TS: Yoko Ono vs. Courtney Love

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Both widows of famous rockstars who died of gunshot wounds, both accused of being talentless and destroying their partners' work, both shriek a lot and enjoy flaunting nudity...

My vote goes to Yoko, easy.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

what yr fave yoko song?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:30 (twenty-three years ago)

yoko.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmm, I dunno - "Mrs. Lennon" maybe? I really like the Galaxie 500 version of "Listen the Snow is Falling" but I've never heard the original... and yrs is?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

"walking on thin ice"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm gonna watch ILX burn tonite hehehe

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

it's been done . If I remember correctly, Yoko had a lot of defenders here. What's not been done is a Yoko - S&D. For me, there's no comparison, but that hasn't stopped Courtney Love from insulting her, as she has just about any other avant garde woman.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

In a 1999 interview with Select magazine, Courtney was asked "Who is your favourite Beatle?". Her answer was "Yoko. As long as I get to be the cute one, I don't mind".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:10 (twenty-three years ago)

and "mindtrain" - dammit!

― your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

yoko rules!

i don't entirely dislike courtney... but yoko's 10x the concept grinder ms. love is.

― msp, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoko's quite a bit classier.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

YES YOKO!

Yes, we love Yoko in SF as evident in Elliot Lessing's conceptual review of Yoko's wonderful and conceptual art offering last year:
http://www.sanfranciscoartmagazine.com/02/august/yoko/yoko.html

Thank you Elliot and thank you Yoko.

― BurmaKitty, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

i wuv yoko.

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoko makes most people shutter in Fear..Courtney makes them laugh

― brg30 (brg30), Thursday, 6 February 2003 00:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I really do respect Yoko's intelligence and artistry, but Courtney gets my vote.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 6 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Courtney... but I am not too familiar with most of Ono's work, so maybe I'd be a fan if I heard/saw more. Hole's "20 years in the Dakota" was a kind of Ono tribute, I think, saying that riot grrls were forever in her debt etc.

― daria g, Thursday, 6 February 2003 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoko, hands down. Yoko bashing makes me sick, it's always so uninformed and based on an account from a friend of a friend of a friend who heard a muffled tape copy of Fly and said it was all yodelling - funnily enough I started listening to her because when I was younger I was a fan of Sean Lennon and he was on her 'Rising' CD - some songs I'd recommend: Sleepless Night, You're The One, What a Bastard the World Is, Looking over from My Hotel Window, and my personal favourite: I Felt Like Smashing My Face in a Clear Glass Window. 'Approximately Infinite Universe' is my favourite album of hers. I like Hole/Courtney well enough, but I feel Yoko is a lot more creative and entertaining.

and damn.. I never registered 'Lex' and now someone's taken it. That'll teach me.

― Alexis, Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Courtney. Cuz I'd definitely by her Greatest Hits album. I mean, she never even dared to just stand in front of Kurt going "ehhhheeyyyeehhheehhheeyyyeehhheeehhh" for minutes, god bless her. I'm not saying that's all Yoko ever did, but she DID do that. A lot! Plus Courtney's interview insanity ususally implies some level of brain behind it. Yoko is a chore to pay attention to. Not enough, "Oh! Shut Up! I am NOT."'s.

Though Nick Broomfield made Courtney seem scarier, Albert Goldman made Yoko seem less talented.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Courtney should be set on fire.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

THEN she'd sound like Yoko!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Courtney is better in interviews, just because Yoko says "y'know" too much. Yoko's better on record, though.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 6 February 2003 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoko without a doubt.
'Walking on thin ice' is a work of unparallelled genius - as is most of her seminal Season of Glass album.
Her last album 'Blueprint for a sunrise' was self indulgent rubbish, but the earlier stuff, up to 'Rising' - superb.
Courtney Love - grow up. When is she going to have her child taken from her? She's a disgrace. An embarrassment. Imagine the shame Frances will carry with her with a mother like Love.
Vile.

― russ t, Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:24 (twenty-three years ago)

nick broomfield shd be set on fire and have his child taken away from him: he is 138419034285190832475 times more evil even than ~~russ t~~ anyone ever

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 6 February 2003 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, she never even dared to just stand in front of Kurt going "ehhhheeyyyeehhheehhheeyyyeehhheeehhh" for minutes, god bless her.
What Kurt and Courtney did in the privacy of their own Heroin-addled stupor is their own business; but I would venture that she DID do that, every morning -- because they had no alarm clock -- and this is why Kurt eventually snapped and shot himself.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

'Courtney is better in interviews'

Yoko did OK on that radio int. on 'Wedding Album', and perhaps more surprisingly, so did John

― dave q, Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh Mark S, I bet Courtney, when she gets over the hangover and lives down the mortification of her latest public embarrassment after downing too many prescription tablets and Jack Daniels will be scouring the web looking for mention of her and her vile habits. Maybe she'll email you and thank you?
Nick Broomfield - why should he be shot? He's a filmmaker - perhaps your gung ho attitude to guns is one of the reasons society's so gnarled up nowadays.
Still, best thing that happened to Cobain, the shotgun.
Made a distinctly average musician and songwriter into a martyr.
Hey presto.

― russ t, Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i didn't say NB shd be shot, i said he shd be set on fire and have his kid taken away!!

however it's true, my gung ho attitude to pyromania and child abduction *are* two of the reasons society is so gnarled up today

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't know much of Yoko's music, to be honest. i like some of courtney's stuff, "Live through This" in particular.

Judged on personality, I'd prefer Yoko. I don't love her, but Alex is right when he says that she's classier. She's quite dignified.

I don't think Courtney is as bad as some people would have you believe, but she can be really irritating and stupid.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)

yoko is a faux fluxist.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't much care either way. Not that I'm against either of them, just not terribly interested. (sorry)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

faux fluxist ?

that's interesting - she was working with Maciunas BEFORE he came up with the Fluxus name.

I'm curious how then she can be considered faux

Richard

― rjoly, Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark S - yes, I thought so.

Anyone see the pix of Love at the Elton John gig last night? Dressed as an animal, then in nothing but her knickers and fishnets singing Don't let the sun go down on me.

God, she's a classy broad.

― russ t, Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:19 (twenty-three years ago)

i love courtney and yoko threads. they bring out a little alex in nyc in almost everyone

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

singing Don't let the sun go down on me.

And this is exactly why the gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm curious how then she can be considered faux
Enough of this artsy fartsy nomenclature. Don't we all know Yoko wasn't pretentious...she was Just Plain Fauxlks?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 February 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Courtney Love is a lot more hate-worthy than Yoko Ono, but personalities aside Yoko still wins. Search: "No, No, No" and the aforementioned "Walking on Thin Ice".

― die9o (dhadis), Thursday, 6 February 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

courtney looks well for her age, imho.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 6 February 2003 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)

" ... Yoko wasn't pretentious...she was Just Plain Fauxlks? " -- Lord Custos Epsilon

Just Plain Flux'', more like !

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 6 February 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Ono. Fight. Ono.

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 7 February 2003 02:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoko, for sure. Courtney always has been and always will be just a wannabe.

(wonder if, 10 years or so from now, there'll be a Francis Bean vs. Sean thread? :) )

― janni (janni), Friday, 7 February 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

"Courtney always has been and always will be just a wannabe."

Bingo. Yahtze. Score. Goal. Amen.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 February 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

she's a faux fluxist because that dude said she was. given his unqualfied manner, he has to be right.

this place is f**kn' worthless.

― jevjeb, Friday, 7 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Yoko may be many things (an irritant chiefly among them), but I don't think you can discredit her involvement in the Fluxus movement. From what I understand, she was pretty solidly involved.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 7 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

This reminds me of the "Xgau vs. Momus" thread. I've always felt that Yoko Ono (regardless of her background) was more "populist" in her art than someone like Courtney who's all "rock myth" romantic and meritocratic like some deposed Eurotrash. Which is exactly why she sneers at people who bang on pots and pans, or however she described people like the Raincoats. I'll defend Courtney when people pick on her for the wrong reasons, but not here.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 7 February 2003 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)

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