Jacques Brel - advice on what to get please!

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After hearing some Jacques Brel covers (Scott Walker, Bowie, Sinatra) I am v. interested in checking him out some more, but I have no idea on what to buy. He seems prety obscure, and not speaking French either may be a bit of a hinderance to me!

What I really need is a best of with the translations in the booklet - I long shot I know, but that's the ideal. Anybody know of anything approaching this, or if not, what would be the best avenue into his music?

Johnney B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

My advice: First do Serge Gainsbourg ... the joyous side of life....


I have never liked Brel, except for the cowboy movie he once made in an abandoned mine. Silly movie.

Jan

Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Brel is a great songwriter - but I always think his songs are better interpreted by other singers.

Best Brel covers? Try the Marc Almond album 'Jacques' and listen to Alison Moyet's 'Ne Me Quitte Pas' (the definitive version of this song).

russ t, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

brel in his best form (&passionate&emotional, although that's inherent) can be heard on the Olympia '64 live-registration. it contains some of the songs covered by the people u mentioned. i don't know if there's an issue (re-) that includes translation of the lyrics, though...

willem (willem), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott Walker did loads of Brel covers; they're collected on a compilation called something like Walker sings Brel. I'd avoid the "Jacques Brel is Alive and Well and Living in Paris" thing; it sounds way too Broadway-cheesy, although it has its moments. I guess I prefer Brel interepreted by rock singers.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Brel is a great songwriter - but I always think his songs are better interpreted by other singers."
WRONG : he is a great interpret, and that's why i don't really like Walker's versions wich are too mono-expressives.
The best introduction is "Brel - Quinze ans d'amour" (Barclay)

Bruno, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i have a 2 cd compilation called quand on n'a que l'amour thats really good,no lyrics though
you could possibly get the lyrics translated on the internet somewhere?

robin (robin), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I disagree that Brel was best performed by others. I don't know if there's a good CD with English translations, but you can find many translations on the interweb.

I actually imagine that the value of Brel would be severely diminished if you don't understand French. If you've heard the Scott Walker covers you can probably imagine what I mean. It's sort of like listening to Leonard Cohen without understanding English; you might get the general attitudinal gist and the music is occasionally very fine, but you're by and large missing the point.

That said, the album to look for is this one, a double CD of his best songs -- including my favorite, "Les Vieux":

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006UMF.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Cross-post. I mean to say that I think Brel is a wonderful interpreter of his own songs.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think there's a version with translations--actually, a friend of mine was working on translations a couple years ago for his own use.

But Quand on n'a que l'amour is a good intro, otherwise I'd suggest Live at Olympia.

slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i have only a vague idea of what the lyrics mean in most of the tracks,but i still enjoy the cd...
if you have any knowledge of french you should be able to get the gist...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

err...Bruno.... you may think I'm (in bold capitals) WRONG.

However, I believe myself to be CORRECT.

It's called a difference of opinion.

Thank you.

russ t, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Russ, i really think it's the language barrier lead to the perception of Brel more as a composer than an interpret. Actually in France he is considered as The Voice (a sick voice, if you want).
Also, there are many versions of each song and it's true that some of them are mediocre (those with big band especially).
two examples of his capacities you should listen
- "Les bonbons" : the singer is a fool rejected by the one he loves, the performance is almost comic but the humiliation is palpable
- "Au suivant" : a song about the national service, brel plays alternately the warrant officer (as a fag) and the conscript, him, and is singing is so full of hate, of rage and above all of scorn. it's beatiful
(also the end of "Amsterdam" in the live version (live at l'Olympia, october 1964))

Bruno, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Buy a couple of best ofs and find the translations on the web - sticking the lyrics into Babelfish gives rough yet sufficient results. Main two tracks you need are 'Ne me quitte pas' obviously, I reckon his version is the best by far, and 'Voir un ami pleurer' which is another killer weepy number. He's got some saucy accordian sounds too but I'm not sure of the names.

Ian SPACK (Ian SPACK), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Bruno, are you in France?

sticking the lyrics into Babelfish gives rough yet sufficient results


Er, um...

"Old Men" by Babelfish


The old men do not speak any more or then only sometimes of the end of the rich eyes
Même they are poor, they do not have more illusions and do not have that a heart for two
On their premises that feels the thyme, the characteristic, the lavender and the verb of antan
Which one lives in Paris one saw all in province when one saw
too a long time Is this to have too much laughed that their voice crack when they speak about yesterday
And to have cried too much that tears still bead to them with the eyelids
And if they tremble a little is this to see aging the money
clock Which hums with the show I await you

the old men do not dream more, their books ensommeillent myself, their pianos are closed
the kitten died, the muscatel of Sunday does not make them more sing
the old men do not move more their gestures have too many wrinkles their world is too small
bed with the window, then bed at the armchair and then bed with the bed
And if they still leave arm above arms very equipped below with stiff
is to follow to the sun the burial of older, the burial of more ugly
And the time of a sob, to forget a whole hour it who says yes who says not, and then which awaits them

the old men do not die, they fall asleep one day and sleep too a long time
They are held by the hand, they are afraid to lose themselves and however lose
And the other remains, the best there or the worst, the soft one or severe the
That does not import, that of both which remainder is found in hell
will perhaps see it to You, you will sometimes see it in rain and sorrow
Traverser the present while being already excused not to be not further
And to flee in front of you last once it hum with the show, which says yes who says not, who says to them: I await you
Which hums with the show, which says yes who says not and then which awaits us.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

that's where i live, yes.

Bruno, Tuesday, 18 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah see! It's like listening to a little kid tell you what happened at school if he went to school in the 18th century and read Voltaire all day in a dusty library.

I particularly like the Babelfishified translation of Francoise Hardy's cover of Cohen's 'Suzanne'.

Ian SPACK (Ian SPACK), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

See also

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

my fave is his last album les marquises. his farewell to the world. an impressionist album. not very chanson-like.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 18 February 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

twelve years pass...

The Primo 2cd set has surprisingly good sound for a cheapo compi.
I've been listening to the 2nd disc for the last week.
Surprised to hear the instrumentation on Ne Me Quitte Pas cos I thought it sounded like a theremin at the begining until I found out it was an Ondes Martenot. Still seems pretty weird sound for mainstream chanson.

Really enjoying the disc so may need to pick up some more stuff by him. I think I have some mid 60s live stuff if the harddrive they were on didn't crash.

Stevolende, Thursday, 13 August 2015 21:36 (ten years ago)

I thought it sounded like a theremin at the begining until I found out it was an Ondes Martenot. Still seems pretty weird sound for mainstream chanson.

He uses it on a few songs.

The Tony Hart Land (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2015 22:04 (ten years ago)

... or, more accurately, his arrangers do.

The Tony Hart Land (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 August 2015 22:04 (ten years ago)


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