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and what exactly is the difference between Freakbeat, Psych, Fuzz and Garage?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The packaging on the reissues.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i think "freakbeat" has to be british

duane, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

psychedelic music & garage are different because of drugs & hair

duane, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"freakbeat" = 65/66 Who ripoffs (= good)

duane, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"Fuzz" = the Heat, the Man, the Filth

duane, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

good answers

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Search:
Wimple Winch, "Save My Soul"
The Eyes, "When the Night Falls"

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

To my understanding freakbeat usually means that little window in British rock b/t beat and psychedelia...circa 66–68.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, search also Allen Pound's Get Rich, "Searching in the Wilderness"

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Southern Sound "I don't want to go"
Craig "I must be mad"
The Answers "Just a fear"
The Flies "Stepping Stone"
Mark Four "I'm leaving"

Amateurists suggestions are the first three things I thought of too, they're damn essential

Matthew (faster), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Are the Creation the archetypal f.b. band?

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 07:44 (twenty-two years ago)

**To my understanding freakbeat usually means that little window in British rock b/t beat and psychedelia...circa 66–68**

That's as good a description as any. I'd class some of the harder edged fuzzed up mod and beat from 65 and even late 64 as freakbeat too.

Dr. C's Freakbeat Hall Of Fame :

* The Mark Four - 'I'm Leaving' Menacing R+B Freak hybrid before they became The Creation.

*The Buzz - 'You're Holding Me Down' Joe Meek's wildest production.

*The Poets - 'Wooden Spoon' .

*The Birds - 'Say those Magic Words' Ron Wood's finest moment

*The Wimple Winch - 'Rumble on Mersey Square South' - intense! A great band before they totally lost it in fop-psych whimsy in 1968.

*The Open Mind - 'Cast A Spell' Late, late freakbeat - I think it's 1969 - and nearly heavy metal.

*The Craig - 'I Must Be Mad'. Fuzz-fest with a thundering phased drum break and an attitude and a half.

*The Dakotas - 'Spider and The Fly' Without Billy J Kramer, they let rip into a slice of thrashing R+B. Mick Green's guitar shows Wilko Johnson and Andy Gill the way.

*The Chances Are -'Fragile Child' At the pop end - a great chorus "You shouldn't do that, you shouldn't do that"

*The Koobas - 'Barricades' - Slow burning scouse freakbeat.

*The Kirkby's - 'It's a Crime'. More Scousers! They twist the 'Satisfaction' riff until it's totally f@cked.

*The Movement -'Tell Her' You know the one 'Tell her, tell her, tell her, tell her right now'. Glam before its time.

*The Kinks -'I Need You' Crunchy B-side from 1964. You Really Got Me backwards

*The Bumble Bees - 'Girl of My Kind' The Dutch were good at freakbeat, damn good, and this bonkers brass-driven stomper is the best example.

*The Onyx -'You Gotta Be With Me' Mod attitude with a freakbeat edge.

*Les Fleur De Lys - 'Circles' Far better than The Who's original

*The Primitives -'Help Me'. No, not *those* Primitives. These were purveyors of primal fuzzed-up R+B.

*Cherry Smash - 'Fade Away Maureen'. Best band name EVER! Best song title EVER!

*The Plague - 'Looking for The Sun'

* Rick and Sandy - 'Lost My Girl' A freakbeat Everley Brothers!

*The Attack - 'Colours of My Mind'

*The Human Instinct - 'A Day In My Minds Mind' Kiwis!

*The Sorrows - 'Take A Heart' A rumbling, tribal precursor to the likes of The Glitter Band and Adam and The Ants.

*The Creation - 'How Does It Feel To Feel' A slo-mo trip with *that* chord change on the chorus. Wild!

*Edwick Rumbold -'Shades Of Grey' Mod/Cream hybrid. Nice.

*The Pretty Things - 'Midnight To Six Man' This is just fantastic - easily their best, although 'Walking Through My Dreams' pushes it close.

*Jason Crest -'Black Mass' Mad as a chair.

*The Living Daylights -'Let's Live For Today' Full-out pop really.

*Van Morrison - 'I Can Only Give You Everything' Incredibly, he was good once.

All for now

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I killed this thread. Sorry.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

killed? sorry? are you nuts? that list is wicked

how about the eyes - when the night falls? too much beat and not enough freak for the category maybe but it's so perfect.

have you fellas heard The Chants R&B? I keep hearing about em

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Are Dr C's songs located on a particular compilation? Or scattered like so many cuban heels on the dusty ground?

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

saw the embrooks a few years ago, and thought perhaps they had a decent modern take on freakbeat or something like it. did what i thought was a good cover of "say those magic words", too, thus entering the canon...

pauls00, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny you should mention the Embrooks, ILXer Chris Barrus has been going nuts over their new album...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Dantalion's Chariot? Madman Running Through The Fields ia a major fav - though maybe it is already early psych.

tigerclawskank, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

**Are Dr C's songs located on a particular compilation? Or scattered like so many cuban heels on the dusty ground?**

Most are on various Rubble albums, there's a few from Hen's Teeth, That Driving Beat, Haunted and that series of Deram/Decca comps (The Beat Scene etc...)

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah fritz chants r+b were from here (christchurch) & were f'n great....them/pretty things/r'n'(you don't say)b sound...there's 2 retrospective albums,the one i have has their singles & some live stuff,it's aces, other one i think is all live & s'posed to be v good too

duane, Thursday, 6 February 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
The Eyes "You're Too Much" is better than "When The Night Falls."

The Eyes >>>>>>>>>> most of the generic freakbeat garbage.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

There is so much good freakbeat, Dale.

"Children of Tomorrow" - Mike Stuart Span
"Buffalo Billy Can" - Apple*
"Snow White" - Winston's Fumbs
"She's Got Eyes That Tell Lies" - Him and the Others
"Cold Turkey" - Big Boy Pete
"Grey" - The Hush
"Subway (Smokey Pokey World)" - The Tickle*
"14 Hour Technicolor Dream" - The Syn*
"With Love from 1 to 5" - State of Micky and Tommy*
"Boy Meets Girl" - Paper Blitz Tissue
"Colours of My Mind" - The Attack
"My Friend Jack" - The Smoke
"Gong with the Luminous Nose" - Fleur de Lys
"Maze of Love" - Dave Clark Five
"Floatin'" - Vamp
"Save My Soul" - Wimple Winch*
"Defecting Grey" - Pretty Things
"Walking Through My Dreams" - Pretty Things*
"Talking About the Good Times" - Pretty Things
"Mr. Evasion" - Pretty Things
"10,000 Words in a Cardboard Box" - Aquarian Age
"He's Our Dear Old Weather Man" - Marc Wirtz

Not to mention tons of shit by John's Children, Tomorrow, the Creation, Kaleidoscope, etc.

* My extra special picks for the day.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

dude fuckin seriously my name is NOT DALEEEE

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Some of the stuff on Dr. C's list is really good, too, ESPECIALLY "A Day in My Mind's Mind" by Human Instinct. Who were indeed New Zealanders and this points to the fact that freakbeat is not just a UK thing but all the Euro bands who were UK influenced and that's a whole 'nother ball o' wax, daddy-o.

Everything I've heard by Gary Walker and Rain is good, too, though I haven't ever heard the whole album.

But yeah, I hear you, Carl. Sometimes freakbeat comps seem to have a lot of mediocre stuff on 'em.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

I have a co-worker at the record store who does a freakeat DJ night every (week? month? i forget) and he's always listening to this stuff and it sounds like the same four songs over and over again with slightly different vocals or guitar solos. I tend to just get tons of grey-area 7" boots distributed by B1lly from N0rton. The Eyes stuff is really the only things that have stuck with me.

Without sending all of my money to Sundazed or Bomp or something, is there a comp you'd recommend? I don't even know why I posted to this thread.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

If you can find Chocolate Soup for Diabetics Vol. 2, I'd really recommend that one. The Electric Sugarcube Flashbacks CD (collection of stuff from the LP series) is really good. Some of it is slightly later stuff, but the British volume of Love, Peace and Poetry is really good. And if you find it cheap, the Rubble box set (volumes 1-10) is worth it.

The Poets were good; there was a thread about them. Their stuff on Rubble Vol. 5 is the nubs. And more songs by the Attack. Add "Neville Thumbcatch" to my list of picks for the day.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

"A Day in My Mind's Mind" by Human Instinct. Who were indeed New Zealanders...

hmmm... are we *sure* this is the same Human Instinct as the NZ group? I'm not so sure. I've often wondered about this; I don't think they are the same band...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to check this on the Borderline Books site, but it's GONE?!?!? WTF?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that track is on that Number Seven Wire compilation of NZ psych. It's from before Billy TK was in the group.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Okay I found a web-archived version:

"Originally from New Zealand, they arrived in England in September 1966 and since the above 45s were all recorded here I've decided to include them. They'd previously been known as The Four Fours back in New Zealand and were originally signed to Mercury. Indeed their first two 45s were leased to Mercury before they arrived here.

Human Instinct's best work however was for Deram. A Day In My Mind's Eye was quite a powerful song, notable for its electronic bleep. It's flip, Death Of The Seaside is poppier with summery harmonies which mourn the passing of Summer and has a few interesting tempo changes. The follow-up was a fine cover of David Crosby's Renaissance Fair to which they added a string arrangement. The flip side, Pink Dawn, sounds a little like The Small Faces.

The band later returned to New Zealand where they cut a series of albums, which are now rare and sought-after but that's another story, although the three albums concerned were repackaged on a three album set 1969-1971 (Little Wing LW 4002/3/4) 1988. The work of an entirely new line-up, assembled by drummer Maurice Greer, they fall very much into the power-rock category. Also repackaged with a booklet and poster is The Zodiac Years (Little Wing LW 4014/15) 1990, issued on a German label, which originally appeared on the Zodiac label. It's a double set.

Compilation coverage has included:- A Day In My Mind's Eye and Pink Dawn on Rubble Vol. 12: Staircase To Nowhere (LP); A Day In My Mind's Eye on Rubble Vol. 6 (CD) and The Psychedelic Scene (CD); Pink Dawn on Rubble Vol. 7 (CD) and The Freakbeat Scene (CD); Death Of The Seaside and Renaissance Fair on British Psychedelic Trip, Vol. 3 (LP); Death Of The Seaside on Great British Psychedelic Trip, Vol. 2 (CD) and Psychedelic Unknowns, Vol. 7; Renaissance Fair on Great British Psychedelic Trip Vol. 1 (CD) and Deram Dayze (LP)."

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Where did you find that, Alex? Soybomb took theirs down.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Webarchive: http://web.archive.org/web/20030604151918/borderlinebooks.com/uk6070s/tapestry.html

The US version: http://web.archive.org/web/20030604151918/borderlinebooks.com/us6070s/fuzz.html

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

ah ok .. so the band actually spent time in England. I guess that explains teh Deram connection, which was what always threw me off..

yo Ian, that Past & Present label recently rereleased the excellent Perfumed Garden series (three volumes), which are a great introduction (but lots of overlap w/ newer stuff like the Nuggets II box etc..):

http://www.forcedexposure.com/bin/search.pl?search_string=perfumed&searchfield=title

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Those look good.

Man, I just looked at the track listing for Nuggets II. They should have just made it a British comp. Kind of dumb to put token So. American tracks and token European tracks on there. And putting Canadian tracks on there makes no sense at all stylistically.

Wimple Winch had more good tracks, too, of course. "Atmospheres," etc. I even like those few later tracks that were just demos or something that were on Rubble - "Bluebell Wood" and "Marmalade Hair" and those tunes.

I've never heard the Birds - the Ron Wood band! Thought I was getting a copy of that comp CD of theirs for a dollar there for a moment with that amazon.com screwup a while ago ...

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Tim, I'll YSI a Birds track or two this evening.

D. Bachyrycz, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Great! Cheers.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Someone reissue these records plz.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

wimple fucken winch man

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

best freakbeat song = FREDEREEK HERNANDO

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

(not by wimple winch)

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

I have not heard "Fredereek." That's Jimmy McCullough's (from Wings) old band.

Wimple Winch's "Save My Soul" is almost MC5-like ballistics. It seems like Wimple Winch was one of the main things inspiring the Rubble series in the first place- three tracks on the first volume. That first volume might be the best Rubble.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

A couple by the Birds:
"Say Those Magic Words"
http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2MGDFLDT0VNP80VOQH9PLQM65L

And a run through of the Who's "Run, Run, Run"
http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0XXR5S589QX34329M2VK0TY1J8

Anybody want to YSI something by the Eyes?


D. Bachyrycz, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

More Rubble picks:

"Faster Than Light" - The Mirror
"Always With Him" - The Living Daylights
"Kid Was a Killer" - Keith West
"William Chalker's Time Machine" - The Lemon Tree
"Barricades" - The Koobas
"House of Love" - The Flies
"Hold On" and "Daughter of the Moon" - Sharon Tandy and the Fleur de Lys
"On Love" - Skip Bifferty
"The Madman Running Through the Fields" - Dantalion's Chariot
"I'm Flying" - Serendipity
"A Step in the Right Direction" - The Montanas
"Riding on a Wave" - The Turnstyle

Plus all four sides by the Fairytale!

And I don't have the second Rubble box or the particular volume this track appeared on, but "Magic Rocking Horse" by Pinkertons Colours is a great one.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 27 November 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of good songs listed but I'm more confused than ever now as to where psych & garage end and freakbeat begins. At least half of the songs above that I'm familiar with I wouldn't have thought to be freakbeat. The Birds,the Eyes and the Motions definitely, many of these probably not. Although I'm also lacking a good definition of exactly what freakbeat is other than Who'esque.

billy g, Monday, 28 November 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't have to be Who-esque. I think it just refers to psychedelic beat music.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 28 November 2005 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

There's a 45 at work by Miki Dallon called "I'm Gonna Find A Cave." Real great song.. anyone have any more info on him/them?

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 28 November 2005 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm writing down these comps and stuff to look into. I can get anything Norton distributes very easily.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 28 November 2005 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

dallon was the main songwriter for the sorrows, and later on the youngbloods, but never a member of either, i think.

i'd really like to know more about les goths, the french band who are on 'in a perfumed garden'.

m bott, Monday, 28 November 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

i've never heard any les goths - i avoided those perfumed garden cds because of fears of shitty quality. recommended?

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Monday, 28 November 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

the sound quality is probably as good as it can be, tons better than the archive international crap and as good as nuggets. and the selections are pan-european...

m bott, Monday, 28 November 2005 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

that's very encouraging actually. i heard part of (i think) volume 3 and was really unimpressed, but in retrospect it may have been a transfer from the vinyl edition..

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Monday, 28 November 2005 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Just picked up the DECCA Freakbeat Scene comp, which is ace, and have also been bouncing off the walls to the Perfumed Garden and Chocolate Soup vinyl reissues I picked up a month back.

I know a lot of the more obscure bands were singles acts at the time, but have had CD collections - any particular recommendations on Freakbeat acts who had enough songs for a solid album?

Soukesian, Saturday, 25 August 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago)

the attack compilation is great, as is the eyes. the wimple winch one on bam caruso is not bad but a bit unsatisfying beyond the compiled singles. the les fleur de lys comp has its moments but again the non-comp'd stuff is nowhere near as good as the well known a-sides etc..

electricsound, Sunday, 26 August 2007 02:47 (seventeen years ago)

Might be obvious, but the two Kaleidoscope albums.

Tim Ellison, Sunday, 26 August 2007 04:13 (seventeen years ago)

I'll probably get this :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Real-Life-Permanent-Dreams-Psychedelic/dp/B000EPF8L2/ref=wl_it_dp/202-9993517-6331026?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1BVENVEACVHPF&colid=90NHE53UJAW0

Don't need it, but you know....it exists.

Dr.C, Sunday, 26 August 2007 09:57 (seventeen years ago)

seven months pass...

wooden hill have just put out a compilation of one in a million (of fredereek hernando fame) including seven unreleased cuts! nice

http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/one.in.a.million.html

fredereek/double sight is of course one of the greatest double siders in history

electricsound, Monday, 31 March 2008 05:12 (seventeen years ago)

eleven months pass...

wimple winch compilation is back in print. i have no idea if the sound has been upgraded but being cherry red at least there's a good chance they've done it legally

http://www.cherryred.co.uk/rpm/artists/wimplewinch.htm

w/ sax (electricsound), Thursday, 5 March 2009 03:45 (sixteen years ago)

Is that Wimple Winch compilation good? Only heard their songs that were on the various Rubble compilations etc

vain_bowers, Thursday, 5 March 2009 08:57 (sixteen years ago)

I always thought The Smoke were the archetypical freakbeat band.

God bless the internet - I finally managed to chase down The Factory on MP3 - I hadn't heard them properly since the scratchy old tape my ex boyfriend made me in the early 90s died.

Dances With Psychedelic Owls (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 5 March 2009 09:06 (sixteen years ago)

tbh the only WW track not on rubble that i really dig is 'what's been done'. the rest is decent to mediocre. though i don't hate 'typical british workmanship' like some do - it's not like the execrable 'waterloo road' by jason crest

w/ sax (electricsound), Thursday, 5 March 2009 09:09 (sixteen years ago)

WW were pretty fantastic early on (Save My Soul, Rumble etc), but they blew it when they went for full-on whimsy (Marmalade Hair, Bluebell Wood) later on. They were great when they had a bit of snarly attitude, not so great when they started wearing kaftans.

That Real Life Permanent Dream box that I mentioned upthread is really great btw.

Dr.C, Thursday, 5 March 2009 11:13 (sixteen years ago)

went for full-on whimsy (Marmalade Hair, Bluebell Wood)

OK, this totally sounds like the. thing. for me! Will have to look for this.

Dances With Psychedelic Owls (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 5 March 2009 11:15 (sixteen years ago)

There's better full-on whimsy out there

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 11:27 (sixteen years ago)

Dude, I like Mr. Small The Watch Repair Man by Kaleidoscope UK, and it doesn't get much more whimsical than that.

Dances With Psychedelic Owls (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 5 March 2009 11:37 (sixteen years ago)

That's what I mean, it's not as good as Mr. Small The Watch Repair Man!

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 11:39 (sixteen years ago)

i find this the most whimsical part of the Rubble

vain_bowers, Thursday, 5 March 2009 11:59 (sixteen years ago)

Not whimsical enough!

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 March 2009 12:04 (sixteen years ago)

yeah there's much more whimsical than that!

w/ sax (electricsound), Thursday, 5 March 2009 12:35 (sixteen years ago)

OMG, is the boy in the lower left hand corner Carlos Barat or what?

actually *the* most whimsical shit on the face of the earth is Flowers Never Cry by the Mystic Astrologic Crystal Band but I can't even find that on YouTube. (They claimed to have it on last.fm but the actual track turned out to be Kaleidoscope when I played it, dammit)

Dances With Psychedelic Owls (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 5 March 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

six months pass...

couldn't think of a better place to post this

les fleur de lys reforming for a gig! with sharon tandy! wish i could go!!

http://www.modculture.info/2009/09/fleur-de-lys-gig---tickets-on-sale.html

surfin on my face (electricsound), Wednesday, 9 September 2009 23:32 (fifteen years ago)

four years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE26yk6a4s

timellison, Sunday, 13 October 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago)

three years pass...

http://www.numerogroup.com/products/the-creation-action-painting

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 January 2017 15:31 (eight years ago)

The first time? Would have thought all their tracks would have been long since fully gathered. Looking forward to it in any event!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)


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