Pitchfork: New & Improved / Same Old Boss?

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Maybe it's the new layout, & maybe it's the lack of Kristin Sage Rockermann & Brent DiCrescendo (apologies for the pun/spelling error), but the last few times I've found myself skating over to Pitchfork, it seems to have improved immeasurably. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, though.

Thoughts, comments, concerns?

David Raposa, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The design is hard on the eyes, other than that, they do okay. All I ask for is an anchor tag when i click on a news story that isn't the top one.

Jeff, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pitchfork is Pitchfork - it's getting more and more professional and, you know, good luck to the people behind it on that front. I am totally not their target market as I find the idea of reading 4 reviews of indie rock every day unappealing. So I like it more the more they add eg. web-boards, reader mail, columns, features etc.

I think broadly though it's worse now than it was a year ago. They've hit a groove, aesthetically, and seem pretty content with it. Since their aesthetic - ambitious indie-rock - and mine don't much crossover, I find I like the site less.

Tom, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was just about to try and start a thread about the astounding horribleness of the Pitchfork webboard--what's wrong with those people? If you don't believe me, head over there and check out such fascinating conversations as "what do you look like" and "Where are the pitchfork ladies?"

Does being a trust-funded fake-me-out "indie rocker" kill brain cells? Or did these cretins not have any to being with?

adam, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Er... "begin" with. It's the cretin in me...

adam, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've looked at Pitchfork a total of maybe 4 times, and that was ages ago.

Their content didn't appear to be my sort of thing: their aesthetic and the artists they cover doesn't gel with my mine and the things I like. They're just a tad too testosterone-y for me, I suppose I can't relate.

I don't want to give the impression I'm dissing Pitchfork, it just doesn't speak to me.

Nicole, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Overall I find the *new look* to be worse... I will continue to read Pitchfork even though I find the writing to be poor, and sometimes even laughable.

Sean, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think I like it less now than I used to, I'm not sure if that's because I've discovered more and better writing on the web. The new design could be easier on the ol' peepers, too. I liked those soothing blue tones. I must give Brenty some credit for writing some genuinely witty and exciting reviews that got me liking PF in the first place. The PF aesthetic isn't really very far from mine, so I still read it very regularly. The "Pitchfork Opinion" certainly doesn't carry the same weight it did with me when I was first dipping my toes into the expansive waters of "indie", though.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Still, I mustn't complain too much- if they closed up shop, I don't know where I'd go for quality indie reviews. The other big name indie site are mostly terrible. Maybe I'm just visiting the wrong sites?

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I find myself skipping the first couple of paragraphs in each review as the author tries to bore me to death with personal anecdotes/nutty dialoge/and downright monkey businitism.

(the Lily's '3 way' an 8? More like a 5).

Steven James, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Does being a trust-funded fake-me-out "indie rocker" kill brain cells?

I want to declare a moratorium on references to trust-fund kids by American and Canadian posters. Otherwise, how are we gonna be able to keep making fun of Brits with their obsessions about who's a public schoolboy and who isn't ?

Patrick, Friday, 15 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three years pass...
Pitchfork has a new design today, however it may look better at first glance - but the user interface for the reviews section is useless - you need to use the bottom scrolling bar to read the review - on my screen resolution.

Sort this out Ryan Pitchfork !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 28 June 2004 10:42 (twenty years ago)

GET A NEW COMPUTER HIPPIE

People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Martian, what's your resolution, 2 X 1? I'm on 1024 * 768, & the site looks fine (also, it's not blocked by my office anymore for "mature" content!) (insert joke here).

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:23 (twenty years ago)

800 x 600, using IE 6 with medium text size on 17" monitor

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago)

800x600 mentalism

People love Gravity and Ebullition! (ex machina), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago)

i think it looks a lot better now. the type face still seems a bit too tiny.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I faked you out - I'm 1152x864. Hottness. I don't think anyone designs sites w/ 800x600 in mind anymore.

Also, props on the Georgia look-alike font for the reviews! (Is it Georgia?)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 June 2004 11:57 (twenty years ago)

i still think the user interace design/ information design is dud for the reviews

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/c/cure/cure.shtml

the left hand panel is too wide - resulting in the positioning of the review being too far to the right - and you have to use the scroll bar to read the reviews.

this would fail basic usability testing

contrast with an indicative review at the bbc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/rockandalt/reviews/killers_hotfuss.shtml

the positioning of the review - is centred on the webpage, i.e it has a user centric design and easy to read.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 28 June 2004 12:33 (twenty years ago)

"The Killers are cool".

I blame you for ruining my day DJM ;)

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 28 June 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago)

The design is hard on the eyes,

For real? I think it looks way more attractive and easier to read now. The layout is still kinda lame, but whatever.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Oh man, I've got to learn to read through these threads all the way.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't really have any preference between this one and the last two or three designs. I'd just like a moratorium put on blinking and otherwise animated ads.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago)

johnny fever, if you had a REAL BROWSER you could do that yourself.

Player Piano Gamelan (ex machina), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:41 (twenty years ago)

At work, I take the browser they give me.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago)

well, if you have time to read bitchfork, you have time to DOWNLOAD A REAL BROWSER MORAN

Player Piano Gamelan (ex machina), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago)

b..but...that's in violation of computer use agreement I signed.

Besides, I'm not talking about pop-ups and shit. What browser gets rid of embedded ads on the page?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago)

http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/08-2003/4541.html
http://krath.dk/linux/flash_blocking/

Player Piano Gamelan (ex machina), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago)

I don't think you're a moron (var.), Johnny.

ben tausig (datageneral), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.maniahill.com/images/morans.jpg

Player Piano Gamelan (ex machina), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Is he also addressing people with antiquated browsers?

ben tausig (datageneral), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

im having visual issues with the sidebar on the review pages. why does it have to take up so much space? its competing with the review that im trying to read [or perhaps thats the point.] also, why are the news items on the side centered, while everything else in the sidebar is aligned with the left? is really necessary to have the recent reviews in a 2 column format?

i do like the slate blue/seafoam green scheme - its easier on my eyes.

in the reviews, i might give a little bit more spacing between lines -- a pixel or three. i just feel like with the wordiness of pitchfork's writers, it gets overwhelming to see everything in such close quarters.

one last thing: the section headers ["new content" etc] are a bit too blurry from anti-aliasing/compression.

OK. im really done now.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago)

im having visual issues with the sidebar on the review pages. why does it have to take up so much space? its competing with the review that im trying to read [or perhaps thats the point.] also, why are the news items on the side centered, while everything else in the sidebar is aligned with the left? is really necessary to have the recent reviews in a 2 column format?

That makes two of us ! - Ryan Pitchfork please direct your webdesigner to make changes - usability and information design are important issues!

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:57 (twenty years ago)

the webdesigner had other stories to tell...

harshaw (jube), Monday, 28 June 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Wow, look at my 3-year-old anger upthread. Where did it all come from?

adam (adam), Monday, 28 June 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Is PFM in need of someone to do some programming and database changes in addition to the periodic design tweaks? I keep noticing the issue above where links to news items don't properly jump to the right item.

You'd think that in the age of content management some enterprising soul would stick each news item in some sort of database as an article, which would let you directly link to each. I also sent an email a while back mentioning that it'd be cool to search by reviewer, but I was informed that I should just do a search on the reviewer's name. I guess it's the same, but there seems to be a lot of stuff they're just not doing.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 28 June 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago)

plenty of fake but very little funk

harshaw (jube), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:18 (twenty years ago)

This design, overall, is harder to read than the last one. Replacing a sans-serif font with a serif font in the main article body is a bad move, particularly since text on a colored background is a strike against readability to begin with. The sidebar alongside the articles is way too large. The screen should comfortably scale to 800x600, no matter what -- many people don't want to take up their whole screen with a record review (especially if they're at work). In the old design, if you resized your screen to 800x600 (or if you were stuck with an 800x600 screen at work -- many still are), only the ads on the right were cut off -- the left sidebar and article still fit neatly in the window. Now 1/3 of the article is lopped off as well. And this is no mention nothing of the way the main page looks at smaller resolutions (50% scale):

http://giganticmag.com/images/Capture-pfm.jpg

That doesn't exactly say, "We're professionals." It looks more like a gallery of web advertisement than a page with content. Nothing is "above the fold." Some of the small touches are nice, but they're overwhelmed by a fundamentally broken layout.

Kenan (kenan), Monday, 28 June 2004 20:00 (twenty years ago)

That font is a little hard on the eyes in comparison to the last one they used. I don't know; it all feels sort of amateurish to me.

Steev (Steev), Monday, 28 June 2004 20:06 (twenty years ago)

It still looks busy.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 28 June 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago)

I like the color scheme better, but the layout is weak. AND HOLY CRAP THAT AD! I felt like I was at at Stop Bush site. But then I squinted, looked in the corner, and realized, yes...Pitchfork is still around.

The information problems are obvious... At first I thought it was just because I use the Firefox, but I checked in IE 6.0 and it still looked the same. The fact is, most people use an 800x600 resolution. Myself included on my desktop PC (though on Linux with my laptop I run 1024). To have to scroll right just to read the review is terrible. I'm sure you can write a Javascript function that reads what the viewer's resolution is. It's been a while since I've done web site coding, but I'd guess it would be reliable in most scenarios. And personally, I think the navigation bar on the left side is vastly disproportionate to the rest of the page. That might even be able to be chopped in half. I actually kind of like the two column new music box, but it doesn't work in with the general layout chosen.

Advice: new color scheme is good, correct major design problems outlined by many here, space the lines in reviews and choose a better font, and change the Pfork Newswire pic to fit new color scheme.

Also, I personally don't like how on the main page the title for each section (WATW, Reviews, News) fit perfectly on top of the pictures. It just looks, I don't know, amatuerish. Or perhaps what I don't like are the TABLES. Do you know what I mean? How you go to the front page and the first thing you notice after that amazing gigantic title of an ad are the three generic columns. It kind of worked under the old design, but now it just looks unfinished. Something should be done to smooth this out. I'd at least cut the space between the three columns down a bit.

Nick Perich (drpenguin5), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 04:39 (twenty years ago)

The Pitchfork logo is a HUGE waste of space.

Player Piano Gamelan (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago)

re: logo. maybe they're branding themselves as a bloated rock-crit enterprise that doesn't care about it's audience now that it knows that it holds them in the palm of their hand.

Sam Benson (Sam Benson), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago)

or they've also done that.

Sam Benson (Sam Benson), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:13 (twenty years ago)

the logo thing. sigh. never mind.

Sam Benson (Sam Benson), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago)


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