firstly - is it wrong to appropriate sounds from another artist when you operate in a completely different way? can't think of a convincing reason why not - the NME possibly operating under a feeling that the 'head are prostituting aphex twin's sounds by bringing them on a big rock tour. this listener enjoyed both the warp acts AND radiohead.
also - to what extent is aphex/autechre's operation "outside the music industry" a pretence. they certainly like to emphasise the different ways of working.
radiohead - go into studio for marathon session where they aim towards creation of An Album which they will then tour.
aphex - music making an organic part of working day, releasing it in an album format is incidental to the whole process (or so he/some would have us believe - do you buy it? is he aiming towards An Album or A Release in the same way Radiohead are, only creating it with a more relaxed work ethic?)
the loudest death knell for the NME was sounded when they said in the kid a article "making experimental music is the easy way out". possibly they were only guilty of poor phrasing here. maybe what they meant to say was "radiohead excel at more orthodox songwriting, and IN THIS CASE, making experimental music may have just been the easy way out". I wouldn't have agreed, but i could understand where they were coming from. the way they phrased it, it sounded like they were saying any experimentation was a waste of time (to be fair, when blur released the overdone 13 album, my reacton was "write some more classic pop songs, albarn, it's what you do best")
also, how much of kid a actually does sound like a Warp record? Certainly not Optimistic, In Limbo and a good few others. Although this is debatable. and perhaps we have discussed this enough elsewhere.
Opinions on any of the points raised?:
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)
Aphex Twin, I only know a few things, like the one w/ "Milkman" on it, but it strikes me as some fairly interesting sped-up drumbeats with synthesizer farts and so forth on top, not all that great...and yeah, I frankly do think it's easy to make that kind of music, I've been listening to Autechre and it's nice but isn't it a bit banal at this point? For me, what Squarepusher does is a lot more fun to listen to. Again, maybe this is a difference between the whole crazed insular obsessive English scene, but over here we don't give a shit about the ideology of something or whether or not it's "experimental." Does it sound good, is it funny? Well, they do in New York.
― frank p. jones (frank p. jones), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)
are you mad?!!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)
sounds like Squarepusher as much as Aphex
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Replace 'Kid A' with 'Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.' Discuss.
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin (robin), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin (robin), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)
the national anthem sounds a bit like blood money, although it's possibly a case of the two bands sharing similar influences.
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 24 February 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― tom (different one), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)
Well, you're going out on a tiny, trembling limb when you speak for the whole US. I think your whole post is a bit of projection. Some people -- many people, including myself -- listen to a lot of this music, and understand the ways in which it's hard to make well, and "but over here we don't give a shit about the ideology of something" is a bald insult to American music listeners, including myself.
But many of us who care do indeed avoid NME. But that's because they suck.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)
Haven't Sigur Ros been around since about 98 though? Agaetis Byrjun (sic) is their second album, is it not? Just the first to be released outside Iceland. Nickalicious will back me up on this - I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he owns it. Any qualms about the string section being better are purely subjective anyway Melissa. As for Blood Money/The National Anthem, they do sound incredibly alike, but I think as kilian says, it's coincidence more than anythign else, much like The Matrix/Dark City arriving at similar times when both had probably been in production (conception through execution to release) for about three years independant of each other. With R/head P/S it's not gonna be a question of years, but rather months. But that still doesn't negate it being serendipitous rather than theivery.
Radiohead nicked all their songs off my brother anyway! I have irrefutable proof! And one day I will reveal it.
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― robin (robin), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)
Their first songs are as "Victory Rose", which is what Sigur Ros translates into in English.
― jodi shapiro (burun), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)
It seemed to me more that Radiohead was getting bored with the way they did things, and felt like trying new things. These new things just happened to bear similarities to things other artists built their sound on. "Appropriation" implies specific thievery, which doesn't seem quite at all what the Radiohead lads were doing, so much as applying their already-honed tastes to new implementations (the same guys with the same ideas playing with new toys, y'know?).
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― john the hopeless farmer, Monday, 15 May 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)
― john the hopeless farmer, Monday, 15 May 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)
― fandango (fandango), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)