Husker Du > Replacements, Paul Westerberg

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Right?

― Famous Athlete, Thursday, 20 February 2003 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

If you switch your <'s the other way, you're exactly right.

― paul cox (paul cox), Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

At least for the first half.

― paul cox (paul cox), Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

B-b-but I didn't use any <'s.

― Famous Athlete, Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok. What I meant was your >'s...yeah.

― paul cox (paul cox), Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

do you mean post-'mats PW > post-du BM?

― Aaron A., Thursday, 20 February 2003 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I take the Replacements over Husker Du, but I really don't wanna say anything denigrating the Huskers, because they were so damn great. It's just that I was 16 the first time I heard Let It Be, and if you're 16 when you hear "Sixteen Blue," you're kind of bonded to Paul Westerberg for the rest of your life. I love lots and lots of Husker Du, but there's no moment in their catalog that I'd put up against "Favorite Thing." Or "Unsatisfied." Or "Answering Machine." On the Paul vs. Bob side... I dunno. I pick Grant Hart.

― Jesse Fox, Thursday, 20 February 2003 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually I wanna pink Grant Hart too. Is "Pink Turns to Blue" the best Du song there is? Yes.

― Famous Athlete, Thursday, 20 February 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait wait how do you make that "greater than or equals" sign with the > underlined?

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 20 February 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the replacements own this comparison, hands down. i used to like hüsker dü, now i can't say that i give a rat's ass about them (in no small part bc they deserve at least part of the blame for emo).

i have absolutely no use for westerberg solo. same goes for mould, solo or in sugar.

― Tad (llamasfur), Thursday, 20 February 2003 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

This sort of thing still starts bar fights in Minneapolis.

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 20 February 2003 07:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Greater than or equal ====> >=

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 February 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)

put an the tag for underline, like this: [u]>[/u] except replace the [ with <. <

― brains (cerybut), Thursday, 20 February 2003 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

the replacements are not so good. i don't have any husker du, but I love "Beaster" by Sugar. Much better than the polished, overrated "Copper Blue".

Someone explain what's so good about the replacements. sounds like a load of hoary cock-rock drivel to me...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 20 February 2003 10:20 (twenty-two years ago)

The Replacements were my favorite band in college, the Huskers a close second.
Jesse, I'm with you on "Favorite Thing," an unheralded classic. I did that song in an air guitar contest in college. We pretended we were drunk, kicked a beer can in the audience and were booed, of course.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 20 February 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the Mats own this field, with the Huskers in close second. "Color Me Impressed" and "I Will Dare" and "Favorite Thing" sort of render a lot of 90s indie rock useless.

Sugar did seem like a good idea at the time, if only on the strength of "The Act We Act Alone." Though I probably haven't listened to it for 8 years or so at this point.

I am curious if anybody has heard that electronic Bob Mould stuff, I think released under the name Loudbomb? Have wanted to look into for some time.

― j breitling (BlastsofStatic), Thursday, 20 February 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Neither group managed to ever top their early EPs (Stink and Metal Circus). I have a much harder time saying I don't like Husker Du than saying I don't like the Replacements; Husker Du at least loved me and I'd like to love them back. Zen Arcade is pretty cool; it sounds almost like a Voivod album. The solo stuff all sucks.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 20 February 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I take the Replacements over Husker Du, but I really don't wanna say anything denigrating the Huskers, because they were so damn great. -- Jesse Fox

Can't I just have all the Placemats and Huskers in one big California King Sized bed for myself???

STOP THE HATE!

― BurmaKitty (BurmaKitty), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Replacements>Husker Du>Sugar>Paul Westerberg>Bob Mould

personally

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

though I have a soft spot for Bob's self-titled album.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Minutemen > all of the above

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Minutemen did some good stuff, but I never thought the problem with Husker Du or Replacements was that they sang in tune, could rhyme and didn't play funkier.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

See Sermon #2

― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 20 February 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

One reporter's opinion:

"The Glory of Man" + "Definitions" + "Search" + "Black Sheep" + "History Lesson Part II" + "Corona" >

"Eight Miles High" + "Girl Who Lives on Heaven Hill" + "Games" + "Whatever" + "Everything Falls Apart" + "Diane" >

"Within Your Reach" + "Unsatisfied" + "God Damn Job" + "Swingin Party" + "Johnny's Gonna Die" + "Alex Chilton"

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

For what it's worth, I don't make the comparison lightly. I saw great shows by all three in '84-'85 at Turner Hall in Madison, Wisconsin. I saw great shows last year by Westerberg and Mould. I bought Zen Arcade/Double Nickels/Let it Be in the same week in 1984. I never saw a need to choose between albums that change your life. But I always suspected Minutemen would stay closest to my heart, and I was right.

I could argue Minutemen were the most groundbreaking, that no one has approached their musical attack or lyrical sweep, including Mike Watt. But if all you hear is "funky" and out-of-tune, I'll do better to just agree to disagree...

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you Pete

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The conversations always make me feel like a mutant because when I first heard the Replacements and Husker Du (via my older brother; I think I was approx. 11), I instantly loved Husker Du and instantly hated The Replacements. _Zen Arcade_ seemed like the greatest thing in the world (besides Men Without Hats, Adam and The Ants, Rush and Toto Coelo) while _Let It Be_ was just... BORING. It felt like no one was doing what Husker Du was doing while anyone could do what The Replacements were doing. It wasn't until I heard "Within Your Reach" years later on the _Say Anything_ soundtrack that I had any positive feelings towards The Replacements, and even that wasn't enough to make me actively seek out anything else they did.

And yeah, The Minutemen rocked.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Westerberg had better hair than Mould, no doubt about that.

― Sean (Sean), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

For better read 'more,' you mean? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

westerberg solo has some awful moments, to be sure, but the stereo/mono albums were a bit of alright. i'm a 'mats person all the way.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Weren't Replacements and Husker Du rival bands at one point or something?

I know they are from the same area. Hmm....

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Thursday, 20 February 2003 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I get all mushy when I think of the number of classic albums that came out in 1984.

Bob Mould's solo career was compelling until he went electronica. I have to tell you that I've never been so disappointed in an artist than when I heard "Megamanic" on the hubcap record. And I barely made it through Modulate more than a few times before it was assigned a permanent ban on my stereo. I really don't think I can compare the lowest lows of Westy's career (whoa, how about "A Star Is Bored" on the Melrose Place soundtrack) can match Mould's latest curiousity. Not to mention his multimedia show that I saw down here, which failed me on more levels than I could have even expected.

The Huskers couldn't hold a candle to the Minutemen, but they were sure better players than the Mats. But the Replacements always seemed to have more heart, so they win for me.

Mats>Huskers>Westerberg>Mould

P.S. Mould's "Workbook" is still one of the better bitter pills ever recorded.

― don weiner, Friday, 21 February 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Minutemen > Husker Du > Replacements > Grant Hart > Westerberg > a whole lot of stuff > Bob Mould

― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 21 February 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, hey, hey. Bob Mould did "See a Little Light" which is a great, great song. 10x better than Westerbergs "Dyslexic Heart"; ergo Mould > Westerberg.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 21 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to post to this thread saying something like "Jesus, has anyone actually listened to those Westerberg albums? They don't even hold a candle to Bob's solo stuff". But I realize there's no point, that people on ILx have a natural hate-on for Bob, so I won't bother.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 21 February 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

But the Replacements always seemed to have more heart
Ha! They had so little heart .. that's why the Huskers hated them so much.. They constantly fucked around on stage, played half of a song and then quit, etc .. and got signed to Twin Tone while everyone else was working hard & not getting a deal..

Of course, that's part of why I love them so much....

Minutemen > Mats > Huskers
Watt > Hart ~ Mould > Westerburg

Watt is still kicking ass .. Mould's new schtick is gawdawful, but first few were great, as was Sugar (don't care what you think) .. Westerburg is just boring.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 21 February 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Sean, I love Mould. I just hate Modulate.

What I meant by heart is that the Huskers seemed fueled much more by ambition than emotion. And by heart I'm referring to the dozen or so spectacular songs that pretty much defined the aura of the Mats.

Watt rules.

― don weiner, Friday, 21 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The reason most of us on ILX hate husker du is theyre just a horrid meat and veg band who looked horrible. bald men dont make good music. Non-image bands are generally boring too. Like huskers

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Sugar were the most overrated band of the early 80s. Still cant believe that album won album of the year in 92 (i think it was). Horrid overproduced nonsense.

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Who was bald in Husker Du? Apparently, Ian your image conscious...go back to listening to NSync. What a shallow post...

― Carr Thickson, Friday, 21 February 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

bald men dont make good music

Isaac Hayes does.

― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 21 February 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

image ... hmm what is it i music buis... well for most part the company desides about it .....

for the first many years after hearing husker du i dident know how they locked or anything ....

but they are GODS

― kenny nielsen, Friday, 21 February 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

they looked like bricklayers. Sounded like em too
isaac hayes didnt play punk rock though james

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Isaac Hayes had style. Looked as good as he sounded.

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it only punk that bald people aren't allowed to make now? I must've missed a meeting.

― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 21 February 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

most punkers are probably bald now anyway. whether thats the main reason they shouldnt make music is another matter. They certainly should stear clear of electronic music (orbital excepted as they werent from a punk band)

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

what the fuck are we talking about? I'm unclear as to who is on what side, what image has to do with music, etc, etc,... I defer to my previous post.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 21 February 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it possible to like aband who look really awful? i cant. whether its husker du/sugar or the music. its so off putting.
I prefer bands who have style and look as good as the music they make. Im sure most will disagree with my opinions.

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

You're entitled to your opinion.. as long as you're not, ya know, homely or something...

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 21 February 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Its funny reading funny comments by crazy youngsters & random punkers.
We are all just music fans (and some of us are even dedicated fans)and what set Husker Du apart of the rest of the slam pit was the ability to ask real questions that went beyond street politics and phrases. Musically, they been unique (like Dead Kennedys & Black Flag) and had nothing to do with a style later called "emo" (aaargh!)or "old-school" crap. (Punk used to be anti-school...)
Its just music to live your life by,and Chartered Trips is ringing forevermore in my ears. Too bad you missed that one...

― Cosgrove Pennebaker, Friday, 21 February 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Husker Du would have been way better had Bob Mould been cute. Even his voice sounded ugly.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 21 February 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

and fat people shouldnt be in bands either. at least the bassists 'tache was good. The best thing about them.

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Leslie West to thread!

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 21 February 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian, have you ever considered that you might be an idiot?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian what is your "fashion" fetish about music? Who gives a rats ass what the band looks like-as long as the music is outstanding...I guess if they all looked liked Justin Timberlake you would have accepted them...what a shallow individual...

― Jerr Rickson (mal2478), Friday, 21 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Their music sucks, The rest of the comments are in jest. I thought that was obvious

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

It wasn't obvious enough, yo. (The "Bald people shouldn't be in bands" thing was a big clue, though.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 February 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Now wait a minute... Justin Timberlake in Husker Du! Can he have his shirt off in band photos?

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 21 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

im bald y'see.

― ian smyth, Friday, 21 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

and ignorant

― Jerr Rickson (mal2478), Friday, 21 February 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Sugar is the best, severely UNDERRATED.
Husker Du is awesome as well.
I don't care much for a lot of Bob's solo stuff but it's still very good.
never got into The Replacements.
it doesnt matter what the musicans look like.

― Cyrus Dewey, Friday, 21 February 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Lemmy Kilmister fashionable?

― mal2478 (mal2478), Friday, 21 February 2003 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know about fashionable, but he sure is sexy.

― Brink Sprickly, Friday, 21 February 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Who Lemmy or Bob?

― mal2478 (mal2478), Friday, 21 February 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Lemmy

― Brink Sprickly, Friday, 21 February 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Lemmy is fashionable in a whisky, cigar-smoking way...who couldn't see him as the poster boy Harley Davidson?

― mal2478 (mal2478), Friday, 21 February 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Might I add that Mould is looking svelte these days.

Completely unrelated opinion: I love the songs on Modulate, and think their his best recordings since 1985, seriously.

― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 21 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Minutemen > Replacements > Husker Du > Mike Watt > Bob Mould > Paul Westerberg

The Minutemen are way beyond, but the 'Mats and the Du are fairly close together-like. I'd flip them around if it wasn't for Let It Be, actually. Warehouse is better than Don't Tell a Soul and All Shook Down combined.

Mould's solo stuff is massively inconsistent, and I thought Sugar was overrated. Westerberg has been a snooze his entire solo career. Watt's career has been sparse, but more interesting than either. I just haven't heard enought Grant Hart to judge, although I suspect he would at the very least trump Westerberg's solo stuff.

― J (Jay), Friday, 21 February 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me just say again.. Watt is still seriously kicking ass. Go see him if you get the chance.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 21 February 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, let me argue against this in at least one of his guises. I saw him leading a bass/organ/drum lineup opening for Savage Republic in November, and good god was it awful. Never did my friend ML's criticism of his current work as being 'this generation's Canned Heat' ring truer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 February 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't think Modulate was that bad if you compare it to it's real competitors: the '80s work of Pete Townshend, Peter Gabriel, etc. Not good either. The only real keeper was a song called "Trade," near the end, that I swear could be on VH1 Classic's We Are The Eighties. Sort of like Sugar's "I Can't Believe What You're Saying" remixed by Pat Leonard.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony, I love you but you're obviously high. Peter Gabriel's 80s output featured PG3 and Security, both utter classics, and Pete T's output during the early 80s had some really good moments as well. I don't MIND Modulate but no way in my mind is it even comparable to "Intruder" or "Shock the Monkey" or whathave you from those albums. (Keep in mind I love Bob's solo work while I'm saying this.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

ok. I misrepresented myself. I think the Townshend/Gabriel stuff is more consistent, but I think Modulate sounds better when you put in THAT genre as opposed to Mould's claims of making "electronica."

Though "Trade" stands up to those guys' 80s stuff I think.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Mike Watt as a person, and I love it when his band segues from "All Hands on the Bad One" to "Joe McCarthy's Ghost," but I still look forward to him making a good solo record.

― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 21 February 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Pete S. has a good point re: _Modulate_ (at least, in terms of it being Mould's most interesting & least turgid solo recording, i.e. the one where he sounds like he's trying to make progress & do something newish) (with _Workbook_ being his best solo offering theoretically & on paper, were it not for spotty writing and the awful awful awful production) (& his self-titled album being my secret fave for inexplicable reasons, possibly because it's the record where Bob sounds most like he doesn't give a shit about anything except getting shit off his chest & pleasing himself) (tho the CD single released concurrently w/ said self-titled album has 3 b-sides that rival the best songs on that record, including the single they're supporting).

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 22 February 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

And the only thing I can say about the Mats is that I really wish the best songs from _Let It Be_ & _Tim_ were put on one CD, because the divots those records coughed up made appreciating these albums a dicey proposition.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 22 February 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Huskers sounded like standard issue hardcore.

Replacements, even on their not-so-good first album, were always better then being a hardcore band.

― David Allen, Saturday, 22 February 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

here's what it boils down with me wr2 hüsker dü v. the replacements:

replacements = eighties Minneapolis/punkish mix of the kinks (westerberg even looks like ray davies) and the stones (westerberg looks like, and used to act like, keith richards)

hüsker dü = eighties Minneapolish/punkish mix of the who (mastermind overly fond of "concept" pieces, turned back on promisingly noisy beginnings and ended up making boring-and-indulgent-as-shit solo "confessional" albums) and the beatles (wr2 self-conscious "artiness" and the classicism underlying the songs even at their noisiest)

kinks and stones = übergods in Tad's universe; and who and beatles = very nice when it right mood, but i don't feel the need to listen to any of it ever again thanks.

ergo: the replacements > hüsker dü.

― Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 22 February 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

But the Replacements always seemed to have more heart
Ha! They had so little heart .. that's why the Huskers hated them so much.. They constantly fucked around on stage, played half of a song and then quit, etc ..

The Replacements stage shtick always struck me as the actions of a bunch of guys who were embarassed by how deeply they felt things. Most heart of any band without getting maudlin, 'Mats all the way!

― nickn (nickn), Saturday, 22 February 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.magnetmagazine.com/home/cover68.jpg

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

My take on the issue,

Replacements > Husker Du > Early Solo Bob M. / Sugar > Solo Tommy / Perfect / Bash + Pop > Solo Paul > Early Solo Chris > Solo Grant + Nova Mob > Solo Slim > Recent Solo Bob M. > Late Solo Chris > Solo Bob S. + Stinson Blvd.

Caveat: According to Audioscrobbler, I am Chris Mars's biggest fan.

― subgenius (subgenius), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

You know, I never really read Magnet, but I must concede the genius of having a website that denotes exactly what's in each issue without supplanting each issue. Needless to say, I know what I'm buying to read on the plane tomorrow! Or at least, read in the waiting lounge, given the thin state of most mags.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

mould looks like edgar winter with that thing pulled over his head like that...

― john'n'chicago, Friday, 24 June 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

mould looks like edgar winter with that thing pulled over his head like that...

Actually...

― M\V, Friday, 24 June 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

― M\V, Friday, 24 June 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

http://photos11.flickr.com/12041644_e2f6540c7b_m.jpg

― M\V, Friday, 24 June 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

Ooooh, I should be able to pick that up in Borders in a week or so. Not sure what Bob's doing with the Burka though.
Arguing between the Mats, the Du and Minutemen is crazy. They're all amazing, wonderful bands.
I think Zen Arcade and New Day Rising are absolutely phenomenal, but there's something in the Mats' scrappy, snotty but vulnerable approach that's just so damn warm, human and thrilling.
As Gina Arnold said, the Du were the more innovative band, but with the Mats, it was love.
Let It Be instantly became one of my favourite records. I raved and raved about it to people. Thing is, they're not so well known over here, cos they rarely, if ever, toured the UK (correct me if I'm wrong). When I talk to American indie kids though they're like, duuuude, nice Mats badge!

― Stew (stew s), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

You had me until As Gina Arnold said....

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Gina Arnold hate aside, it's a fair observation, dontcha think?
Is her regular journalism horrible? I've only read her Road TO Nirvana book, which prior to Our Band Could Be Your Life, was the only decent thing on post hardcore and college rock widely available in the UK. She can be a bit melodramatic at times, particularly the cheesy bit where she talks about meeting Paul Westerberg, but it's a zippy enough read. I don't have any massive objection to her putting herself into the book. After all, nobody minded Lester Bangs doing it...cue numerous posts beginning, "well, actually..." :)

― Stew (stew s), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

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Husker Du > Replacements, Paul Westerberg > Bob Mould