KISS:C or D?

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If Alice Cooper is a "mersh version of the Dolls" (d. zarakov) then Kiss is surely the mersh version of AC. A Bronx-Queens desecration of the Mercer Arts scene (Visigoths wiping their asses on illuminated 'scripts), the most dislikable individuals in music aside from the Lennon half-brothers, everything repellent about music, entertainment, AMERICA even. Still-
First three albums poppified Grand Funk Railroad quite nicely in their stumbling, murky way
"C'mon & Love Me" and "Parasite" on 'Alive!' brought white light/heat to the heartlands in a way 'Raw Power' never did
'Rock'n'Roll Over' and 'Love Gun' punkified Brit-invasion/bubblegum less self-consciously than Blondie
Ace Frehley was a spazz junkie genius right up there with Thunders and Glen Buxton
"Dirty Livin'" is a lost disco classic!

tarden, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To call oneself a Kiss fan these days requires a lot of concessions. It's hard to support the band in the wake of that Pepsi advertisment and the latest stunt (selling official Kiss Kaskets that double as Koolers), but as Tarden seems to sagely point out (between wildly esoteric allusions to bands that have nothing at all to do with Kiss), there are irrefutable moments of brilliance beneath the crass gimmickry and shameless megalomania.

For DRESSED TO KILL and DESTROYER alone, Classic, Classic and Thrice Classic; the former for its Detroit garage attack, the latter for its Ezrinicized gradiosity (augmented by some actually stellar tunes like "Shout it Out Loud" and the glorious "God of Thunder"). Even their original line-up's withering albums (UNMASKED, MUSIC FROM THE ELDER) had at least a track or two to their credit ("Is That You" and "I", respectively).

Perhaps I'm being too literal in interpretting your purple prose, Tarden, but Ace was always more Drunk than Junkie. Nice to see someone mention a track off of DYNASTY *OTHER* than "I Was Made for Lovin' You."

All I know is that even in light of the shallow, bloated, fatuous embarassment that they've since devolved into (no more embarassing than Aerosmith or the Stones, however), if you can't appreciate and respect *VINTAGE* Kiss, then you've probably undergone a severe humorectomy.

PS: The only thing the Velvet Underground and Blondie have in common with Kiss is civic citizenship.

alex in nyc, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well the only Kiss stuff I've heard first hand is the recent MTV-friendly schtick, but I remember being blown away in 84 (85?) by The Replacements' cover of Black Diamond ... so as far as I'm concerned, respect due to Kiss for writing just that one track (and to The Replacements for covering it in such an utterly fantastic way)

And BTW I predict that in 10 years time the word "remember" will actually be spelt (spelled?) remeber. So when that happens, just remeber you read it here first.

I.M.Belong, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic, no doubt. The double live-album is awesome (good reminder to finally get a copy btw). As a little kid they used to scare me shitless, so they worked on that level. Finally saw them live around '87 at Monsters of Rock, no masks of course. They RAAAWWWWKED! What impressed me most was the rock god poses they pulled so effortlessly. So cool.

Omar, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kiss. One of those bands that never really get a footing in the hearts and minds of British Young People. First time I came across them was as a leetle child leafing through the pages of a Marvel comic - the classified ads, I thought, was a good way to gleam what the American kids were 'into'. And there were Kiss, selling Kiss related merchandise, so I knew they must be Big! but I couldn't understand why - a band called Kiss?? And *look* at them! Good grief! I began to wonder about American youth. I mean, did they really fall for those X-Ray Specs, also on sale? Gee whiz!

David Merryweather, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the ace frehley tome 'kiss and sell' is brilliant especially the bit where ace nearly electrocutes himself by urinating on a television that was turned on. 'detroit rock city' always warms my heart when i get homesick.

keith, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ya know, Tarden, I had the same idea of starting a KISS: C or D thread myself this weekend. If for no other reason than, in terms of demographics and probability, I surmised that there had to be a few childhood KISS Army members amongst ILMers. (No, not me - - I was freaked out as a little kid in the late Seventies by my cousin's Diamond Dogs Bowie poster, so KISS was even more freaky). I might go so far as to say that KISS was America's version of Slade, esp. since Brits don't seem to get KISS the way Americans don't quite get Slade.

Besides, am I the only one who remembers KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park? The ultimate in cheesy films!

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

...except Slade's music still sounds good. Kiss sound like a pile of crap. (why do i got so many of their records then? ummm,bought 'em in the interests of research into the whys & wherefores of benzodiazapam use amongst ,umm, benzodiazapam users)

duane, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic for the 1970s Kiss Marvel comics mag, written by Steve (Howard the Duck) Gerber. At the time it was claimed that Kiss (or Gene Simmons, anyway) had dripped some of their blood into the printer's ink!

Andrew L, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For what it's worth, the first Marvel Kiss comic book claimed (with photos to "prove" it) that *ALL FOUR* members of the band donated a syringe-worth of blood to the ink. Take that and run with it, if you like. A silly stunt indeed, but perfectly in keeping with the band's over-the-top (for their time) aesthetic.

alex in nyc, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I am listening to the KISS Solo: Ace Freheley album, right now, actually. First got it as a Christmas present in 1978 when I was 6, and here I am, a grown man, listening to it still. Pure nostalgia for a time long since passed, but nonetheless I have to say--there's not a weak track on it. O.....zone.....

I rented Phantom of the Park a few years ago (does it get circulation on t.v. at all?), and laughed my ass off. "Star Child...you are looking for someone...and it is NOT KISS!!"

Joe, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

seven years pass...

Kiss, that's the name

J0hn D., Saturday, 23 August 2008 11:47 (seventeen years ago)

"put them in any crazy position" - see the Gene Simmons' sex tape

snoball, Saturday, 23 August 2008 12:21 (seventeen years ago)

Searching for KISS halloween costumes led me to this unexpected photo:

NSFW

kingkongvsgodzilla, Saturday, 23 August 2008 12:26 (seventeen years ago)

10 reasons for "classic":
http://babyivebeenthinking.blogspot.com/2008/08/friday-funtime-pop-argots-top-10-kiss.html

Joseph McCombs, Saturday, 23 August 2008 14:29 (seventeen years ago)

Searching for KISS halloween costumes led me to this unexpected photo:

...the naked women have all made up their faces to look like him. Whole academic careers have been launch from this sort of image.

J0hn D., Saturday, 23 August 2008 14:40 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/15/male.breast.cancer/index.html

RETARTED (HI DERE), Thursday, 15 October 2009 19:18 (sixteen years ago)

whoa

les rallizes gay nudes (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 15 October 2009 19:35 (sixteen years ago)

"A Female Disease" (Stanley-Criss)

Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 October 2009 20:29 (sixteen years ago)

Mini Kiss (the all little person Kiss cover band) are playing at a local titty bar in my town this week

well pull down my pants and call me swamp thing (latebloomer), Friday, 16 October 2009 02:49 (sixteen years ago)

I looked at the credits for the new album -- they haven't written so many songs without help since, what, their first couple?

Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 October 2009 02:57 (sixteen years ago)

I heard Kim Fowley say that he was very happy about their prompt payment of songwriting royalties and that "Gene Simmons takes care of business."

toast alien, remember barbecue!! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 October 2009 03:18 (sixteen years ago)

Oddly curious to hear the new one, but no way in hell am I setting foot in a Wal-Mart for it.

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 October 2009 13:26 (sixteen years ago)

Hit submit too early. Certainly won't feel guilty for dling it and not lining the pockets of Wal-Mart or Gene Simmons.

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 October 2009 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

What in the

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/wonder_woman_vs._kiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19xnSo9Ic-4

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 January 2012 19:01 (thirteen years ago)

Concurrent or predating SONGS FROM THE ELDER?

Matt M., Saturday, 14 January 2012 19:25 (thirteen years ago)

Predating by a year.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 January 2012 19:36 (thirteen years ago)

And speaking of that album -- or rather, a cover from it ten years later:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkwbwXwvD0k

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 January 2012 19:41 (thirteen years ago)

Longer version...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LWcmlIbNhs
The sign on the right looks like it says "METH" at the beginning, although a closer shot reveals that it says 'BETTE' for Bette Midler presumably. The section looks more like an idea Katy Perry rejected for being too crazy.

insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Saturday, 14 January 2012 20:51 (thirteen years ago)

Because nothing says "rock'n'roll fantasy" like dancers in gorilla costumes wearing capes.

insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Saturday, 14 January 2012 20:52 (thirteen years ago)

Even with the sexy costumes it's like some kind of scary waking nightmare.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 January 2012 09:59 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc4inZKSMMg

pplains, Friday, 27 December 2013 03:40 (twelve years ago)

nine months pass...

I'm not so sure that Love Gun isn't Kiss' best LP. I think it's got the best sound. It's kinda 60s groovy a bit all the way through the record (for Kiss). With all the backup vocals and Peter Criss's straight forward drive well recorded and dry by Eddie Kramer; I think it is kinda Beatles like on some numbers especially 'Got Love for Sale', 'Christine Sixteen' and the cover 'Then She Kissed Me'. The fun for Kiss was soon over as this was the last record that was really the original band, after this you start getting a lot of studio fill ins on the albums through the end of the original lineup.

earlnash, Monday, 6 October 2014 00:26 (eleven years ago)

eight years pass...

Allegedly it

https://deadline.com/2023/03/kiss-final-show-madison-square-garden-new-york-1235275596/

...but I doubt it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 18:33 (two years ago)

will it be as good as their first final tour (in the year 2000)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Farewell_Tour

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 18:38 (two years ago)

It's so hard to say goodbye.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 18:42 (two years ago)

"Anybody out there like the taste of.. EXTREMELY PROTRACTED SHOW BIZ FAREWELLS???!!!!"

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 19:53 (two years ago)

One of the very first albums I ever bought was "Kiss Alive." (Most of) that record still holds up, but for me, the music was always secondary to the spectacle.

I have never seen them live, I wish I had. I met Gene Simmons once, briefly. I found him surprisingly witty. He's very smart and savvy, if more than a little weird (does not shake hands, for example).

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 19:57 (two years ago)

Countdown to ‘official’ Kiss experience show opening in Vegas where they just hire ringers for the rest of the roles in the band?

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 20:11 (two years ago)

Cirque du Soleil Present...Deuce: The KISS Experience

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 20:15 (two years ago)

At least U2 did it first.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 20:21 (two years ago)

Cirque U2 Soleil

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 20:48 (two years ago)

U2 Presents...Deuce: The KISS Experience

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 20:55 (two years ago)

U2 featuring Bono

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 20:56 (two years ago)

I last saw them on their 3D tour. 3D! Imagine that! Nothing will ever come close to seeing Kiss, in 3D.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 March 2023 21:05 (two years ago)

met Gene Simmons once, briefly. I found him surprisingly witty. He's very smart and savvy,

I have a memory of a SPIN (?) interview around the time of the '96 reunion; the reporter claimed Simmons talked his ear off about German Expressionist film.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 22:05 (two years ago)

He once sent me a very terse fax (two- and three-word answers to a few questions) that was signed "Dictated, but not read."

unknown blues singer (morrisp), Wednesday, 1 March 2023 23:39 (two years ago)

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl5PGoy5X6g

Cow_Art, Monday, 4 December 2023 14:47 (two years ago)

Best part: "Keep going boys, we love ya!"

Cow_Art, Monday, 4 December 2023 14:56 (two years ago)

The hotel I stayed at in New York this weekend was filled with German KISS fans

Tapioca by Jean Sibelius (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 4 December 2023 15:22 (two years ago)

eight months pass...

Out of grim curiosity I played Asylum a little while ago. Garbage, just grisly stuff.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 August 2024 14:57 (one year ago)

I'm one of a handful of human beings with so little dignity that I'll defend Asylum to the end of my days.

It's a great glam metal record!

A. Begrand, Monday, 26 August 2024 15:32 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V2nSZjsZWU

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 August 2024 19:49 (one year ago)

more glam metal imo

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 August 2024 19:50 (one year ago)

eleven months pass...

Kennedy Centre-bound...Uh, okay. I'll always be proud to say I saw them in 1976 (with BOC and Artful Dodger), when I was 15. I just don't know though.

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 20:16 (four months ago)


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