression of said sentiment can be more than a little too cheesed-out, sugary, whatever for your own personal tastes. And given that you and JBR and I are all cynics, Dan, I'm sure you understand. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Which two songs were the decent ones on Craid David's new album, Dan?

Stuart, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I couldn't tell you, Stuart; after getting burned on _Fill Me In_, I'm not ever shelling out money for Craig David product again.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh. Fill Me In was better than the new one, so don't bother.

Stuart, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Craig David is a hella weak singer yeah, but his MCing is great I think. Have you heard his trax with the artful dodger Dan?

On Xtina -- I agree with tracer that there's something almost scary in her conviction, terribly egotistical, but that's part of what makes the song great.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I just downloaded it, Sterl. It's... well, it's better than "Walking Away" and "What's Your Flavor?"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"are you ready" is good and i mean "rewind" is undeniable.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"This video is dedicated to every stereotype ever... We'll always be there to support you!"

Curtis Stephens, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

...genuinely affecting without a "ooh lookit the freaks" quality...
What...like the video for Aerosmiths "Pink"?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Curtis is dead-on. The video for this is nauseating. As someone I was watching it with pointed out "oh, those beautiful gay models really need to be assured of how beautiful they are!"

dan fitz, Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd argue that the gay couple and the girl throwing fashion magazines in the fireplace are there as examples of people who already know how beautiful they are.

At any rate, the entire "Xtina is hammering home the MTV party line on tolerance" argument is somewhat silly because nobody on MTV (besides tATu) is making videos feature gay makeout sessions, let alone paired with mae/female body image self-loathing, punk isolationism and overweight people getting pummelled bloody.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, Dan, sounds like you just described an episode of Jackass to me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody on MTV NOW perhaps. Didn't Madonna cover some of this stuff eons ago? Not that that invalidates X-Tina's use, but I still think Curtis is getting at something above. The whole thing comes across as self-congratulatory feel-goodism, and the people are more like italicized symbols of gay "culture." And it takes itself so SERIOUSLY.

dan fitz, Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, I don't even know where to begin with that statement. I mean, taken seriously that statement is just ridiculous and taken as a joke it doesn't work because the entire context of "Jackass" is so different from the context of Xtina's video (unless you think that Xtina shot that video to ridicule anorexics, skinny guys, black people, overweight people, wispy punks and gays).

Dan, point taken. I'm not trying to say that Xtina is doing something new and radical, I'm trying to say that she isn't doing something useless, which is how most of the criticism of the video is coming acorss to me.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Trust me, I was being flippant (and mostly focusing on the last part of the statement). I think a lot of this is coming down to a distinction between being annoyed by a video telling things already known versus taking a larger context and thinking, "Well, that's nice to see some sort of change, isn't it?" I sympathize with the latter but identify much more closely with the former, especially when I think said video (or whatever the artistic product might be) is extremely forced sentimentality. It's not quite the equivalent of Culture Club's "The War Song," maybe, but still...

As it is, I was thinking more about Xtina and this song and all the intent of it and it hit me -- this is such a Michael Jackson move, isn't it? A lot of "Heal the World" messianic 'SEE! See how much I CARE!' type stuff, if you will. The motivation may be perfectly fine on all parts but the end result does not work, for me at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

This song is really well written; it reminds me of what the Strokes might sound like if they got into "Home Sweet Home" territory.

Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Wrong MJ song, Ned; because Xtina's message is inward-looking, it's most comparable to "Man In The Mirror". The big difference is that MJ is still on the "make-the-world-a-better-place" tip while Xtina is saying "fuck-you-I'm-pretty". Xtina is completely focused on the individual; betterment of the world by holding yourself in high esteem is a side-effect, not a primary goal.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

My problem is that an anorexic saying "fuck you I'm pretty" is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from an elderly cross-dresser saying the same thing, and the video seems to equate them (same lighting, same mirror, etc).

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Why shouldn't an anorexic be thinking fuck you I'm pretty? Why shouldn't everyone?

Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Becuse "fuck you I'm going to do what I want to do no matter how many of you suffocating people try and tell me otherwise" is sort of what got them into their fix in the first place. She smashes the mirror though, I guess that's something.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer, the sense I got from that (as I said before) was that when the anorexic girl smashed the mirror was the point where she said, "I'm not going through this anymore," rather than "I'm fine looking like this." I do see how it could be read as "Dammit, I'll never be thin enough," but that's not how I saw it.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I think not saying "fuck you I'm pretty" in the first place is what got them into their fix.

Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't it that "Don't hate because I'm beautiful" commercial that killed Kelly LeBrocks career?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

oops.
Wasn't it that "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful" commercial that killed Kelly LeBrocks career?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHA!

"There should be world peace because I'm so beautiful!"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Saddam should say that.

Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes it was Lord Custos Epsilon.

How did you know I was the expert on the matter?

Oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHA!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd like to reaffirm I think its MTV's frequent everyone-is-great specials (which I prefer, cuz at least their docs) that make Xtina's song redundant, or at the very least bandwagony. I'd probably love a dance mix though, my bias.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

By your logic, no one should bother producing anything that agrees with editorials already published by the main media outlet which would show/print their work, because the media outlet has already trumped their message. Does that position really make sense to you?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

it reminds me of what the Strokes might sound like

Spot on. Speed the song up, give it a shuffle beat and strummy guitar, and voila!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

oh no! But I hate The Strokes! Oh NO!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the glam descend in the chorus. In which case it's not so much the Strokes as somebody better. You know, like Steve Harley. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

It's mostly the way Christina seems to think that she (of all people) can bring people together on a subject she's never really touched on before... it just seems too earnest too soon.

Curtis Stephens, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Is she trying to bring people together or talking about herself? And even if she is trying to bring people together, why shouldn't she? Who has earned the right to try to bring people together?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

She has every right to. I just find it unconvincing.

Curtis Stephens, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there's a world of difference between "She tries unconvincingly to bring the world together" and "She thinks that she (of all people) can bring the world together".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, there is. I'm sorry.

Curtis Stephens, Thursday, 6 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Agh. Dan stop finding faults in my logic. That isn't why I don't like the song at all, it's why I don't find it revolutionary or anything.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 February 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i f'in love this song!!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

But Anthony, who's arguing that it's revolutionary? You're tilting at a strawman in the bush.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

saw the video again. Closed my eyes and just listened (so that I didn't have to endure the director shoving the ugliness of people in our face for an ironic effect). She sounds like she doesn't take criticism well. Still pretty boring.

I'll stop tilting.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)

This song is waaaaaay better waiting for a slice of pizza at 1am or somesuch

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

This song would've been great in Hedwig.

Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

TOTALLY

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow. Yeah.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. It's got the glam chords for it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

she means that it's really GAY. nyeh.

*revs engine of tricked-out SUV, drives off blaring "Authority Song" by John Cougar Mellencamp*

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh no, no no no no.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

look, as someone who works for queer issues in the fly over (and shit im supposed to be on the southside in 15), the video of boy on boy action played in heavy rotation on a national station is revoultionary, and everyone treating it like no big deal, even more so.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

has Xtina jumped head-and-shoulders above Britney w/this song? "Dirrrty" was a little embarrassing, sort of protest-too-much (yes you CAN be sluttish, okay, OKAY!) and Britney did the sweaty ultra-sex feel a year earlier with "Slave 4 U", but to my knowledge Britney has never had a ballad like this

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, i never would have thunk that on album-release when Xtina was like "yes this album is more mature; i had more input, this is raw, closer to who i am as a person" it would actually turn out to be true!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

So Tracer, do you like this song and video or something? I can't quite tell.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate the video, Ned.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks, that was unclear. (I wuv Tracer Hand.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I think having Macauley Culkin making out with his wife in a Sonic Youth video was more revolutionary. AND, I sold a copy of The Face with Macauley on the cover (Terry Richards photos) for like 30 dollars on ebay last month. The world works in mysterious ways.

Carey (Carey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

It makes MTV look more like BMTV.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)


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