Dirtbombs/Gories Vs JSBX Vs Rocket From The Crypt Vs Billy Childish

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Who rules 90s/00s Garage Rock?

― Brendan Baloney, Thursday, 20 February 2003 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I say RFTC! Just for Hot Charity & Scream Dracula Scream.

― Brendan Baloney, Thursday, 20 February 2003 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

the mummies circa "play their own records" beat the whole lot

― bob snoom, Thursday, 20 February 2003 13:42 (twenty-three years ago)

If it's just 90s/00s then take Billy out of the equation, as he rules 70s/80s/90s/00s.

― Wandering Boy Poet, Thursday, 20 February 2003 13:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Rocket for the end results, Billy for the inspiration.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.grunnenrocks.nl/images/pics/evans.jpg

Monsieur Jeffrey Evans rules this thread...w/o him, no Blues Explosion, no Oblivians, no nothing.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm gonna say: The Gories... by 20 lengths.

― gygax!, Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm gonna say the Oblivians.

― hstencil, Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, it's clearly not Jon Spencer because he plays a variant on heavy metal (which, last time I looked, doesn't have too much to do with garage). I could get obscure on yr asses here but... I kinda like 2-chord Thee Headcoatees the best

― Jerry (Jerry), Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Do Mudhoney count?

― Brendan Baloney, Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Gotta represent and say Mick Collins/Gores/Dirtbombs.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

thee Gorees

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 20 February 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

the notion that heavy metal doesn't have too much to do with garage is one of the dumber things posted to ilm in recent months

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, hello... yardbirds?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

anyway, any mick collins fronted project by miles and miles and miles (of style)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

jess, let's not talk about heavy metal - Chuck might yell at me again!

― hstencil, Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, alright i'll change tacks: the problem with jon spencer isn't that he plays heavy metal, it's that he's been completely useless for the last dozen or so years.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

eh, Extra Width is all right. Best thing that guy ever was involved with was Historia de la Musica Rock, tho.

― hstencil, Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, i should admit i haven't really heard anything since "orange" but pussy galore had a much better gag than the blues xplosion ever did (jsbx are pretty great live, i will admit)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard stuff since Orange, but that was the last one I liked. I don't own any of it anymore besides the Controversial Negro promo LP.

― hstencil, Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

nah, the first 3 jsbx records (crypt-style,extra width and orange) are pretty well perfect and just a different deal entirely than pussy galore. the flashes of brilliance of pg {eg cunt-tease, revolution summer, biker rock loser} were brighter, louder, more firecracker-like, essentially more PUNk than JSBX which was - even on those 3 perfect records - a boogie band. but they were based kind of to a t on those jb's live at the apollo records which was great.

after those 3, nothing much interesting. and that calvin dude is king midas in reverse bigtime

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

i blame him for the collapse of industry in olympia in general and our lack of a good sandwich shop

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

but the they're not garage point I think is fair enough for spencer - but all the good bands that have come out of garage in its revivalist stage - oblivians, mummies, guitar wolf, gories - are the ones who weren't garage in a purist sense - even the billy childish bands are powered by his own invented idea of what garage means.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

well that's the whole trick, no?
to take something and make it yr own.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, the whole beatles boots/shag haircuts/60s amps thing is just pointless.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i just mean exactly none of the bands named here would be considered capital-g Garage by most garagistas - and they're not looking for bands that take something and make it their own, they're looking for 4,000 versions of 'hey joe' and even so i don't know if they're entirely wrong to be all Amish about such things, just that they're antiques freaks looking for the perfect wickerback chair

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

The best thing that could come out of this White Stripes success cycle (which may well be over as far as I know) would be some exposure for Mick Collins and Billy Childish.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I know what you're saying, but neither seem to want exposure much

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:12 (twenty-three years ago)

as individuals anyway

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i was actually just thinking about this the other day...the normal ilm line about "underground success" is that we want the streets or some house act or whomever to break out into mainstream success, but for someone who was buying estrus and in the red records throughout the 90s, the white stripes do represent the same basic thing, which is rarely discussed

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

blues x for the theremin

― stevie (stevie), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

So its ok for some house or pop act to get huge, but ILMers turn against 'indie' acts if they get big/or even just get hyped up by music mags?
Why arent they treated the same?

― Brendan Baloney, Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

did you fail reading comprehension?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

because once upon a time (1983), being Indie was a call-to-arms against being mainstream.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 February 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

1983?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

random year

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Got a problem jess? No slight on you was intended.

― Brendan Baloney, Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh i have just been informed by email that you ahve a huge chip on your shoulder and always try to start fights. My apolpgies.

― Brendan Baloney, Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)

no its just that you seemed to completely misinterpret my statement (i.e. there was no value judgment involved...also, i can't presume to speak for the ilx massive these days because i really have no idea who makes it up anymore)

haha in light of the crosspost i'm going to just scrap that and say you did fail reading comprehension after all

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I think we're all forgetting about the real superstar anyway...
http://www.datasync.com/~spongey/andrew.GIF

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i think he bought that suit from ned

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

?!?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

chris v. (with photoshop) to thread plz

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

anything involving mick collins vs. jsbx or rftc is a first round knockout, with mick having dispatched both of the aforementioned with one hand tied behind his back.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 20 February 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)

i think i'd have to split my vote between Mick Collins and Billy Childish, each bringing something unique to garage and not being mere copyists or pastiche masters like so many garage bands. (you can add Mssr. Evans and Don Howland to their group too).

JSBX, for me at least, are pretty one note -- the same going on ad infinitum. Spencer was at his best when he had Neil Haggerty as his foil in Pussy Galore. As for RFTC, though I've liked Reis's other bands like Pitchfork, Jehu, etc, RFTC has always left me flat.

― jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I rarely think of garage rock with these bands (of which I've only heard RFTC & JSBX) but I definitely like Rocket the most.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 20 February 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

a couple thoughts:

-i honestly think old jsbx is the business. spencer, judah bauer and simmins have great chemistry and russell simmins is a ridiculously good drummer.

-gories or dirtbombs are pretty much where it's at for me w/ "garage revival" and i definitely get behind the filthy appropriation and re-interepretation of seemingly dissimilar styles w/ in a single bands catalog

-anyone ever hear the hentchmen?

― jonathan quayle higgins, Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah higgins the Hentchmen are pretty great, altho I haven't heard them in years.

― hstencil, Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

seventeen years pass...

Gibson Bros live 1993 in Los Angeles (I was at this gig!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--LDRumKEA

Jeffrey Evans (gtr/vox)
Don Howland (gtr/vox)
Jon Spencer (gtr)
Rich Lillash (dr)
Jack Baker (guest vox from ~31m30s on)

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:27 (five years ago)

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