B Butcher - Another MBV Thread

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Could there be a MBV without Belinda (Bilinda)? Why isn't she given more credit? On ILM and in the press in general. Who else has ever pulled off those kind of vocals?

Just wondering.

Oh, and if she and Kevin aren't together anymore (I don't know if they are or aren't), there is no way any stuff from Shields will approach the inspired heights of Loveless. Agree? Disagree?

9843, Saturday, 8 February 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree.

also, I've told this story before, but on the creation-records.com (fansite), Debbie Googe says in an interview that Butcher auditioned for Kevin, Debbie and Colm by singing Dolly Parton's "Bargain Store" - which is one of the best/creepiest/sexiest songs ever. I think it really informs some of the thinking behind their greatest work - songs which Bilinda certainly influenced.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 8 February 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

AGREE!

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 8 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The deification of Kev S is just a result of the single male genius auteur-worshipping tendencies of music-press devouring MBV fans (of which I am/was one).

Belinda's contributions to those two albums ("Anything" and "Loveless") is undeniably crucial yet atrociously underplayed. They were fairly rubbish before she joined, weren't they?

Venga, Saturday, 8 February 2003 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree,the vocals are exceptional and certainly an important part of their "sound"
(based solely on loveless,i don't have anything else by them yet)
venga could well be on to something with regard to the auteur-worshipping attitude

robin (robin), Saturday, 8 February 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: the auteur theory

It's a line of thought that Shield's seems to have promoted himself in the interviews I have read, and no-one else from MBV seems to have claimed otherwise to my knowledge. I do think you are right that from the moment Butcher joined they started very rapidly switching up the gears until reaching the Isn't Anything/Loveless plateau, and Belinda's vocals contributed a very significant edge to their sound. It's hard to know what effect she had instrumentally however.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Sunday, 9 February 2003 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

NED RAGGETT TO THREAD POSTHASTE!

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 9 February 2003 03:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Gotta take credit for creating the thread. Sometimes I like to go incognito... then again, Tim D is probably incognito enough. Oh well.

Anyway, I really do feel that BB is just as responsible as KS for the glories of Isn't Anything, Loveless, and all the better EPs. Shields is no true technical genius, despite the fact that he's been portrayed as such again and again in the indie media. BB was much more than just a muse; much more than just a voice. They were two sides to one coin. Dissonance on the head and beauty on the tail.

Why aren't we asking for BB's next opuses? It's more than a shame that she gets so little credit.

So enter that in your Rock encyclopedia.

Tim D (Tim D), Sunday, 9 February 2003 05:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, she rules. Both she and Deb Googe (especially Deb) rocked the hell out of those songs live. Wouldn't change anything about that line-up in the slightest for good reason.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 February 2003 06:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I never got the chance to see MBV live as I didn't discover them until '95, but from the boots I've heard the more aggresive bass playing seemed to add an extra demension compared with the Shields-played Loveless bass tracks.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Sunday, 9 February 2003 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I disagree with the AUTEUR thing SO intensely.

My Bloody Valentine were very much part of the COUPLE archetype (See Fiona Fletcher's Archetypes 2 article in Careless Talk) rather than the auteur archetype. MBV were so great and so amazing because they balanced masculine and feminine elements, blending the two together into something amazing. To call them solely Kevin Shield's project is not just sexist, it's also just WRONG.

And don't go quoting some article in Sound On Sound to prove me wrong...

kate, Sunday, 9 February 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

bilinda's "Oooh-WOOOOOH!" at the end of "blown a wish" alone seals her goddess status. i mentioned her on the sexiest voices thread also, she sounds incredible.

"MBV were so great and so amazing because they balanced masculine and feminine elements, blending the two together into something amazing."

I agree.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 9 February 2003 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, I don't see any posts on the thread disagreeing with you.

Venga, Sunday, 9 February 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

that was it, that was the lineup. MBV wouldn't have been anything like as adulated as they are were it not for Bilinda having joined, because there's no way they would have sounded the way they did. it's entirely possible that something good in a very different way could have happened, but we wouldn't have gotten what we did at all. that's definitely not something i think the rest of the band could have pulled off by themselves---previous evidence is provided directly by them with their pre-Bilinda efforts.

some might argue that some people have very shaky beginnings before they manage to give birth to the most brilliant peaks of their careers, but i do think Bilinda was a VERY necessary part of that.

janni (janni), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

Bilinda over Liz Fraser.
Hope Sandoval over Bilinda.
? over Hope.

It's really a shame we couldn't hear more from her. The Tremolo EP would have been Pefect if BB sang the last song. Kevin's finest moment as a vocalist is without question "Sometimes", the most moving song I've heard from them incidentally.

dreamsonvhs, Saturday, 15 September 2007 06:52 (eighteen years ago)


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