Cannibal Ox / El-P / Company Flow / Def Jux, classic or dud/ RFI/search and destroy.

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Are they any good? Do I want some? Yes, I am on a BIG hip hop tip at the moment.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Fantastic Damage - difficult but good, probably classic (though everyone will disagree with me), but maybe you should stick to the instrumental version if you cant stand SOMEONE"RAPPING"REALYFASTANDLOUDLYWITHWHATMANYWOULDSAYISNOFLOWANDNOSPACESBETWEENVERSES

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Can Ox - The Cold Vein (genius)
El P - Fantastic Damage (the wordy version) (genius)
Big Juss - the EP that was out on Subverse (genius)

sxx

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

You're only saying that 'cos you're loaded on Coca Cola, Stevie. Now I know what Danny McNamara was on about when he used to complain about journalists and coke. He's obviously a Sprite man. Image is nothing, thirst is... blah blah blah blah.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

the clouddead album is really good,although it's fairly different from most hip hop,even the def jux stuff that i've heard (although you would still identify it as being somehow associated with cannibal ox etc)

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're truly bright-eyed and hip-hop-tailed, don't sleep on either Aesop Rock's "Labor Days" nor (Boston shout-out) Mr. Lif's "I Phantom." Crunchy beats never tasted so good.

― nader (nader), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Couldn't find Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein in town, so that's been ordered with amazon, but I picked up Fantastic Damage and Funcrusherplus by Company Flow (and the rematsered One Nation Under A Groove by Funkadelic!).

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Company Flow's all-instrumental Little Johnny From The Hospitul is an excellent record. Many,many fine fat beats and sounds.

― Scott Seward, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a bit disappointed by Def Jux' lattest releases (RJD2, Mr. Lif, Murs, etc.).

Fantastic Damage has one very very good track 'TOJ'. As an old Co-Flow fan, I was quite disappointed by the rest of it. It reminds me of a kind of progressive rock hip hop.

My favorite Co-Flow / El-P albums are :

1) Funcrusher Plus (by far - one of the 3 or 4 best hh albums ever) bu CoFlow
2) Little Johnny from the Hospital by CoFlow
3) The Cold Vein by CanOx

― codotusylv, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I like El P, but I really could do without the 'futuristic' acid house squiggles and sploinks

― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Search :

Funcrusher + (the basic principles but a little dated and amteurly-mixed )
The Cold Vein (now that's what i call a truly solid LP)
Big Jus EP (the most moving and slept-on hip-hop record i've heard)
Litte Johnny (if you got some low-quality hash to smoke, play this)
FanDamPlus (really tough beats, without El-P's annoying rap)

Destroy :

Well, anything else, i shall say. I'm not really into Aesop, but that's the beats that don't appeal to me, so check Labor Days, i understand why many people find it good.

I could write pages about why i think Clouddead and , extensively, Anticon, are so overrated, but i won't.

― Etienne (Etienne), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Etienne will disagree, but apart from this declining Def Jux, there are 2 areas for outstanding hip hop, according to me :

- The West Coast underground with the Shapeshifters (Awol One, Circus, 2Mex, etc..), the Living Legends and people from Project Blowed.

- Canada with the Winnipeg / Peanuts & Corn scene (John Smith, McEnroe, Gruff, Pip Skid, Fermented Reptile, Park Like Setting) and the Halifax scene in Nova Scotia (Buck 65, Sixtoo, Josh Martinez, Gordski, Kunga219, Recyclone...)

― codotusylv, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Clouddead is not overated.

Anticon is, as far as music is concerned. But they played a key role in allowing shy white middle class people to do their own rap records.

Mush is a better label. Mush records releases everything that is too strange (and plesant) for Anticon.

― codotusylv (codotusylv), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Aesop Rock is unfuckwithable. period. Labor Days is a must for me, but I think Float's got some of Blockhead's better beatwork all in all.

and I'd be willing to say that RJD2 does the Shadow thing better than the man himself. Shadow's on another level, don't get me wrong...it's just that he doesn't seem to care about shakin' asses anymore. enter RJD2. you want a good track of his, check out souls of mischief's "spark" or aesop rock's "kill em all" remix.

So, yeah, Def Jux kills it IMHO. classic indeedy.

― PMK (PMK), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

people need to listen to I Phantom again. Lif sounds really great. mmm 'return of the b-boy'.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"I Phantom" should be the hip hop release of the year (past 12 mos.)
Is there something else I'm (dis)missing?

― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh god, I am BEGGING every single bootlegger out there to buy Little Johnny. I have to hear what "Bee Aware" sounds like with lyrics. I don't care if it's 50 Cent. Or Doseone.

Yeah, anyhow, I'm starting to realize that maybe, just maybe, El-P = hip-hop's Gary Numan. (this is a mighty high compliment in my book, though I got turned onto the latter artist after the former.)

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 6 February 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

haha nate don't make me dig little johnny out of storage and give you your wish

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 February 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

If I could only get that "instrumental+original=accapella" trick to work I'd retaliate with "Deep Space 9mm" vox over "Jigga What Jigga Who"!

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 6 February 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i am this close to finishing my "idioteque"/"snoopy track" boot

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 February 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

if nobody does the "4 dmx tracks at once" thing i probably will. which will probably just sound like El-P or at least the same beat style and about that many syllables/second.

― Honda (Honda), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Aesop Rock is unfuckwithable.

oh, i am so fucking with him. right now. see?

― your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)

doug e fresh infest this!

― Honda (Honda), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Caveat: these albums date really quickly. I liked Funcrusher until I heard Cold Vein until I heard Fantastic Damage and so on. I guess next-level shit is only next-level shit until the next next-level shit comes around.

So buy it, listen to it for two weeks and then put it away forever.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I still dig out Cold Vein, mostly because the parts that don't have grebt lyrix have impeachable beats, and there's plenty of songs that have both. ("The F Word" = CLASSIC x 1000) Funcrusher has aged okayish-at-best considering the evolution of El-P's beats but it's still worth it for "I see through pussies like the Invisible Woman" alone. (and the "Info Kill" beat, damn damn damn)

I heard that Aesop Rock is like 6'4" or something so take caution whilst fucking with him. You might get THE CHOKESLAM.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"no cannolli!"

cold vein 2 will be interesting

― zemko (bob), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

also, that murs guy is terrible

― zemko (bob), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

like, galapagos 4 is a very very poor man's def jux as it is

― zemko (bob), Thursday, 6 February 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard that Aesop Rock is like 6'4" or something so take caution whilst fucking with him. You might get THE CHOKESLAM.

shit, he could probably kick my ass up and down the east coast, but at least i didn't write that "fabulous freddy kreuger five finger discount" line. ouch.

anyone else notice the silver apples sample on "deep space 9mm?" (also: great video)

― your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

No, but I caught the Orbital sample in "Innocent Leader".

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I've listened to Innocent Leader again and again, and I still don't see it, Nate. They're similar noises, granted, but if it is The Box, then it's been seriously mangled indeed.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 6 February 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

alert: new def jux 12" by The Presence dropping on the 11th - will re-ignite yr interest in the label - posse cut with Vast of Can Ox and Alaska of Atoms - hip hop pick of the year so far

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 8 March 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

UPDATE: i found "little johnny" in the closet...so i am currently working on a "wanksta" bootleg, tee hee.

i quite like "fantastic damage" actually but he really should just get a bunch of guest rappers 50% of the time.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 8 March 2003 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

nah - El more than holds his own on the mic.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 8 March 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

uhoh

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 8 March 2003 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i like el-p on the mic, but a little more variation on fandam wouldn't have been a bad thing. i'd like to see an el-p/sole "i love you, man!" collab.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Saturday, 8 March 2003 06:33 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha ha!! yeah, that'd be the day. as a card carrying def jux fan, i gotta admit, at first, it didn't look like El would recover from that shit, but lordy, did he. I I I IIIIIII LLLLOOOOVVVEE CCCCCOMPANNNNNYYY FFFFFLLLLOOOWWW. Ha! but let's really NOT open up that six year old can of worms.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 8 March 2003 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

but it feels like it was yesterday. i don't know, the man who recorded "patriotism" doesn't really need to answer to a guy whose solo albums are..well...fucking dull emo hip-hop. i like some anticon stuff, but dayumn...

― your null fame (yournullfame), Saturday, 8 March 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed. and i don't even like Anticon stuff...AT ALL. and i've reviewed my share of it. Just reviewed this thing Lex (Warp's "hip hop" label) put out - Mummy Fortuna's Theatre Comnpany - for Grooves magazine. TERRIBLE!!

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 8 March 2003 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

that would be a bad name for an ITALIAN PROG ROCK BAND, man.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Revive

I saw somewhere that El-P worked with Blackalicious. What was that on? Still available somewhere?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 7 June 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The closest I can think of to something like that was the fact that they both appeared on the Quannum Spectrum comp. Other than that, I'm stumped.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 8 June 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.thesourceformusic.com/store/images/images_covers/81065wack.jpg

― trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 8 June 2003 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

just dug out fire in which you burn to get the taste of that shitty emo roots single out my mouth

― and what, Thursday, 13 March 2008 00:05 (seventeen years ago)

Oh god, I am BEGGING every single bootlegger out there to buy Little Johnny. I have to hear what "Bee Aware" sounds like with lyrics. I don't care if it's 50 Cent. Or Doseone.

-- Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, February 5, 2003 8:09 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

psc & lil scrappy - im a king remix

http://www.zshare.net/audio/8850972ded8d85/

― and what, Thursday, 13 March 2008 00:09 (seventeen years ago)

five years pass...

very little else hits the spot like el-p's production

― ghosts of cuddlestein butthurt circlejerk zinged fuckboy (imago), Thursday, 13 June 2013 21:48 (twelve years ago)

yet another year goes by without youtube coughing up co flow doing 'end to end burners' live on jo whiley's c4 show in 1999

― r|t|c, Friday, 14 June 2013 01:17 (twelve years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpgTzknXEIc

still bangs

― r|t|c, Friday, 14 June 2013 01:20 (twelve years ago)

a def jux record everyone should own is Farewell Fondle 'Em

― time considered as a helix of semi-precious owns (zvookster), Friday, 14 June 2013 01:26 (twelve years ago)

six years pass...

Fantastic Damage up on streaming services for the first time

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 14 May 2020 14:32 (five years ago)

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