Her: "blah blah blah Elvis Costello blah blah"
Me: "blah blah Al Green blah blah blah"
...when this relatively young (looked about 30something) teacher comes up to me and says: "you like Al Green??"
Me: "Yes, Al's great!"
Him: "You shouldn't! You should like Eminem!"
Me (slightly freaked out): "I do! I like Eminem and Al Green!"
Him (noticing my friend's Rolling Stones CD): "and The Rolling Stones???
Her: "Yeah, they're my fave band."
Him: "but that stuff is music your parents liked!!
Her: *shrug*
I mean, on one hand the guy was obviously teasing us, but on the other he seemed genuinley upset- like we were betraying ourselves because we were listening to the music of another generation or something.
Funny thing is, I've gotten comments like this before, so it's not like he's a lone nuter or anything. So what exactly is wrong with liking old music, too? Isn't this whole "destroy the past" shtick kinda 1977? And what's the insistence on it being music "YOUR PARENTS listened to"? My parents are perfectly nice people, why am I not allowed to share their music taste?
Also, why are the people feeling dismayed over my old music geekdom always middle-aged themselves? All the people my age either 1) listen to loads of old shit themselves (which is the norm; we're not just talkin' music geeks here, either, the Nu Metal kids are always deep into Sabbath for instance) or 2) listen to only new music, but don't actually *mind* it if anyone else likes some 30 years old group or think that they're supposed to reprezent for their generation and destroy all the old stuff, either. I mean, ain't it kinda selfish to want to prevent Tha Kidz from enjoying stuff that you loved the first time around?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)
however revivals very often pick up on and explore aspects of the original which were overlooked
it's all good
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)
by the way originality doesn't nesecerily mean quality and that you should like it. Throbbing Gristle was the most poinless noise imaginable but then we woudn't have nin,big black and yadayada if it wasn't for them.
hilarious stuff! first-rate!
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)
and blablabla i have to stop posting ;)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)
I like Throbbing Gristle...
What was definition I read of rock and roll recently...a party music of the '50s and '60s, liberally lifted from the blues...? Sounds halfway right to me...
and I like Glenn Miller, whom my parents listened to along w/the usual boomer stuff, the Beatles, Peter, Paul and Mary, all that stuff...some of which I still like, some of which does strike me as New Frontier relics...just as some of the stuff I grew up with, new wave and punk, strikes me as Reagan-Thatcher-era relics...I love the Byrds and Big Star and Tom Petty and Radiohead, to me there seems to be a progression of sorts there, creative musicians tinker with what they know, if there's a tabula rasa I'd love for someone to tell me where it exists.
I for one wouldn't trust any kid who didn't rebel at least a little, and being dismissive of what your parents like is a good thing...when you're 15...but if you're still doing it when you're 25, you've not gotten much of an education...the history of every art movement is the history of successive revivals, tastemakers pointing out things that had been missed...so rexjr, if you are indeed a real person--as that old guy Jerry Lee Lewis still says, "think about it."
― Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)
I WANT TO ROCK AND ROLL!
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)
i'm a real person btw and never post under a different nick
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)
...I got her on Tori Amos...mmmmmm
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)
sorry for the multiple posting, im never able to finish a thout hehe
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)
my hand is tierd can pos n mo
― curious rex, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― curious rex, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)
we are all trying to guess who's who here!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― im not rex, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)
thank you
― rexy, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)
Helen Reddy, REO Speedwagon and Julio Iglesias, that's what's wrong with it.
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― im not doomie, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)
What a load of baloney!
― mick hall (mick hall), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)
of course, both can grow.
i think the age sterotypes have some basis in truth. i just see older folks being more inclined to stick to the circles they know than venture out. they've found their likes and dislikes and so new stuff is catagorized and approached and avoided based on characteristics. younger folks are still taking it all in. they're more likely to to bludgeon themselves.
my parents tend to like the stuff i listen to as long as it's not inherently violent or lyrically offensive. they liked stereolab. they liked autechre ("amber" if you're curious). my dad heard me listening to lightning bolt and played the "cool" dad and said that it sounded neat but did make some sort of "john deer" comment i can't quite remember to repeat.
the violence and language issues point to the ever-growing circle of shock. elvis was shocking with his hips. the beatles and stones with their drugs and sex. now it's the violence of hardcore. the horror aspects inherited from ozzy and alice cooper and propagated on. our parent's were scared of pretend violence while their parents were scared of damnation.
what will we be scared of?
m.
― msp, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― matt riedl (veal), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)
My mom likes Simon & Garfunkel, Frank Sinatra & classical music. I don't mind any of those.
My mom also likes Kenny Rogers. I do not like his music very much. Once my mom made me turn off a Gram Parsons CD when I tried to explain to her that I DO like country, just not "She Believes In Me."
I like lots and lots of music from when my parents were young (1940s through 1960s, basically) that my parents have not actually heard.
― mike a (mike a), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)
Same for me, except add "grandparents" and "1920s through 1940s."
― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)
What if you were too busy rebelling against your peers to bother with your parents? And what if your parents didn't really give you anything to, you know, rebel against? I can't really think of ANYTHING that i could've done that would've really pissed my parents off (well, I suppose robbing a bank or taking up heroin could've done the trick, but that's not "at least a little" really, is it?)
Highly dubious premise in original q. is 'seemed genuinely upset'
Yeah, I know, written down it pretty much seems like he was kidding, but it didn't feel that way somehow.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― rex jr., Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)
Of course people like to freak their parents out too but music has only sometimes been the vector for this - also it's often/usually the ways of liking the music, i.e. liking emo will not faze parents; makeoutclub.com might.
(And a lot of the parent/sibling-baiting is imaginary anyway. I didn't play NWA to my Mum and say "HA HA LISTEN UP MUM ITS NWA" but imagining her reaction if she but knew may have given a frisson)
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 February 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 27 February 2003 09:09 (twenty-two years ago)
I think I actually get most pleasure now out of freaking her out than I ever did out of freaking my parents out when I was a teenager.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 27 February 2003 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 27 February 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 27 February 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)