Explain the appeal of Luomo

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Okay, I have VOCALCITY and I keep going back to it every once in a while, trying to find out what it is about Luomo that gets so many people hard (or wet, as the case may be). I want to like it, I really do, but I just don't see anything special about it. I think it's okay, even pretty good at points, but that's it. If I'm in the mood for microhouse or "experimental" house or what have you, Theo Parrish, Moodymann (yes, them again!), Soul Center, or anything on Kompakt will do the trick.

Explain to me what you like best about Luomo, what I might be missing. Go on, do it!

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Friday, 21 February 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'll take everything from you."

― Brock K. (Brock K.), Friday, 21 February 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

it predates kompakt's breakthrough (total 3, etc.) and was therefore many people's first exposure to the whole micro-gitch-click thing (moodymann and mr parrish being a bit more underground than even the germans)...it was possibly the first major merger of chain reaction laundromat-dub and vocal house...and it's frequently breathtaking in parts

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 February 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The composition is much more sophisticated than a lot of other microhouse -- the (God I hate this word) sound design is impeccable, multilayered, and extremely tactile.

― Clarke B., Friday, 21 February 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

also it sounds hella good in a car with a good system at around 1 am on a sat night

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 February 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed jess, that's the best answer so far. it also sounds great in the mix - especially synkro. hello endless blend.

― j0sh, Friday, 21 February 2003 05:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it makes me horny.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 21 February 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It makes Nonstop Jen dance.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed, spencer.

to listen to luomo, i'd first find the best sound system in your area. Then watch how Vladislav Delay [yeah, RIGHT] sections the vocals off, editing them slowly into existence. It comes str8 from kingston, and works the suspense factor out like a crink in your neck.

There are some music producers, some mentioned in this thread, that concern themselves with the sound, and nothing more. How it sounds. Hence the endless pseudonymetry [hey, you know]. Ultimately, the best motivation.

I'm pretty convinced Kompakt is like three dudes splitting the rent, and playing poker for the payments on the stereo.

― david day (winslow), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

where to begin....

Unlike most of the Kompakt stuff, Luomo is minimal without actually being anywhere near as repetitive. Listen to it, and an extra snare hits here, more hats shuffling there, extra delay here and there... 'sound design' is a wanky word, but it's true. I've actually wondered whether he's used semi-random sequencing in some of the software he's using...

It just sounds awesome. That wonderful sheen he manages to get out... the incredibly strangled little stabs...

― dsp wanker (dsp wanker), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

also the lyrics...they're wrong. They're contrary.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the vocal science (not the 2step kind) is astounding. on Vocalcity he takes what sound like normal-enough house a cappella soundbites and flits and filters them through the mix so they impact the way you hear them on a club system; it's the closest I've ever heard a record come to the effect of hearing that kind of live DJ set. and the words, as gaz points out, are contrary: they double back on themselves, there's an uncertainty at the heart of them and the music both that seems to question the physical pleasure that the music'n'textures provide. that sense of doubt is subtle but all-pervasive--it's a lot of why I keep comparing it to Metal Box and There's a Riot Goin' On and Maxinquaye.

the show I saw w/Nonstop Jen, JBR and Geeta only had one Vocalcity track ("Synkro") in the list, and while calling the new stuff a "pop breakthrough" is a bit farfetched, there was a real feel of impending outburst in that room. the new material is fucking incredible--"The Present Lover" and "Melt" from recent Force Inc./Mille Plateaux comps were played, and give a good indication of where he's headed. he's become so good at the technique Vocalcity uses (the filtered/stuttered/fucked-with vocals) and the beats/grooves/tracks are shinier and more gleaming-gold-metallic, but they're also really fucking warm and minimal and lived-in; I got the feeling that he worked every second of this music to get it exactly where he wanted it, whereas Vocalcity is a masterpiece of serendipity, a feeling-around-in-the-dark exercise that got him a lot farther than just turning on the light and locating his destination would have done.

the new album is in October; if it's anywhere as good as that set it's my album of the year.

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

God I really should get some of this stuff, this is all very convincing.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 21 February 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Synkro" is what hooked me. That track is 14 minutes long but it's always on the move & in the process of building or tearing down (not just addition or subtraction but sculpting. And there is something so moist about it, it sounds like a club night held in an underground cavern w/ water dripping down the walls. -- so mysterious & sexy.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 21 February 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I just can't shake the feeling that a lot of people think "wow, it's an IDM guy making deep house! How cool!" That and I think it's almost too slick -- see the word "sheen" in DSP Wanker's post above, or "shinier" in Matos'.

Well, several of you have convinced me not to give up on it. I'll keep going back to it periodically (there's a lot of stuff that takes time to grow on me). And I'll give the new album a listen when that comes out, too.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Friday, 21 February 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It is very slick, no question about that.

― Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 22 February 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

(I have no idea why "slick" would be offputting when you're talking about electronic dance music, which is inherently slick.)

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 22 February 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a hypocrite like everyone else. I could probably name you other producers or artists that are slick that I like. But I also love the lo-fi feel to some of the work of Theo Parrish or Moodymann or I-Sound or DJ Scud or... (you get the idea). It's just off-putting for me on VOCALCITY.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I think "Synkro" is rightly being touted as the key track from Vocalcity, because it best exposes Luomo's most winning attribute, which is to focus on all the little things in order to make everything not smaller but bigger. The bass thump is perfectly tweaked to be as woozy as possible, a huge disorienting whoosh that is just incredibly, densely liquid (Mark is right about the moistness - I always think of the womb-setting of the "Teardrop" video when I listen to this song), while the glittering fragments of words and phrases swirls out of nothing to oh-so-gradually, syllable-by-syllable, arrive at an evocation of desire. There's a sense of groping and grappling towards something, towards expressing an inarticulate feeling that arrives on the dancefloor. This is perhaps why all of the lyrics Luomo uses sound so contradictory, fragmented and quasi-meaningful - they're representative of urgent impulses that aren't really supposed to be expressed in words, but in dance moves, looks, unconscious communication. "Synkro" and "The Present Lover" above all his other work has the capacity to make me teary-eyed in response to the incredibly compressed enormity of their emotional content, which is perhaps why they're my favourite tracks of his.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

and the way they're filtered, repeated, tweaked, played with all add to this effect. they're riffs, or ideas for Delay to riff on, moods to be manipulated. "Because you move/I've got to keep on moving with you" can sound ecstatic, can sound mournful, can sound defensive, can sound suspicious, can sound playful, and in the song it sounds like all those things at various times.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, this is great stuff from Matos and Finney. You guys should be writers. anyway, yeah I've got two records under the Delay name (which I quite enjoy), but I never picked up the Luomo because I read a couple of reviews early on that called it "boring." That's what I get for trusting a review. I will definitely seek this one out...

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

these guys *are* writers. luomo is very ace.
(i am not a writer.)

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I know they are. It was supposed to be a funny.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually think "Class" is a far better track on Vocalcity because it's much more oppressive, and the slippage feels like a gradual opening, the human element pressing through cracks and contradictions, like Pulp's weeds or such. This is somewhat where Tim's coming from, but more that it feels like a reassertion of the body against totalizing beats, like the breakdown of a house track sublimated into every aspect of the song.

Vocalcity has a narrative from start to finish, but I've never managed to fully put it together. And I suspect the narrative is a great deal like Kelis' Wanderland, but at such an abstract level that I can't really articulate what I mean without sounding absurd.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, mr d., i feel a fool right now.

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

No Michael, no need to apologize. I'm obviously not very funny!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"Because you move/I've got to keep on moving with you"

The remarkable thing about this track is how he begins with four minutes of edits on the breaths in that line before finally laying it down halfway into the song. The last half of the song parses the phrase may into more "traditional" dub elemenets (though still deeper than the Eternal Recurrance).

It's the first half, though wherein the actual inhales and exhales are dubbed-up and spaced out. Is sounds subtle, but it's not. Then one by one the words filter in. I'm going to assume someone has worked with breaths in disco/dub before, but this was my first exposure to it and smacko.

I foundly remember driving out of the Rockies, just outside Denver, listening to that track, volume up, and hoping it would never end.

― david day (winslow), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

don't think that went unnoticed here, David.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling "Class" is so definitely up there, though I've gotta make a bit shout-out to my homegirl "She-Center" too.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"She-Center" is my current fave, too. Don't ignore "The Right Wing" though -- possibly the best groove on the record (not as slinky as "She-Center" though -- those synth *zzzzips* are jus' naaasty!

― Clarke B., Thursday, 27 February 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

tessio anyone?
its pure bliss.
but then again, the whole damn album is.

― todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 28 February 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

I just bought a 12" with Diskonize Me and Body Speaking On It, purportedly from the forthcoming album "A Present Lover".... which the Force-Tracks online shop doesn't list.

So how did you guys get hold of other tracks offa the new album?

I'll articulate/review the 12" later. Know this: He was great at Sonar 2002, and played all non-VocalCity stuff. A definite highlight.

And as for VocalCity: Tessio remains my fave, being the my introduction to him. I hadn't heard House beautiful as this since Blaze's "Basic Blaze" album. For a guy that spends too much time in a suit, this stuff is life-affirming.

― Nik (Nik), Friday, 14 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

there's tracks on the Digital Disco and Clicks & Cuts 3 compilations. also, I saw him a couple months ago (as did Geeta, Jody Beth, and Jen nstop) and he played pretty much the entire new disc, according to the Force Inc. rep who was there. it KILLED.

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 March 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

explain his appeal? the guy is incredibly hot.

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The remix of Special Cases by Massive Attack courtesy of Luomo is fantastic...it's very Vocalcity-esque which I found a bit surprising considering what Diskonize Me sounds like. Maybe it's just older than its release date? It's got about 612 more ideas going on in it than your average remix.

M Matos, are you referring to the Luomo show in Chicago? I thought it was amazing, too.

― disco stu (disco stu), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago)

I am listening to Luomo in the office and can barely contain my enthusiasm!!!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:11 (twenty years ago)

i put on The Present Lover for you adam, because, you're my present lover

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago)

oh i put on "vocalcity" - i'm your new lover!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago)

bitch, you best not be messin' with my man

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago)

what do y'all think of the 12" with raz that mr. luomo just released. the two songs use michael jackson similar to brian de palma's homage/ripping off of hitchcock. i feel like its an uneasy satisfaction.

― youngn, Thursday, 18 November 2004 02:38 (twenty years ago)

i;m not keen on it either - the production seems weak for Vlad.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago)

Any gripes about production I might have disappear when the chorus(es) kick in. The next Luomo album will be the best music ever and music will close for good in recognition of its genius!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Wow Adam you're even making my Luomo luv appear restrained...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago)

-- jess (dubplatestyl...), February 21st, 2003.

everyone: perhaps following from jess's post, please recommend some music (specific tunes/records) that will help me put luomo into some kind of context.

it's not that i can't appreciate him -- quite the contrary -- but that i appreciate him as, above all, strange.... perhaps he will remain so even after much of the surrounding context is colored in, perhaps not.

but in any event please recommend some things to me. then i will start bothering people to copy them for me. :-)

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago)

Amateurist, some microhouse-ish albums that might put Luomo in context:

Herbert - Around the House; Bodily Functions
V/A - Superlongevity 2
Farben - Textstar
Markus Nikolai - Back
Richard Davis - Safety
Isolee - Rest
V/A: Andrew Weatherall - Hypercity
V/A: Dan Bell - The Button Down Mind of Dan Bell

Some pre-microhouse-ish stuff that might help with the historical context:

Pole - Pole 1
Oval - Diskont '94
Porter Ricks - Biokinetics
V/A - ...Compiled (Chain Reaction comp)
Monolake - Hong Kong
anything by Vladislav Delay obviously

I'll add anything else if I can think of it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago)

tim finney, you are a shining star.

can you explain the origin and meaning of the term "microhouse" maybe?

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:51 (twenty years ago)

i think i have that oval album somewhere incidentally...

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:52 (twenty years ago)

"can you explain the origin and meaning of the term "microhouse" maybe?"

Is this a joke/trap?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:54 (twenty years ago)

no, i'm rather guileless when it comes to this stuff.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:57 (twenty years ago)

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FUCK ALL THE TRACKS HAVE THE FUCKING BABY GODDAMN YOU PROMO VERSION

so has a clean one surfaced yet? whoever came up with this idea must be either a sadist or a genius or both, i honestly cannot listen to it.

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago)

Clean promos have been sent. No Bridget Fonda artwork sadly.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

the clean one leaked via pitchfork at the same time as joanna newsom. only in crappy 128kbps, but much easier on the ears than the baby version.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago)

I was not being clear, perhaps, lfam. Which tracks off of the new one?

― trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

the really don't mind single

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

feeling lucky?

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=luomo+%22paper+tigers%22+leak&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

This is really good. 128kbps is passable for getting an impression of the album, although obv. dud for the long term.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

"Really Don't Mind" is probably one of the singles of the year for me, even if some the lyrics are a bit ESL ("you give me the frown when you're not around.")

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

on my first, scattered, skittering, overeager listen i don't really like this

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

the only song that has grabbed me (for being good) is good to be with

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

I have only heard the radio edit that was posted on PFork but can't really see how this wouldn't be even better streteched out to 7-8 minutes.

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

that song is good too but i prefer the edit

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

brevity is the soul of wit

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

i agree, the edit is much more immmediate, maybe even better. the full-length version seems to drag on out of focus for too long.

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't heard either and I've already decided I like the longer version more.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

finding this a bit flat so far. i prefer "Tulenkantaja".

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Actually Deej the edit is better!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

fuck paper tigers sounds good right now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

i do not like this.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

count me as a longer version better guy.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

the radio edit seems abrupt

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

"The tease is over" = ♥♥♥

― stop moving. (cis), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

Upon my first listen (to the real thing without the baby), I sort of think that a lot of the tracks could use a little clipping, too. Also, the club edit of 'Really Don't Mind' is pretty fucking awesome, I think.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

Actually Deej the edit is better!

: (

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

Is it the first Luomo track to have such a straight-forward vocal part (ie. minimal cut-ups, very song-like)?

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

Which, "The Tease is Over"? Probably.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

xp 'Really don't mind'

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

The synth line that opens 'Let You Know' (except for the last note) is exactly the same progression that opens Moroder's Scarface theme. Albeit, the sounds of the synths are completely different. Just noticed that the second time I was listening to the track.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

And also, scratch that comment about the club mix. I like the edit and the album version much better. There are moments in the club mix, though.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

album mix is what i'm talking about.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

album is mixed up

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

isn't there a thread for the new album? i'm scared to search and google shows naught

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

you're looking at it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

:'(
http://img33.echo.cx/img33/1998/untitled30qs.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

21 Luomo threads!

but not a dedicated Paper Tigers thread.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

there are quite alot of "Luomo is shit" threads, for some reason.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

lfam, it breaks my heart, but i feel the same. xxpost

― Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

I find this all very hard to believe.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

i feel like i'm in bizarro 2006 luomo thread

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3488/imtoosadtotellyouwl5.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

well, the tease is certainly over.

― Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THE CRYING BABY IN ALL THE PROMOS/SOUNDCLIPS--

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

didn't want us to realize prematurely that it doesn't touch his other work.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

thanks for the clarification, trees ;)

i can't even bring myself to give this another go.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

Admittedly, I will be listening to "Really Don't Mind" and "Good to Be With" a bit. But that's...uh...yeah, the rest of this is not very good.

― trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 7 September 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

argh, tessio is still wonderful after all these years..

― Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr, Monday, 20 October 2008 01:48 (sixteen years ago)

"baby it's alright, we'll make it better..." to the end is the most perfect music in the world imo

― aaron d.g., Monday, 20 October 2008 03:01 (sixteen years ago)

i forgot how much people liked the shorter edit of "really don't mind". i never heard it, how different is it?

― aaron d.g., Monday, 20 October 2008 03:05 (sixteen years ago)

i can't remember

― elan, Monday, 20 October 2008 05:25 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

just wondering if anyone who was disappointed by paper tigers has heard his live performance from vienna a few years ago? i think it might be my favourite luomo related thing of all,has a lot of paper tigers stuff on it but don't let that put you off,the songs really come into their own the way they're done live and i think it more than makes up for the dodgier stuff on the album.

you can download it at http://rs55.rapidshare.com/files/76514498/Luomo_-_Live___Icke_Micke_Club_Camera__Vienna_-_2007-02-23.mp3

(not sure what the rules are about rapidshare links but its just a liveset so i presume thats ok?)

― robin l, Friday, 30 January 2009 14:31 (sixteen years ago)

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