S/D: Sepultura

Search: Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation & Schizophrenia (if only for the classic "Troops Of Doom" on the reissues)
On the fence: Arise & Chaos AD
Destroy: the Ross Robinson-produced albums

Earlier Vader albums (especially De Profundis) and Vomitory Redemption are probably closest to BtR-era Sepultura (and both excellent).

But really, Beneath the Remains is all you need.

And the reason for "Chaos AD" sounding like it did was simple: after "Arise", Sepultura did world tours with Pantera and Biohazard, and witnessed crowd reactions to their stop/start riffing and midtempo simple songs with lyrics the kids could comprehend and choruses they could shout at each other. I generally loathe that kind of hardcore/metal hybrid, but I've got to admit they did quite a decent job in that style with "Chaos AD". But you could already see where that development would lead to.

Back in the 80s we always had heated debates over which was the best Brazilian band: Vulcano, Sarcofago, Sextrash or Sepultura.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOwgtW_Qzgg

^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASArtPbjP4s

xD

S: Igor's drumming.

Any thoughts on the Cavalera Conspiracy? The two tracks up on their site are pretty good.
http://www.cavaleraconspiracy.com/

I have a thought. They should put Sepultura back together and sell me a concert ticket.

http://www.factmag.com/2013/10/02/james-murphy-to-produce-the-metal-white-stripes-with-former-sepultura-singer-and-drummer/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGdAP3yhwV4

Picked up last years release and like it despite its lack of Cavaleras!

Not a worldbeating release but enjoyable.

caught them today at Download and they were really surprisingly great.

really aggressive and new drummer really pounds.

Their new drummer is incredible, one of the hardest hitting metal drummers I've ever seen. The last album is very solid, indeed.

yeah it's gotten even better on third and fourth listen.

And the reason for "Chaos AD" sounding like it did was simple: after "Arise", Sepultura did world tours with Pantera and Biohazard, and witnessed crowd reactions to their stop/start riffing and midtempo simple songs with lyrics the kids could comprehend and choruses they could shout at each other.

In switching up their sound they tapped into something way more powerful and primal than their peers though. Purists will disagree no doubt, but Chaos AD is easily their best album for me, their only one I ever listen to start to finish these days.

I think I could listen to the drum intro to Territory on loop for about an hour before getting bored.

I still feel like Arise was the real blueprint of how to streamline thrash for a wider audience while still making a fucking great product. everything is so simplified from BTR (ie the title track's simple verse-chorus-verse), the songs don't meander as much, but they're still quality songs. I still prefer BTR, but Arise was a nice release too.

lately tho I have a hankering for Morbid Visions

I've been listening to Arise a fair bit recently and have *thoughts*. It's way more Metallica influenced than I remember, which is to say, both more proggy and more mainstream (equal parts Justice and Puppets). In memory it sounds more death metal than this. Also, given Brad's 'fills as hooks' comment on the ...Justice thread the other day, I think there's something in just how front and centre Igor is and just how hooky his fills are. He's a beast. Andreas plays some KILLER solos - the one on Arise - around 2.30 - is enough to cement his status. And this shouldn't be my last point, but fuck what a great album.

Oh! I've remembered what made me go back to Arise - it was the totem pole killer in an episode of Hannibal, which I'm watching 7 years after everyone else.

https://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/HannibalTotemPoleFinal.jpg?type=vertical

Good thread, had not seen---speaking of reinventions, here's my archived (slightly uncut, but still not that long) altweekly review of the post-Cavalera Dante XXI, with band backstory etc--couldn't make it to the Charlotte show that this piece was bait for, but heard they were great:
https://myloaf.blogspot.com/2017/02/symptoms-of-life-sepultura-still-digs.html

Andreas's solos always did more for me than Kirk's. he had a melodic flare at times that Kirk was never interested in.

Sepultura has always been very 'easily influenced' I feel - the old stuff is total Kreator/Sodom worship, then it became equal parts Slayer and Metallica for the Schizophrenia to Arise period, then Biohazard/Pantera for Chaos AD, then nu-metal for Roots & Against, and the past two decades have basically been a combination of all of these earlier periods.

sepultura albums poll when

NAU

I've now met a non-zero number of white people in last two months who not only say it seh-PULL-tur-uh (with the emphasis on the second syllable), but insist this is the authentic way to say it.

never thought I'd have to go over Portuguese syllable stress rules in a metal discussion in 2022 about a band whose name has been uttered millions of times, but hey

maybe they were taught how to say the name by the guy who does the menu screen narration on Double Dribble

still gonna ride for Roots. I think I was once psychotically against nu-metal and I STILLLLL hate a lot of it with a passion but this works very well. I think it works better than Soulfly's nu-metal albums because they moved a bit further away from why I liked Roots, leaned more into Limp Bizkit territory.

I mean it ain't no Beneath but hey

Max's wife Gloria, otoh, is possibly as bad as Sharon Osborne in stoking needless flames. went at Derrick a few years ago for him getting a rude question that he's had to endure for *25 years* in the band, which was people asking him if Sepultura would reunite with Max (basically putting him out of a job), and he handled it diplomatically, and Gloria said "Fuck you" to him in the press for it.

I had to work with her a few times when I was at Roadrunner, and she can be incredibly nice but she's also (unsurprisingly) convinced that Max's career is worth way more than it actually is and behaves accordingly. I feel like she's burned a lot of bridges over the years.

y'all, if you have an opportunity to see the Cavalera brothers touring Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation, fucking do it. it was the best show I've seen all year.

Max couldn't pass up the opportunity to be an asshole at the end of the show ("no matter what they tell you, this is the REAL Sepultura!"), but it was just a treat to hear this piece of old school Brazilian metal history. it was loud, pummeling, and Max was keyed up in a way I haven't seen him in a while. at Soulfly shows he looks more subdued, even though he's still into it. he looked like a kid up there last night.

setlist spoilers: there's no 'greatest hits' set after, other than Chaos AD/Territory and Escape to the Void - I appreciated that!