Radiohead - There There: C/D?

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Deep man-harmonies.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Where are you getting all these? on slsk?

― Michael B, Monday, 17 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah. about four decades ago, too. :-P

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

charming! are you sure aren't Thom Yorke instead.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

jus a complete headfuck!

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Monday, 17 February 2003 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I like it a lot, not as much as Myoxymatosisisisis. My girlfriend loves it though, and she doesn't even like post-Bends Radiohead.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 03:35 (twenty-three years ago)

They played it first every night.
I liked watching Ed and Jonny play drums.
Jonny played his like a glockenspiel--two drumsticks per hand.
On MP3, the song is nice and melodic.
But live, it's just pounding and beautiful.
And the three-part harmonies are really wonderful.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 08:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Utterly classic, was dazzled by Ed and Jonny's Adam and the Ants style drumming. My chosen song to bawl along to while cooking or washing up - my neighbours might experience deja vu when it's released as a single.

― leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...

this song reminds me of "instant street" by dEUS

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

man-harmonies!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 14 June 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"instant street" is nice and poppy and all but i don't see any parallels to this song. "there there" is extremely powerful. in a way this reminds me of the power of joy division. "there there" is less bleak than jd and it breathes much more air but it is a song the listener is drawn into and can impossibly escape. the groove is irresistible. the drums are light, the bass guitars are very heavy and deep and yorke's voice is hovering above. and these beautiful mysterious gloomy lyrics: "just cos you feel it, it doesn't mean it's there", "we are accidents to happen".

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Saturday, 14 June 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"there there" is extremely powerful. in a way this reminds me of the power of joy division.

Interesting you say that because I still remember when I saw them in 2000 and they started with a version of "The National Anthem" that made me think, "My god, this is how it must have felt seeing Joy Division live on their best night ever." A strange comparison maybe but it's what I thought at the time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 June 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm so listening to this album again tonight, cuz somebody (if not all of you) are on crack.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 14 June 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I am on crack. There There is so good i can't express it.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 15 June 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Eu gostei tanto que não consigo ficar sem escutar cada dia. É uma viagem. Thom Yorke tem música em suas veias.

― Doutor D, Saturday, 26 July 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

It's pleasant enough, but - apart from the nice Bohemian Like You-esque drumming - doesn't really do anything special until the guitar frenzy climax.

See, it's a Radiohead song which merits adjectives like 'pleasant' and 'nice'. Says it all.

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 26 July 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The rhythm reminds me a lot of that Tom Waits boom-clang style percussion; this is a good thing.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Saturday, 26 July 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The percussion at the beginning of the song actually reminds me of Bjork's "Human Behavior." Even more so when you see the video.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 26 July 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The more I hear this song, the more I adore it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 27 July 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

it is greta

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 27 July 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Like Garbo?

I love it, though it's getting overplayed down here. The second i heard it on the live set that was floating around last fall, it screamed SINGLE.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Sunday, 27 July 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

This song is too good, I believe it is Radiohead's best

― joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

It's not their best but it's very high up there. Completely fantastic.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

You can imagine the shit-eating grin on the long-suffering Ed O'Brien's face as he joins the two other guitarists for an honest-to-goodness SOLO in the song's last minute and a half.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

One of the best songs on my favorite Radiohead album.

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

The song that restored my faith in the band. Amazing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

About the fifth time I listened to this song, that change that comes halfway through just floored me, just out of nowhere. I had to sit down and take it in.

― Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

yay!

― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Seeing them do that live was just astonishing -- the triple drumming!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

probably my favorite song by them. i don't know where it's from but i saw a video on winamp tv a few years ago of them doing it accoustic in the studio and it was f'in great.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

hasn't stuck with me a day since I first put down my copy of Hail to the Thief, dudddedy dudd dud. I'll even take "Go To Sleep" over it.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

You must be kidding :0

― joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

what a great song.

― Lingbertt, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

This song rules! Yay!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

"Go To Sleep" is also excellent. That whole album is excellent.

Hating "There There" is like hating life.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

(Or liking Interpol, ha)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

don't hate it, I'd probably enjoy it if I heard it again (probably haven't in close to two years), but for a Great Radiohead Anthem it has zero resonance.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

one of my favorites from httt.

― sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

You can imagine the shit-eating grin on the long-suffering Ed O'Brien's face as he joins the two other guitarists for an honest-to-goodness SOLO in the song's last minute and a half.

I remember seeing a video of them playing it live and I thought either Yorke or Greenwood did that solo. I could be wrong.

― Nigel (Nigel), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

'Tis Jonny - he puts the drumsticks down and rocks out. I can't think of another Radiohead song where you have to wait so long for the pay-off, but when it hits, oh man...

― Deluxe (Damian), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

i love this song, even though i don't really care for radiohead. but whenever i listen to it, i fast-forward straight to the guitar solo. it's so so great. radiohead should release an album of only guitar solos, with no vocals whatsoever. then i think i would like them again

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

I like this song.

― Lingbertt, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

Great song, but Hail to the Thief sounds like Radiohead put everything they've done into a blender and set it to "bland". I mean it's a good record, but it's just a retread of what they've already done, only it's nowhere near as compelling.

― Hat (Hat), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

Fair comment - when it came out it definitely sounded like the end of one cycle to me, so it's my hope that the next one will be as different to HTTT as Kid A was to what preceded it.

― Deluxe (Damian), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:08 (twenty years ago)

It's still the best thing on that dull album.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

Dull????

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

Saying dull = crazy talk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

Me no Radiohead fan.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

You can not be a fan of something and still be able to distinguish between "dull" and "unappealling"!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Often Radiohead are dull, unappealing, and interesting on the same song.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

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Reggeatonhead

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, btw, how do you put text in italics on thsi baord? Is it standard [i][/i]?

Use angle brackets instead of square (<I></I>).

I'm trying to think of a band that's released more than five albums that can't be described they way you've described Radiohead. What is the difference between a band with a recognizable style and a band that releases the same thing over and over again?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

ok but surely the "There There" fans must admit that it is the worst music video Radiohead (or pretty much anyone else, for that matter) has ever created.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

You haven't seen "Poison" by the Weathermen, have you?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

what, do they imitate the Machina: The Machines of God liner note artwork in that one? 'Coz otherwise I don't see how it could be worse.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

ok but surely the "There There" fans must admit that it is the worst music video Radiohead (or pretty much anyone else, for that matter) has ever created.

... Okay, setting aside my opinion that the video is awesome, haven't you seen Coldplay's "The Scientist"? Or any (either?) of the My Chemical Romance videos? Or Heart's post-comeback videos? Or those "videos" The Replacements did?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

wowzah. Uh, yes, I've seen those, and with the possible exception of "These Dreams" I remain exceedingly comfortable with my statement.

also MCR have three videos now.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

what, do they imitate the Machina: The Machines of God liner note artwork in that one? 'Coz otherwise I don't see how it could be worse.

Donut can back me up on this that the first thirty seconds of that Weathermen video are the most tragically awful thing ever done. Laughing at, not with, in this case -- and if you haven't seen it you'll never know. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I like it (There There) a lot, and I agree with Ned about the triple drumming when I saw them live. For some reason the song reminds me of 80s REM.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

-- The Ghost of Black Elegance

You're right of course. But each Radiohead album has sounded very different from the one that preceded it (sans Amnesiac, but as that was essentially an album of b sides - although I prefer it - from the Kid A sessions it doesn't count...). I guess I expected something very different again with Hail to the Thief but it wasn't to be.

― Hat (Hat), Thursday, 13 October 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

I particularly like this early live version from Salamanca in 2002. The transition in the song was more of a jackknife turn than the more subtle transition that's on the album and that they play live now.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 13 October 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

I kind of agree with Hat! This thread made me decide to give HTTT another try since I haven't listened to it in forever. I just don't get much out of it aside from a handful of songs. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood for it. I did end up finally liking "The Gloaming" though.

"A Wolf At The Door" was extremely silly live, especially with Thom mewling those silly questions and the audience clapping along. It was like being on Sesame Street.

This sounds more like "We Suck Young Blood"..? "Wolf" is one of the things I really like on the album.

― sleep (sleep), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Wolves also suck young blood, you know.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

"The Gloaming" and "We Suck Young Blood" are both also fantastic, ESPECIALLY "We Suck Young Blood". The queasy, lurching plod through the verses and chorus into that accelerated bridge... SO GOOD. Then the harmonies expand out and the whole thing just starts to howl and wail...!

I honestly can't comprehend disliking this album and am extremely happy that I do like it so much.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

I hate Thom Yorke's voice for the same reasons you hate Brandon Flowers', Dan.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

subtract "backdrifts", "the gloaming", "go to sleep" and "punchup"

add "paperbag writer" and "gagging order"

substitute the los angeles version of "i will" in for the album version

i would have loved that record

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

But "Backdrifts" is my favourite song on that record!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

Me too.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

nick and mark in different taste shocker

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

I'm kinda used to having different tast to almost everyone on here.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Different tat.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

I hate Thom Yorke's voice for the same reasons you hate Brandon Flowers', Dan.

I don't think you do, actually. Thom Yorke's voice is idiosyncratic but his sense of pitch is an order of magnitude better than Brandon Flowers'. Also, his ability to sustain notes is an order of magnitude better and his tessitura is higher, so even though they are often singing in the same range, Yorke doesn't sound like he's straining to hit the notes in the same way that Flowers does. Flowers belts continuously; in both "Somebody Told Me" and "Mr. Brightside" he is muscling his way through every single note and phrase with no real sense of inflection or concept of vocal shading, whereas Yorke approaches practically every single song he sings from a completely different angle; he does belt from time to time, but he also uses his falsetto, utilizes his head voice as well as his chest voice, follows vocal phrases with a greater sense of emphasis on important words/syllables than Flowers, has some concept of dynamic shading, etc etc etc. This isn't even going into the fact that Flowers' monochromatic delivery can work really, really well (see "Somebody Told Me").

Your statement is roughly equivalent to saying "I hate that entire color palette for the same reasons you hate the color blue" when it isn't even a given that I always dislike the color blue.

(I also admit that my read on Flowers' singing is driven solely on the two big Killers singles as those are the only things by them I've heard, plus Radiohead has an unfair advantage when it comes to making Yorke seem like a versatile singer because they have something like nine times as many songs from which one can draw examples.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Dan bringing the vocal science!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

God, I HATED "Punch Up."

Something about HTTT didn't click for me, though it does boast a handful of fantasic songs.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Your statement is roughly equivalent to saying "I hate that entire color palette for the same reasons you hate the color blue" when it isn't even a given that I always dislike the color blue.

Not at all. Setting aside tessitura and the difference b/w head and chest voices, Yorke and Flowers have the same problem: their voices complement the songs in all the most unpleasant ways. You're totally right about Flowers' lack of inflection and weakness for belting, which is why I find most of the Killers stuff (with the exception of "Mr Brighside" and "All The Things That I've Done") unbearable.

Like Flowers, Yorke wrings every awful, mannered sentiment in his lyrics. There are exceptions (I really love "There There").

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

*in=from

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

I completely disagree that Yorke's voice complements the songs in all the most unpleasant ways or that he wrings mannered sentiement out of every lyric (how do you wring sentiment out of a lyric with deadpan delivery, such as in "Myxomatosis", "Creep", "I May Be Wrong" or "No Surprises", for example). He would have approached "The Pyramid Song", "High and Dry" and "Knives Out" in a completely different manner if he was doing what you're saying and songs like "Paranoid Android" and "We Suck Young Blood" wouldn't work at all if he sang them differently.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

"Knives Out"
"Just"
"Pyramid Song"
"We Suck Young Blood"

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

"Pyramid Song" is sung flat-affect; the only real difference is the difference between the falsetto section and the difference between the head voice section. "Just" is a great vocal performance; the twists and snarls express a level of contempt with the subject of the lyrics that's thrilling to listen to. "Knives Out" is sung pretty lightly; most of the energy is going into sustaining the soaring phrases as opposed to over-emoting. "We Suck Young Blood" is a total character piece that would make absolutely no sense if you sang it straight with no sense of inflection or drama.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

It seems to me that you don't dislike Thom Yorke's singing as much as you don't like the types of songs Radiohead likes to write.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I suspect I'd like Radiohead more if Thom Yorke sang those daft lyrics with a Bernard Sumner-esque breeziness.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

IE, more like Brandon Flowers?????

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

I just wish radiohead would lighten the fuck up, but then again that goes against their very existence.

I also found myself getting annoyed at their press blitz for HTT. Kinda like OH NO THIS IS OK COMPUTER 2, DONT BE AFRAID. If you want to be 'arty' be arty and tell people to kiss your ass if they dont like it.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm a Radiohead whore yet missed the press "blitz"? Maybe more "blitz" in the UK than US? (No pun intended.) Do I, or did I simply, not hang at the magazine rack enough?

― Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Thursday, 13 October 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

no one has mentioned that "there there" is like joy division crossed with CCR.

― La Monte (La Monte), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Radiohead lightening up would suck nutz.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

no one has mentioned that "there there" is like joy division crossed with CCR.
-- La Monte (lamont...), October 14th, 2005.

OH MY GOD. The kewpie doll is yours!

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 13 October 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Nobody has mentioned my 2nd favorite song on the album:

"I Will" C/D?

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 14 October 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

zimmer I read it in the NME. perhaps thats my problem.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 14 October 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

The percussion sounds like that off Disco Inferno's 'Broken'.

But not as good.

― Sasha (sgh), Friday, 14 October 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)

Where I End and You Begin is really good as well....I don't understand all the hate for HTTT

― joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Friday, 14 October 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Just curious to know what Radiohead songs people think are their best?

― joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Sunday, 16 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

Where I end and You begin = AMAZING

― crashandburn (joeschmoe), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:52 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but the thread title is "There There."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:26 (twenty years ago)

still somehow the best thing they've ever done. there there, that is.

― Vintage Latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:48 (twenty years ago)

Does anyone hear the Stones in this song?

― Freud Junior (Freud Junior), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Anybody song that makes "We are accidents waiting to happen" sound like the most joyful thing in the world gets an A in my book

― hopination (joeschmoe), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:29 (twenty years ago)

This song makes me really happy but that might be tied up with having seen it performed in public for the first time in Lisbon in 2002.

― leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm amused by my spat with Dan upthread.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

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