Xtina is what Courtney could nevah be, eh?
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)
"Okay, everybody take your places. Where are my uglies? Shooting starts in 5 minutes people."
― Oops (Oops), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)
(The preceding post would have fucking slayed me if it had said "Where my uglies at?")
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)
At least, that was my take.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)
How so?
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)
And that's some serious gay tongue action going on.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Anybody not pick up that MTV thinks gays, punx, lesbians, anorexics, robo-ho's, etc. are people too? Sorry, the "theme" of this video feels super-redundant after all those true life specials and sex docs. I'd give props to Vanessa Carlton and Michelle Branch's discovery that growing maturity doesn't mean increasingly frank sex-obsession, but they suck.
Also, she still (fittingly) sings like a Star Search contestant. She's a fine disco diva but the slow stuff...If you're gonna trill...trill happy! Play this girl some Donna Summer.
I don't get the nobody-will-sit-next-to-mohawk-guy-on-bus scene. I thought the whole POINT of dressing absurdly aggro was that people get upset and scared. You're clothes are supposed to challenge our middle class values, dude. Don't get all sniffly if Granny won't sit next to you! He took Lydon's "We Only Wanted To Be Loved" moans on "Fodderstompf" waaaaay too seriously.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 23:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― dek1, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)
The punk I mean.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)
I refuse to give credence to an opinion that (in my eyes) states that the ability to forcefully deliver a tune is the mark of a BAD singer.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)
CHRISTINA DOESN'T DO THAT.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)
I'll admittedly agree, an overstatement. But it conversely doesn't mean that said singer will still connect with a listener because of said ability (though we've had this conversation before...).
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)
I will admit that part of my ire comes from the fact that I'm a singer who has had some training and my entire performance context is in an arena that DEMANDS technical proficiency; my entire background is going to cause me to rate vocal proficiency higher than the average listener.
Having said that, the thing that struck me about _Stripped_ more than anything else is that Christina's showboating tendencies were refocused in service of the songs she sings on the album rather than just as a platform to showboat her vocal talents (which is precisely what ruined every single she released between "Genie In A Bottle" and "Dirrty"). I can completely understand not being overly impressed by the songwriting on _Stripped_ because a lot of it is pedestrian and uninvolving. HOWEVER, Christina sings the shit out of every single song on that album and delivers everything with more conviction than I would have thought possible. (Compare to the new Craig David single, which is so phoned in I want to punch the radio every time I hear it.) Her performance is so strong that the songs where the songwriting/arrangement IS interesting ("Dirrty", "Make Over", "Beautiful", "Walk Away"), she's just phenomenal.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)
Sort of the trick, though, isn't it? Are we judging conviction on some sort of fixed scale as heard in the performance or...? I mean, I'm taking it to say that 'conviction' doesn't necessarily have to equal 'intensity,' since otherwise it would always be the loudest singer and the loudest band and so forth to get credit when comes to technical training and delivery.
A strong performance surrounded by weak everything else = ultimately a failure for me, maybe a small one and maybe a huge one. But either way it's a case of 'what's the point?' It's a bit like the whole Eminem/Eric Clapton thing I was outlining last year -- yes, they're technically gifted, but there's nothing else I find interesting or compelling, there's no there there. I can't even take "Beautiful" on a campy level, I read it as too earnest, too x = x.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)
The way that she sings the songs on her new album speaks to me beyond technical proficiency. I get a strong sense that she is very connected with what she's singing, something you couldn't really say about "Lady Marmalade" or "Come On Over". Part of it is the fact that she varies how she approaches each song; in "Dirrty" she holds back most of the power of her voice except for the chorus, while "Beautiful" is crooned throughout except for the bridge and "Make Over" features the most muscular singing on the album (and no melismania).
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)
And you are. :-)
This is starting to remind me of the Madonna thread now, though, in that there's a question over how the artist treats the material and how that is interpreted. You're catching a connection I'm not necessarily feeling here, but we're both down on some songs and an album that Vic et al are worshipping for being all about Madonna's gift for connection/conviction/ability to portray something. Having heard the album a couple of times, I'll grant you Xtina might (might!) well honestly feel something strong about the songs, but that's still not enough for me -- if you want a comparison, consider dear ol' Rage Against the Machine. There's a case where clearly Zac was connected with his material but it inspired nothing in me but cool, clear and unalloyed hate.
The point about variety in approach is well taken, though. Is "Make Over" that one freaked out moment where everything happens at once? Best song on the album because it pureed the album.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)
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― stephen. s (yaye), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Yeah, that's the one, and if "Dirrty" isn't the best song on the album, "Make Over" is.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stuart, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stuart, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
On Xtina -- I agree with tracer that there's something almost scary in her conviction, terribly egotistical, but that's part of what makes the song great.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curtis Stephens, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― dan fitz, Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)
At any rate, the entire "Xtina is hammering home the MTV party line on tolerance" argument is somewhat silly because nobody on MTV (besides tATu) is making videos feature gay makeout sessions, let alone paired with mae/female body image self-loathing, punk isolationism and overweight people getting pummelled bloody.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― dan fitz, Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)
Dan, point taken. I'm not trying to say that Xtina is doing something new and radical, I'm trying to say that she isn't doing something useless, which is how most of the criticism of the video is coming acorss to me.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)
As it is, I was thinking more about Xtina and this song and all the intent of it and it hit me -- this is such a Michael Jackson move, isn't it? A lot of "Heal the World" messianic 'SEE! See how much I CARE!' type stuff, if you will. The motivation may be perfectly fine on all parts but the end result does not work, for me at least.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)
"There should be world peace because I'm so beautiful!"
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)
How did you know I was the expert on the matter?
― Oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Spot on. Speed the song up, give it a shuffle beat and strummy guitar, and voila!
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curtis Stephens, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curtis Stephens, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curtis Stephens, Thursday, 6 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 February 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)
I'll stop tilting.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)
*revs engine of tricked-out SUV, drives off blaring "Authority Song" by John Cougar Mellencamp*
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Carey (Carey), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)