C/D Paul McCartney Solo

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Do you think Paul McCartney solo is better than Paul McCartney with Wings or beatles? I like songs from all of these parts of his career (Hey Jude, Band on the Run, Maybe I'm Amazed). Some say he was best with the Beatles. The ILM tribe says:

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

DESTROY.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:17 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry, wrong kinda thread. DUD.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:18 (twenty-three years ago)

he's no Elton, that's for sure

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Elton, too!

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Only about three good songs solo:

"Jet"

"Junior's Farm"

"Listen to What the Man Said"

otherwise, it's shit.

chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:27 (twenty-three years ago)

"Jet" was Paul with Wings....not solo.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:48 (twenty-three years ago)

That's what I thought.

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:50 (twenty-three years ago)

The whole of 'Band on the Run' album is good apart from long song that does same thing in lots of cheesy styles. Even that's good, I take it back.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:55 (twenty-three years ago)

wings pretty much=solo, IMHE.

I like 'jet' and the start of 'C moon' and I like 'maybe I'm amazed' and 'no more lonely nights' and 'silly love songs'!!!

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Always loved "Live & Let Die," personally.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I only have the US CD of All the Best and an lp of Ram. I listened to the former for the first time in ages a while ago, and I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. I didn't hit the skip button once! I forgot how great the aforementioned "Junior's Farm" and "C Moon" were. I completely forgot that David Gilmour played on "No More Lonely Nights" (I was thinking "shit who is this guitar player sounding like Gilmour!")

It's an odd collection because it is missing some good bits ("Maybe I'm Amazed" "Helen Wheels" "Take it Away"). I'll probably just end up getting his lps eventually, like I usually do with artist I admire (sigh).

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:14 (twenty-three years ago)

the UK 'all the best' doesn't have junior's farm or...uncle albert/admiral halsey...it does have maybe I'm amazed and maybe another one.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

"Jet" was Paul with Wings....not solo.

-- Alex in NYC


There's no difference!! Paul was the, what do you say, "auteur"...

chicxulub (chicxulub), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Where is Pinefox when you need him?

Paul McCartney is one of those artists that I bet there's a potential CD-R or two's worth of stuff I would absolutely adore - really he needs to be a lot more obscure than he is, so some loving curator could trawl through his albums and B-Sides and make some selections. As it is his commercial/historical clout means the available compilations take the path of least resistance a bit too much.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-three years ago)

The *detailed* answer to the question would need some careful thought.

Beatles beat the rest hands-down - that much we know. Beyond that, RJG is probably right. But the best post-Beatles Macca I know is VENUS & MARS - a bit of a 70s masterpiece. TUG OF WAR also has great stuff; his work with Costello has its moments; and so does the FLAMING PIE LP (1997).

the pinefox, Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Pinefox right otm though I would add Ram to those he mentions.

I did the CDR thing with McCartneys back catalogue a year or two ago and managed to get 4 really good chronological comps. I would guess that a lot of people would like much of this stuff if they sat down and listened to it. McCartney solo though is almost dismissed and I don't think that the Wingspan comp kicked off the resurection of the post Beatles stuff that I or probably he expected.

mms (mms), Thursday, 13 February 2003 14:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Live and Let Die and the Frog Song excepted, DUD!!!

What I really can't get over is the fact that Paul himself doesn't realise how rubbish he is nowadays. Wake up!

He really seems to think his solo work is comparable to the Beatles. It's not. Maybe it was always going to be a dissapointment by the Beatles standards, but by _any_ standards it's awful. And still he doesn't get it.

Maybe if we all stood outside his house with placards saying "Paul, your music is now shit!" he'd get it. But I doubt it. He'd probably think "Hey those guys have spelled 'hit' wrong".

Dud.

mei (mei), Thursday, 13 February 2003 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd say "Listen to What The Man said", "Jet", "Junior's Farm", most of "Ram" & about half of "McCartney" are as good as, say, a good proportion of the White LP. And certainly better than any of John's solo records. Quality control was never Macca's forte (Bip Bop, anyone?), but that's the point: the unpredictability of his solo output is one of the things that makes it appealing. That & the peerless way he has with a melody.

harveyw (harveyw), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to like "No More Lonely Nights", but only for Dave Gilmour's solo at the end.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

"Mamunia" from Band on the Run was good, except for a bunch of out of tune guitars. Also, the cooing harmonies in "Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five" always get me. "Dear Boy" from Ram, also the short little title track. He's really always been good in spurts (yes, even today).

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

"Coming Up"!!! classic

dave q, Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

My favourites from WINGSPAN: Bluebird, Junk, Waterfalls, Tug of War, Pipes of Peace, virtually everything that was on WINGS GREATEST back in the day.

Favourite videos: Goodnight Tonight, Pipes of Peace.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I like that "simply having a wonderful Christmastime" song (ducks)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd forgotten that one. A classic of its genre, instantly recognisable despite using all the Christmas cliches.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Half a C: MCCARTNEY II. This is, by Macca's standards, a completely outre work. Recorded solo-style after breaking up Wings, it's full of strange experiments that occasionally work amazingly well. "Coming Up," "Summer's Day Song" and "One Of These Days" are all great songs, completely void of the usual antiseptic sheen of Paul's post-RAM work. "Frozen Jap" and "Front Parlour" are pleasantly out-of-character instrumentals. You'll want to skip the rest of the LP, though, especially "Waterfalls" and "Darkroom."

Also C: "Jet," "Too Many People," "Let Me Roll It," "Spin It On" (Wings go thrash!)

mike a (mike a), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:54 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, yeah, I do love 'pipes of peace' and 'simply having...' too.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't forget C moon!

RSPMJLGH (Piano Man), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Or "Rock Show"!

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 14 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

WINGSPAN shall be my chosen listening today.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 February 2003 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I recently rediscovered my 'all the best' cassette that my dad gave me one christmas when I'd asked for george michael's 'faith.'

good old dad.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)

1987.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 14 February 2003 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

RJG, your story moves me.

the pinefox, Friday, 14 February 2003 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Bizarrely, I bought that for my dad. It's one of the few compilations to celebrate the Frog Chorus. Not even the three-dimensional slipcase makes up for that oversight on WINGSPAN.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

: )

I don't think I've even seen a copy of WINGSPAN in a record store.

I reminded my dad about the 'all the best'-for-christmas thing on friday night when we were in a car. he didn't really remember. he said "and why did she [my mum] buy you that instead?" and I told him again and he understood. then he asked "and why did you want 'faith'??" and the answer was...I was six...I had seen it advertised on television.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 16 February 2003 05:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i second 1985; that song is really fun... when i was a kid, i used to really enjoy making up stupid lyrics to "let me roll it" like, um, "i can't tell you how i sneeze, my nose is like a breeze - let me blow it"... somehow that joke never got old for me!

dave k, Sunday, 16 February 2003 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

WINGSPAN seems to be on special offer everywhere now. But tread carefully, some of them have boring two-dimensional sleeves. I see there is also a WINGSPAN book available, which must be a real treat. More alarmingly, I saw a bootleg of something called the ROCKESTRA in action. I thought ROCKESTRA was just a piece of music, but no. Fortunately, the bootleg was really expensive, so I didn't get it.

Yes, COMING UP is great.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's the book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316860328/qid=1045408789/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_3_1/026-5101041-0610836

It's an intimate scrapbook.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Miller, you're wrong. I've NEVER seen WINGSPAN on special offer ANYWHERE.

Capitals are the new italics.

the pinefox, Sunday, 16 February 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.fnac.es/dsp/?servlet=extended.HomeExtendedServlet&Code1=4235268501&Code2=85&prodID=338673

If that's not a special offer I'll EAT MY HAT. Note controversial opinion expressed herein: the best solo Paul McCartney work did not appear until FLOWERS IN THE DIRT. Before anyone rushes to order it, please note that it appears to be two-dimensional.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Sunday, 16 February 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"Every Night" from the first solo album is an idyll of a song, very "Railways Conserve The Environment" 1970 (as opposed to, you know, RADICAL 1970) indeed. I'd have liked it if he'd written "Come And Get It" slightly later so it could be his first solo single, because it's better than "Another Day", or if he'd written it slightly earlier so it could be a Beatles single, because it's better than "Hello Goodbye". The promo film for "Helen Wheels" is fantastically evocative. "Hi Hi Hi" is better than "My Ding-A-Ling" precisely because it *isn't* "in the tradition of the music hall" (the hilarious reason given by the ultra-conservative Charles Curran-era BBC as to why it was still playing Chuck Berry's lowpoint when it had banned the Wings song in December 1972). It's also better than "C Moon", the glorified B-side which stole the airplay.

I used to listen to my mum's copy of "All The Best" all the time. On vinyl, too.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Spies Like Us.

amazing.

Love Coming Up and C Moon too.

Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Every Night is wonderful. I have a fondness for the Pipes of Peace that might be spoiled by listening to it again. I wasn't the only 9 year old to have it in my class. I liked 'The Man' off that (w/Michael Jackson) a lot.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 02:57 (twenty-three years ago)

You should give Pipes of Peace a listen and Report Back, N. The tablas make it curiously modern in the current climate. And the sentiments are obv. very much in vogue.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 17 February 2003 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Following on from Robin's wishes for Macca to write songs a bit earlier... I've always had this strange dream that the four Fabs actually sat down at some point in early 70, said "Let's forget about 'let it be' and make one final fine EP, one song each..." and they end up doing "Instant Karma", "Maybe I'm Amazed", "Isn't it a pity?" and "It don't come easy". Now that would have been good.

And then I wake up.

I had "All the best" on CD for many years, never listened to it, but I'll agree that "Venus and Mars" is a neglected classic, as is the first McCartney LP, very primitive but rather homely.

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 17 February 2003 10:55 (twenty-three years ago)

nick has heard PIPES OF PEACE again, recently--maybe he just didn't notice/doesn't remember.

I had dreams about WINGSPAN last night. or it featured in my last night's dreams. I think it was really big and cost one hundred and twenty-five pounds or twenty-five pounds and was sealed in plastic and didn't tell me the tracklisting.

record shopping w/ allyC, yesterday, we saw many mccartney/wings albums. WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND looked OK but was on cassette and three pounds fifty.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

SPEED OF SOUND is one of the weaker Wings efforts, I think. "Wino Junko," "Must Do Something About It," "Cook of The House"...no thanks. "Time To Hide" and "Beware My Love" are OK in a '70s AOR sort of way, though.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 17 February 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

'silly love songs' must redeem all.

RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 February 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't hate that much of his studio solo stuff (don't love it either, most of it) but that new live album...the man's lost his voice and won't quit trying. Please, please stop, Paul, for your own sake. You suck like Billy Joel.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 17 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant the Pipes of Peace album, RJG. I heard only two tracks off it in your car.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 February 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

this is better than I expected

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 May 2026 16:36 (two weeks ago)

I can't stand that Andrew Watt glaze though.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 May 2026 16:37 (two weeks ago)

Ugh it’s elder abuse at this point!

Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Friday, 8 May 2026 16:42 (two weeks ago)

kids used to kick a ball in the alley

disco stabbing horror (lukas), Friday, 8 May 2026 17:13 (two weeks ago)

oh no they made two members of the beatles (notoriously hate singing) sing a song together :(

the manda-whore-ian and hoe-gu (voodoo chili), Friday, 8 May 2026 17:30 (two weeks ago)

Watt does terribly on the Stones songs (which aren't very good to begin with) and at first here I was thinking 'oh god Ringo's final drumming will be marred with this fucking drum sound' but I got over it pretty quickly; I don't think he's too intrusive here.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 8 May 2026 17:41 (two weeks ago)

production is unlistenable, christ

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 11:29 (one week ago)

Is that a new Oasis song?

Clarinet Cop (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 11:54 (one week ago)

Beginning to suspect that Andrew Watt is actually a semi-convincing avatar for AI production software - the song he did with Morrissey was exactly like what Suno or whatever would chuck out if you asked it to produce a Smiths song, with AI compression, autontune and general production values.

Maggy Scraggle, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 12:54 (one week ago)

It foes soubd like Oasis

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 19:38 (one week ago)

Jagger raves about Watt because he knows "thousands" of songs and can jam with them, so I'm fairly certain Watt's AI.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 19:40 (one week ago)

Beginning to suspect that Andrew Watt is actually a semi-convincing avatar for AI production software - the song he did with Morrissey was exactly like what Suno or whatever would chuck out if you asked it to produce a Smiths song, with AI compression, autontune and general production values.

― Maggy Scraggle, Tuesday, May 12, 2026 7:54 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The entire Iggy Pop record he did sounds like AI-Iggy

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 19:42 (one week ago)

Xps grrr sorry for typos. For some reason they're worse when I post to ilx

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 19:48 (one week ago)

Watt can fix the typos.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 19:50 (one week ago)

I don't hate Watt as much as everyone else, but he does have a heavy stamp and everything he has worked on that I've heard sounds over produced in the kind of way Mutt Lang's stuff is over produced. There's a kind of swirly sheen over everything on this song that I think is obviously working to address and smoothe over shakiness in the vocals. I'm not sure it would sound any better without those corrective measures though.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 20:02 (one week ago)

watt would be tolerable (if bland) if he didn't reliably do what he does to the vocals, that sounds so bad

ufo, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 20:49 (one week ago)

Seriously. The Macca/Ringo duet is so pitch corrected it sounds like it was sung by the animatronic presidents at Disneyland.

Davey D, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 20:52 (one week ago)

it's not just the pitch correction, the vocals always end up kinda buried in the mix to try to disguise the flaws i guess? it just results in them sounding garbled, especially because everything else is so polished and clean

ufo, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:11 (one week ago)

i thought i was listening to the wrong tune, i can’t even really hear ringo?

Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:13 (one week ago)

That's because Bernard Purdie sang over him.

The Man Who Sold the Unisphere (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:16 (one week ago)

🥁

The Man Who Sold the Unisphere (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:16 (one week ago)

ringo and paul sound very alike in this, which I attribute to whatever processing he's throwing on their voices

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:25 (one week ago)

I can't hear Ringo either

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:25 (one week ago)

(though, also, Paul's voice has gotten worse so it's maybe also the case that Paul kind of now sounds like Ringo)

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:25 (one week ago)

Ringo sings the second line: "and you can be forgiven if you thought that it was rough"

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:26 (one week ago)

i thought i was listening to the wrong tune, i can’t even really hear ringo?

Or Paul.

Clarinet Cop (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:27 (one week ago)

somewhere George is cackling, short of breath.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:38 (one week ago)

what production style would we prefer in this era from Paul? woolly home recordings on a tascam? raw/confessional Rick Rubin thing? stately Elvis Costello collab?

Cattedrale metropolitana di Santa Maria de Episcopio, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:40 (one week ago)

Yes, yes, and yes!

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:44 (one week ago)

Paul is a pretty good producer in his own right. He produced himself during his gravy period.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:44 (one week ago)

if watt just produced the vocals in a remotely normal way instead of putting this garbling sheen on everything it'd be fine. i certainly don't believe that mccartney's voice has deteriorated so much that this was the only way to get a usable vocal take, especially not when watt does this same thing on that morrissey track

ufo, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:45 (one week ago)

lol this really does sound like oasis

if mccartney's going to do some vague throwback sound he could do a lot better. bring back paul mccartney, disco bassist

ufo, Tuesday, 12 May 2026 22:57 (one week ago)

^this!

The Man Who Sold the Unisphere (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 01:01 (one week ago)

Took me a few listens, but I like this one well enough. Sounds like a Rutles song! And a good one! I think the range is mostly D3 to D4. Paul does hit one F# above that near the end. I kind of imagine he can hit the notes in that octave fairly well. If I'm missing sonic cues suggesting pitch correction, I'd be interested to know what those are.

timellison, Wednesday, 13 May 2026 03:15 (one week ago)

Kind of think this one could work well in the context of the album, too (with its thematic element), so hopeful on that.

timellison, Wednesday, 13 May 2026 03:16 (one week ago)

Sounds like a Rutles song!

ha, otm.

not sure what you guys who can't hear ringo aren't hearing -- his voice is super clear to me, even if age and vocal processing has brought him and paul a little closer together in timbre than they used to be.

harmonies sometimes veer close to jeff lynne/elo territory (e.g. on the line "we didn't worry where the road was going to lead us to").

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 13 May 2026 03:58 (one week ago)

Dirk and Barry!

timellison, Wednesday, 13 May 2026 04:10 (one week ago)

Shocked and stunned

The Man Who Sold the Unisphere (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 04:51 (one week ago)

Listening now. Yeah, it does sound like something off of Archaeology.

The Man Who Sold the Unisphere (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 06:37 (one week ago)

even comparing the Watt to Mutt Lange is so out of line, super insulting to Lange.Watt's productions sound like AI.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 11:33 (one week ago)

yeah I don't at all hear Mutt in this sheen.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 11:35 (one week ago)

brian johnson fed through the watt vocal garbler is a terrifying idea

ufo, Wednesday, 13 May 2026 11:53 (one week ago)

this is well off-topic but i just learned that the watt-produced morrissey track is from the unreleased album he recorded with basically the red hot chili peppers which makes it so much funnier

ufo, Wednesday, 13 May 2026 12:11 (one week ago)

I will say Home to Us is very catchy and memorable, usually I get through his new stuff and couldn't remember a note when I'm done.

does Ringo play drums on it?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 12:34 (one week ago)

I believe so, yeah.

The vocal processing is odd but the song is lovely!

TheNuNuNu, Wednesday, 13 May 2026 16:12 (one week ago)

The vocals on Ringo's drums were processed too.

boners for bombs (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 16:15 (one week ago)

Should really have got Pete Best in to play the drums.

Clarinet Cop (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 17:53 (one week ago)

Swirls like a 64kbps mp3 file but the song Is charming doggerel. I think Watt has a sound which simulates pop sheen when filtered by octogenarian ears.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 19:33 (one week ago)

Just today I got a substack alert about a Pete Best story.

The Man Who Sold the Unisphere (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 13 May 2026 20:26 (one week ago)

My feeling about the production is that it has charm but also feels a little generic. I don't hear it as sheen. There are at least three rhythm guitars, probably more. I kind of like the treatment of the backing vocals, although if you're going to have Chrissie Hynde, it would be nice to be able to pick her voice out.

timellison, Friday, 15 May 2026 01:51 (one week ago)


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