ray charles, search and destroy / classic or dud

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i don't think this has been done before...

jack (sweatypalms1234), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Search his Christmas album, as unlikely as that may sound.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

also his country albums

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

s: the right time. for the bit where the backing vocalist starts wailing

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Just get the damn The Birth of Soul 3 cd set on Rhino/Atlantic. Best purchase you'll ever make.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

& its got "the right time" on it!

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 6 February 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah!

Though, there is one annoying thing about the set. It's not his "complete" Atlantic recordings. It doesn't include his instrumental/jazz stuff (admittedly somewhat dispensible). They later put that out on a separate set. BUT, the thing is each of the three cd's in the Rhino set are like 50 minutes long! They could have put some of the other material on there to make it a better value, if nothing else.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The Birth of Soul yes yes yes yes yes. Also _Modern Sounds in Country & Western Music_.

Avoid his latter-day recordings & most instrumental records, but do go to see him live if you get the chance--instead of a greatest-hits show, he tends to play whatever he damn well feels like that night, out of a repertoire of several hundred songs.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I know one music writer who was covering a Ray Charles show. Ray was great, but the writer didn't recognize all of the songs. Afterward, he went up to the sound booth and asked the sound guy if there was a set list he could look at. The sound guy laughed and said, "Yeah, but it won't do you much good." It was just a list of numbers -- 51, 123, 7, etc. Apparently Ray has his entire catalog ordered and memorized, and he expects his band to know it too. The day of each show, he just scribbles out a list of numbers, and that's what they play.

Jesse Fox, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Ray Charles was the second show I ever saw, when I was about 7. The first was Peter Paul & Mary. I remember him chatting a lot.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Ray Charles memory: him saying something to the effect of, "I liked America the Beautiful, but I had to stink it up with my own shit."

What could be more American than that?

Kenan Hebert, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, search esp. "Swanee River Rock," "Drown in My Own Tears," " "I'm a Fool to Care" and--and--and "I Believe to My Soul."

Kudos to RC for totally avoiding all the VHIBehindtheMusic blather about his trials and hard living etc.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Brother Ray, his autobiography, is worth the search; really entertaining, much better than all later David Ritz-penned auto/bios would be (though that ain't sayin' much).

I'm quite fond of Ingredients in a Recipe for Soul

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 6 February 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously classic. I haven't got the Atlantic box set mentioned above, and it's obviously going to be more comprehensive for that period, but if you want a cheaper compilation you can get 'The Definitive Ray Charles' for little more than a tenner and it's got a wealth of stuff on there. Includes a lot of non-Atlantic tracks as well.

My personal favourite is 'Ray Charles Live' which has got his Newport set from 1958. But make sure you get the reissue which has got several tracks from another gig as well.

I second the recommendation for 'Brother Ray' (but I thoroughly enjoyed Ritz's Marvin biog as well).

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yr right, the Marvin's got lots of amazing interview stuff, dunnit? I'll take that back.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

My fave RC track - 'Lets Go Get Stoned', a boozeblues classic that takes on a nice extra dimension when you know abt Ray's problems w/ the needle.

It's real cocktail bar stuff, but I like his jazz collabs w/ Milt Jackson from the MJQ.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 6 February 2003 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone gave me the 5-CD box from Rhino...I don't often get to disc 5, with his versions of "Still Crazy After All These Years" and all. But he always surprises me, even on the cover versions of stuff like "Look What They've Done to My Song, Ma," that famous Melanie parody of Bob Dylan...he's good...

But the first two discs are pretty much all classics. My favorite Ray Charles? I always liked "My Bonnie" and "Greenbacks" and "Don't Let the Sun Catch You Cryin'."

The country stuff, I don't know, there's nothing wrong with it but I find it overdone...kind of like "Busted," though. But for country, give me Faron Young...

Edd Hurt (delta ed), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't much like the (too strident) horn and string charts on many of his C&W recordings, in fact I think those famous C&W albums are a bit overrated. I also think perhaps his 1970s recordings are unfairly dimissed in toto; I have one from '75 (I think) called Renaissance which is not bad at all.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I've got the fifties box and the country and western box, both worthy enough (caveats about the first noted above are important). What strikes me about the early Modern Sounds... material, though, is that having finally heard it I CANNOT get past the gloopy backing singers. They destroy just about every track, which is really frustrating.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no objection to the '50s box, even if it's a little under three hours put together. Better to make a concise point re. his R&B recordings than include jazz & other things just for the sake of sprawl. This still would have been a 3- or 4-record set in the days of vinyl which would have been considered generous. Ned is OTM about many of the C&W songs; I think this may have been Ray's overeager way of saying "C&W, but my way", i.e. Nashville Sound had been piling on the backup singers around the same time but Ray did so with a vengeance.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

His Atlantic stuff all seems to have the same arrangements that Dean Marting was using at the time. Sometimes they even did the same songs. What up with that, dog?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Er, Dean Martin recorded "Hallelujah I Love Her So"? Or do you mean the ABC recordings?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, probably do.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

so funky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBv5tEFRcho

Jordan, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Any fans here of his 70s records? They're sad and jazzy and I'm lost in them right now, and wondered if anyone out there had any thoughts on them.

Euler, Thursday, 1 October 2009 13:09 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

i had the same question tonight. i have a few of his '70s records, and i like all of them. any recommendations from other folks?

figuratively, but in a very real way (amateurist), Friday, 13 November 2009 06:04 (fifteen years ago)

five months pass...

RAY FUCKING CHARLES

Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autoban (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 30 April 2010 09:24 (fifteen years ago)

HE MIGHTY

Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autoban (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 30 April 2010 09:24 (fifteen years ago)

eight years pass...

i need to find a good "intro to the important parts of ray charles' musical contributions" source
thoughts?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:36 (six years ago)

You mean like a book, or just an allmusic guide to his albums, or something else?

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/the-real-ray-1.408647?mode=amp

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:48 (six years ago)

whatever anyone has to offer! all suggestions welcome
thank you

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:37 (six years ago)

Author Peter Guralnick has written about Charles first blending gospel stylings with pop, jazz, r’n’b, and rock on “I Got a Woman “ in 1954:

The direction Charles chose was to make records with his band. In November 1954, he called Ahmet Ertegun and Jerry Wexler to Atlanta to hear the group. "We met him at his hotel," recalls Wexter. "He took us across the street to a nightclub called the Royal Peacock -- this was in the afternoon, and his band was sitting there, all ready to play, just sitting there in their chairs, and he went to the piano and counted off and they hit into "I've Got a Woman," and that was it."

That was it. It was the fusion of all the elements that till then had simply failed to coalesee; it was the uninhibited, altogether abandoned sound of the church; it was the keening, ecstatic voicings by which the world has come to know Ray Charles best.

It is impossible to overestimate the impact of that record. Without ever making the pop charts, it exerted a profound influence on the course of American popular music. To Jerry Wexler it was the quintessence of Ray Charles and r&b.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:37 (six years ago)

“What’d I’Say” also seems crucial

curmudgeon, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:52 (six years ago)

ha! those are the two songs i chose to include in my slides
this is for a very brief survey of the 1950s output of ray charles and how influential it was. at least i know i am on the right track!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 10 November 2018 15:04 (six years ago)

five years pass...

Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music ... isn't country, imo? What am I missing?

alpine static, Wednesday, 25 September 2024 13:07 (one year ago)

It’s Countrypolitan!

The Clones of Dr. Slop (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 September 2024 13:28 (one year ago)

ten months pass...

fucking genius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30-0hSxvRM
Ray Charles performing “Walk the Line” & “Ring of Fire” on the Johnny Cash Show

budo jeru, Sunday, 24 August 2025 15:30 (two months ago)

So many great performances on that show

Reggie Clanker (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 25 August 2025 11:58 (one month ago)

That "Ring of Fire" take is especially nice.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 26 August 2025 21:18 (one month ago)

Charles scored a bunch of low '30s chart hits in the mid/late '60s, forgotten now, that are good covers and solid genre exercises.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 August 2025 22:30 (one month ago)


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