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Say something true and important that you haven't seen anyone say before on ILM. Be brave. Be bold. Be controversial. Be original.

― Neudonym, Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

there is nothing new under the sun

― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

we are all made of stars.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

And yeah I know there's probably already been a thread like this.

And here's mine: The big fat Dr. Dre from New York is not only cooler than the not-so-fat one from L.A., but also a better DJ/producer, and you can hear the truth on Original Concept's only LP, Straight from the Basement of Kooley High.

― Neudonym, Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Rock

― Aaron A., Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The Residents may sound like they're trying to be quirky and esoteric but they're really just bad musicians.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

post-punk was not as fertile a time as everyone seems to make out.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Composition is the suxxors. Arangements pwn.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Sunday, 2 March 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Punk rock has the right to children

― Dorf, Sunday, 2 March 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll tell you about punk rock, punk rock is a term used by dilettantes, and heartless manipulators...

― Leee (Leee), Sunday, 2 March 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"I like Slayer."
--jel--

― Adam A. (Keiko), Sunday, 2 March 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I like to put things in my cat's butt.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 2 March 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Creativitiy is overrated.

― A Music Consumer, Sunday, 2 March 2003 07:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Beats are fun to read about.

― Aaron A., Sunday, 2 March 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Music must always be customized. People sould make whatever music they want to make regardless of popular taste or what hipsters want. It must be honest.

― Justin Price, Sunday, 2 March 2003 07:40 (twenty-two years ago)

everything I say is a lie.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 2 March 2003 07:48 (twenty-two years ago)

left handed trumpeters are creepy

― kevin brady (groeuvre), Sunday, 2 March 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The first and best UK punk band was actually the Hammersmith Gorillas.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 2 March 2003 09:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Technique is the best record ever.

― hstencil, Sunday, 2 March 2003 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Out Hud are your new gods

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 2 March 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate more music than I love.

― mei (mei), Sunday, 2 March 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Beware of singing drummers!

― Scott Seward, Sunday, 2 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Electronic music is following the exact same career course as jazz did. We are now in the fusion period. That means that irrelevance is just around the corner.

― Neudonym, Sunday, 2 March 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

music is alive
good music is awake
the best music is aware

― stevem (blueski), Sunday, 2 March 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

feel tha voib

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 2 March 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

godheadSilo are really a lot better than people give them credit for.

― Ian Johnson, Sunday, 2 March 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I can be wrong sometimes.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 March 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Flatted-fifth-scales make the most disturbing music.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Sunday, 2 March 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

In 2030 Giant Sand will be recognized as a major influence of present day music..Wico will be forgotten

― brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 2 March 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, in 2030 everyone will think Giant Sand was just a Calexico side project. (and thats a slam on Calexico -- not Giant Sand).

― jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 2 March 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

all music aspires to the condidtion of hip hop

― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Go-Betweens were pretty rubbish, weren't they?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

All live albums are crap

― kevin brady (groeuvre), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Hard trance has no redeeming features.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

It's more important to have fun than it is to be introspective.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Michael Jackson's Thriller hasn't aged well at all.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

All live albums are crap

I said TRUTH, Kevin, not mostly-truth. War's live record is awesome.

Here's one: The best three bands in North America are all from Mexico.

― Neudonym, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

OK
All live albums except War's live album are crap

― kevin brady (groeuvre), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Monster Magnet never wrote a bad song

― kevin brady (groeuvre), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Out Hud are your new gods

Oh hell no.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Rapping skillz and melanin levels in the flesh of the humans utilizing them, surprisingly enough, have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Contrary to the mitherings of broadsheet journalists forced to write articles on chart pop, gay men, preteens, and pensioners do not listen to the same music.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

All live albums are crap

The Ramones' It's Alive and Motorhead's No Sleep `Till Hammersmith completely shit all over that statement.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Live at Leeds.
Rock & Roll Animal.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

And Live at the Apollo Vol. 2 as well. But enuf.

― Neudonym, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Ramones' It's Alive and Motorhead's No Sleep `Till Hammersmith completely shit all over that statement.

As does Fields of the Nephilim's Earth Inferno. I WILL NOT BE MOVED.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

All live albums are crap

Marley's Babylon By Bus is the antithesis of crap (pee?)

On a related note, Joe Higgs is the best talent developer the world has yet seen.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The antithesis of crap is a gourmet meal, innit?

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Santana's best albums are live albums; live from the center of a crater in Hawaii with Buddy Miles, live from Japan, they're all bad-ass.

A lot of Miles Davis' best post-Bitches Brew 70s albums were recorded live: Live: Evil, Agharta and Pangaea, the Philmore series.

The Roots Come Alive and Fishbone's Live at the Temple Bar & More are some more recent examples of live-albums-what-don't-suck.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The antithesis of crap is a gourmet meal, innit?

A gourmet meal still produces crap, though.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 15 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

"You know what? You're right -- I was wrong for assuming i had a clue"

― christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

85 or 90 percent of everything is crap.

That does not necessary mean that the remaining 10-15 percent is any good; it could also be crap.

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Beat > bass > voice > guitar > wind instruments > keyboards > anything else.

― Neudonym, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

(" also, how can something be mostly pointless? there's either a point or there isn't " - well,a comma can sometimes be (mis)taken for half a point)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

If I respond negatively to Neudonym's post then I will be beaten to a pulp by most of ILM.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, screw everyone else, CS: fire away! I'm a big boy, I can take it.

I think.

― Neudonym, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Silver Apples R GODLIKE!!
The Fathers of electronic Pop! if it wasn't for dem you can forget about Kraftwerk.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

a wolf-dog taught man how to play the blues.
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

a bluesman taught wolf-dogs how to play man

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Music publishing explains 80% of why the music industry is the way it is.

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 08:24 (twenty-two years ago)

They're going to start selling bbq-goat sandwiches with Othar Turner's picture on the wrapper at the Memphis International Airport.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Rebellion for rebellion's own sake is just pathetic. After the hippie generation, the values that needed to be rebelled against got what they deserved, so after the hippies rebellion in 1968, there is no more need for rebellion.

(Yes, punk was pathetic)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(i guess you were never a teenager)

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I was. And my parents were part of that hippie generation. Never saw any reason to rebel against their values.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Siamese Dream eats Loveless alive.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The Go-Betweens were pretty rubbish, weren't they?

this is the most offensive thing i've heard in months.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that Go Betweens crack pissed me off a bit too.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

the best band in the world right now is casiotone for the painfully alone.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

who is this casiotone? never heard it/him/them.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Siamese Dream eats Loveless alive.

You know, there are many days when I would agree with you. But then I would note that Billy Corgan himself admits he's ripping that off, so in your place, you. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

sure, he's ripping it off. But genius steals, and Siamese Dream is genius. I'm probably the only guy in the world who owns all the No Neck, Faust and Arthur Doyle records and counts Siamese Dream very high on my all time top 5. I've read extensively about it. If I ever make a record a tenth as good as that, I will retire. Shoegazers and ecstasy gobblers genuflect at Loveless, but how many songs can you name off the top of your head? I like it VERY MUCH, of course, but dare I say it is a bit overrated? It's a ripple that made a wave.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

*bows* As someone who obsessively chases down things like Muslimgauze and Jandek releases and also ranked SD very high (but not as high as another) on a list, I sympathize with your situation greatly. ;-)

But when it comes to a record with the likes of "Blown a Wish," "Sometimes," "Only Shallow," "Touched," "To Here Knows When," "When You Sleep" -- and of course "Soon," a song that, as I've said on the boards before, literally caused time to stop and me to freeze gaping the first time I heard it in 1990 -- on it, there is no competition. There can be and there will be only one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)

well, we won't settle this tonight, but I will meet you halfway and allow that Isn't Anything slays Gish.

and right on about Bryn and "Spencer" - two faves of mine as well

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

how many songs can you name off the top of your head?

All of them from _Loveless_; and Soma, Mayonnaise, Today, Disarm, and Geek from _SD_ (which I've owned for 10 years).

Are there not 3-4 weak tracks on _SD_? I only remember "Disarm" cuz it was a hit.

― Aaron A., Thursday, 6 March 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there not 3-4 weak tracks on _SD_?

No. Thank you, drive through. ;-)

I will meet you halfway and allow that Isn't Anything slays Gish.

*bows* We are in agreement. Gish is half a great album then slows down.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaron: what 3-4 songs on Siamese Dream don't you like?? Not to be fanatical about it, but that record is perfect.

and the second side of Neil's On The Beach, while we're on the subject, is the only other "perfect" thing I can think of off the top of my head

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Aaron: what 3-4 songs on Siamese Dream don't you like?? Not to be fanatical about it, but that record is perfect.

well, the songs I remember are the songs I like. I will give it another listen.

and the second side of Neil's On The Beach, while we're on the subject, is the only other "perfect" thing I can think of off the top of my head

The 2nd half of Big Star's Radio City

― Aaron A., Thursday, 6 March 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

ALL of Big Star's Radio City is *close* - yes

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

RA: Siamese Dream eats Loveless alive.
NR: You know, there are many days when I would agree with you. But then I would note that Billy Corgan himself admits he's ripping that off, so in your place, you. ;-)
Bah! If he had said Gish eats Loveless alive, I might have to waffle back and forth. But Siamese Dream is not better than Loveless by any stretch of the imagination.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 March 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

ALL of Big Star's Radio City is *close* - yes

Ehhh I never was all that big a fan of "Mod Lang."

― Evan (Evan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Both Siamese Dream and Loveless fall with a sickening *SPLAT*, like shredded, runny, soiled condoms in the face of The Spirit of Eden.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

And It's My Life is a better record (not more 'revolutionary,' just better) than Spirit of Eden.

― Neudonym, Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

And It's My Life is a better record (not more 'revolutionary,' just better) than Spirit of Eden.

To quote Sir Scott of Ian, "NOT!"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Both Siamese Dream and Loveless fall with a sickening *SPLAT*, like shredded, runny, soiled condoms in the face of The Spirit of Eden.

YES!!!!!

― Evan (Evan), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought this thread was about Hereford United!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

''And my parents were part of that hippie generation. Never saw any reason to rebel against their values.''

jeez geir, you have respect other ppl's values?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

YES!!!!!

Well, no, because you meant to say Laughing Stock instead of...um...what was that album you were meaning to say, I can't recall, it's on the tip of my tongue. *flees*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

SPIRIT OF EDEN HAS *NOT* AGED WELL> Go back and listen.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I've listened to it plenty, Roger, don't worry. Or is this just your way of getting back at me for revealing the obvious truth that Michael Jackson's music has aged more like milk than like wine?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

So now Michael Jackson is cheese?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that I care to get into it with you over Michael Jackson, but Off The Wall, production and song wise, still sounds good. I'm not going to argue against Talk Talk either, I love that record as much as anybody - but it sounds DATED now. Like Portishead's records. UNlike Can, Faust and Neu!

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

but Off The Wall, production and song wise, still sounds good

I didn't say it sounds bad, just that it sounds dated. That I think it sounds bad is more a matter of opinion,....and one I'll happily defend, but that wasn't the point.

I'm not quite sure how you could charge Spirit of Eden with sounding dated, though, as both the production and the instrumentation employed therein are pretty timeless.....unlike the synthetic textures and sheen of MJ's more celebrated albums.

Portishead do sound dated, yes. I love the Dummy album still, but yes....it's definetely a product of its age.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Gary Numan is/was the poor man's Brian Eno.

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 7 March 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Brian Eno was the rich snobs Gary Numan.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Too-shay.

― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 8 March 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

But how does Fripp fit into this scenario?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

Unsaid truth:
The Wings album _Band On The Run_ contains some of the
best guitar playing ever recorded on a rock LP, courtesy of
Denny Laine and Paul McCartney - especially in "Drink
To Me."

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 23 March 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Siamese Dream does taper off a bit after "Mayonnaise" for me.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 24 March 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I fail to hear the similarities between Siamese Dream and Loveless.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 24 March 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

same here. but then I fail to hear any similarities between Isn't Anything and Lilys' In The Presence Of Nothing so what do I know?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 24 March 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

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