What is the shape of punk to come?

we just play to have fun, and for me to go til i pass out on the drums

Exactly. Whatever punk is, it is certainly a reaction against something. Boring sounds. Lack of politics. Trends. Treading water. Whatever.

But this is one question that is definitely best left to the musicians and not the theorists.

a band that might interest you:
http://www.thebronxxx.com

the singer and the guitarist are in a band called THE DRIPS that you'd probably like even more than the aforementioned. no website. they play in and around L.A. sometimes.

in agreement with KH, such artists as Prefuse 73 (http://www.warprecords.com/ography/WARP83/) are more punk than anything on certain summer tours sponsored by target.

there is a band just up the road from you from coalinga called FAXED HEAD that i think epitomizes the future of punk rock.

their 2nd single is legendary:

http://www.faxedhead.com/discog/art/z_necro_ft.jpg

Recorded 5/1/93 at Coalinga High School Music Room, Coalinga, CA. Thanks to Mrs. Johnson and Mr. Evans.
Mixed by Neck Head 5/1/93 in the Taco Bell men's room, Coalinga, CA. No thanks to the people who kept banging on the door making it very hard to concentrate.

sounds a bit like Fat Day

Fat Day was formed in earnest in 1974 when THIS KID stole Matt's snare drum and
some toys
and shattered our carefree, dream-like childhood growing up together in Lynn,
Massachusetts
This is the only picture we have of all of FAT DAY together after our first
show ever in the spring of '74.
We looked so young back then (Note Arik already passed out)!
We really didn't play out much (except at weddings, family events, high school
stuff)
until punk hit in 1977 (also because we kinda sucked back then).

We were young and rebellious, with weird hair and a lot of ATTITUDE (with a
capital A).

Here is a picture of Matt and Arik at Zak's wedding in 1976 (that's Zak in the
background).
We played a killer set - the parents of the bride didn't know what to think of
"Zak's side of the family" - us!
Matt collapsed after our first show in 1979 at CBGB where we opened for The
Mumps.

Forming the modern incarnation of Fat Day was not easy. It has taken us since
those first tender years in 1974 to really get all the pieces to work. Sure,
we played shows with all the greats,
but we never really got "our sound" until the early to mid '90's.

For example, Doug's dad is a chemical engineer, and pretty handy with
electronics,
so he made us some electronic stuff in the early 80's when New Wave was so big
and which we still use today in the band (its getting pretty old and fragile).

When the Anything Family broke up in 1989 we grabbed this guy Zeke
from them and things really started to cook!

Here is a picture of our famous 1982 show with Deep Wound at the Rat in Boston.
The guy in the Red Suit is Jeremiah (no longer in the band). He broke a chair
over J. Mascus's (the guy from Dinosaur Jr.) back and we were banned from the
place for over fifteen years.
We played the Rat again around 1997.

With Zeke in the band we thought we were complete. The beats were nice and our
sound was real good.
We started to think about going to New York, or to L.A., somewhere where the
music was happening.

But in 1991 Disaster struck. Matt, our keyboardist, came down with a horrible
disease.

Here is a picture of our famous 1991 show at Gilman Street in Berkeley,
California.
A fight broke out and Jello Biafra was hurt (it wasn't during our set).

This has been done before and a lot more interestingly.

they're more likely to be the shape of punk as the industry might like to sell it.

the new punk should be a bunch of awkward nerds sitting and standing in silence while a transvestite cheerleader and goth girl interchange verses of "like a virgin" and "i touch myself" to the sounds of violins burning overamplified and reversed over and over.

yeah, i'd like to see that on the grammys.
m.

no i'm not. I'm not trying to promote my band or anything.
Im really happy with all these answers. I do love lightning bolt, its a shame i dont know enough talented bassists to be in a band of that caliber.

is anyone here a good musician in california's central valley?

Lightning Bolt = Sigfried and Roy
Hella = Ms. Cleo

Investigate and pontificate.

http://www.noize.org/Faux-Real%20-%2013.mp3
http://www.noize.org/Faux-Real%20-%20Zeppolith.mp3

Also, the Blood Brothers are pretty tedious -- can't see what the fuss is about them in some quarters. Jonathan and msp about sum it up.

"Blood Brothers are from yr neck of the woods. Two vocalists: one sings, the other screams. They go at it simultaneously. The music is post-hardcore craziness. Just a barage of noise. Their older stuff was nuts, but kinda careless (download "Siamese Gun," essentially a legal drama in two minutes. Narrates a crime, arrest and trial. Really wild). The new album, though, was produced by Ross Robinson (Korn/Bizkit/AtDi/etc) and is much deeper. More shit going on. Plus they actually write melodies now. It's really, really good. Download the title track ("Burn Piano Island, Burn") or the closer ("The Shame," which is like a U2 anthem hardcore style). Those are the best cuts."

I saw them live for the first time a couple of weeks ago and was bored. Very disappointed, as all the dynamics of Adultery, Electric Children and Burn, Piano Island Burn were nowhere to be found.

"Blood Brothers are from yr neck of the woods. Two vocalists: one sings, the other screams. They go at it simultaneously. The music is post-hardcore craziness. Just a barage of noise. Their older stuff was nuts, but kinda careless (download "Siamese Gun," essentially a legal drama in two minutes. Narrates a crime, arrest and trial. Really wild). The new album, though, was produced by Ross Robinson (Korn/Bizkit/AtDi/etc) and is much deeper. More shit going on. Plus they actually write melodies now. It's really, really good. Download the title track ("Burn Piano Island, Burn") or the closer ("The Shame," which is like a U2 anthem hardcore style). Those are the best cuts."

Also add to the "future of punk" list: My Name Is Rar Rar and Black Eyes.

hella kicks. i'd hestitate to use "<" and ">" next to lightning bolt tho. i think there's some different things going on. and yes, zach hill IS insanely talented. his drumming on crime in choir's album was amazing. not enough to get me to keep the record... but...

i'd watch san francisco... weasel walter is here. the ex-xbxrx brothers are here. rumor has it that matt st. germaine might relocate here. john dwyer seems to always be around. etc. etc. something LOUD and WEIRD has to come from that. there's enough talented weirdos to start a bowling league...

m.

No wonder she didn't move around much.

and brody wasnt even that hottt.

Since when do the Distillers stand for the current state of punk?

But anyway yeah, most punk (as in the musical genre, not the philosophy/aesthetics behind) nowadays is pretty damn boring. But there's still plenty of good underground music that is descended from punk in some way.

THATs NOt REAL MUSIC REAL MUSIC IS ONLEY MADE WITH GITARS!

They're crap. Always have been, always will be. I don't differentiate them from Blink 182, etc.

As with bimble, I'm not quite old enough to be an authority. But it seems to me that if punk had never existed before, and the Sex Pistols (or insert great punk band here) were forming today, this is what they'd be about. Anything less would be gutless.

I'm not really a punk and I'm sure there are isolated examples, but the fact that there's doesn't seem to be some kind of popularly noticeable musical countercultural movement forming, as there was in the 60s and again in the 70s, is a little disappointing.

But I should shut up and do something instead of whining about it.

don't you mean that scorces is the new minimalism like minimalism was the new indian classical?

roxymuzak- scorces are a duo who have released an OK LP of folk-ish drone on the eclipse label.

The mighty RHINO was the shape of punk in the distant past, he is the shape of punk today, and he will be the shape of punk to come, for his horn, though fearsome and impressive, is but a cone of matted HAIR!

Many a curious coiffure has topped the human head, but the hair of the rhino trumps them all, for his horn is a deadly WEAPON! Attempt to rob him of his salad, his safety, or his mate, and the rhino will gore you with very little effort or regret.

As you lie bleeding on the veldt, consider this: the rhino is wedded to his horn for life, while our hair is always in motion: a cloud of flies above a mound of rhino DUNG.

forgot the charalambides connection.