Bands that people would view differently were it not for one release.

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Thinking about Blur earlier today, it strikes me that a lot of the hate applied to them stems from The Great Escape, particularly Country House. If Blur hadn't released this album and gone straight from Parklife to "Blur", would people see them as a more acceptable band? Instead of bandwagon jumping Britpoppers, they could be revered as experimenters and pop chameleons...

What other bands have done this? Are regarded differently because of one release or one stage in their career that may not necessarily be representative of the rest of their output?

Ones I thought of:
Boo Radleys - Wake Up Boo!
Beach Boys - all three surfing albums.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 3 March 2003 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Shriekback lost a lot of credibility when they released _Go Bang!_

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 March 2003 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Slint perhaps?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

XTC, minus "Skylarking"
Radiohead, minus "Kid A"
Starship, minus "Knee Deep In The Hoopla"


donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

my bloody valentine owns... ! ! !

at times, i almost wish they hadn't released ned knows what.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Lou Reed, minus M.M.M.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Without "Knee Deep In The Hoopla" there would still have been "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now", remember....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now is my favourite Starship song.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

err... Slint minus Spiderland

Unwound minus Leaves Turn Inside You

The VSS minus Nervous Circuits

Jon Williams (ex machina), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

If not for PHANTASMAGORIA , the Damned wouldn't be mistaken for Goths so often. (Dave Vanian's sartorial shenanigans notwithstandng).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Joe Jackson - "Look Sharp!" If he hadn't released that one, he probably never would have been accepted by the punk/new wave/indie crowd.

..Run DMC? Raising Hell?

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 3 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

R.E.M.-"Out of Time" which begat "Automatic For The People" which begat nothing. "Monster" coul have come right after "Green".
Soul Asylum-"Grave Dancers Union" and everything after tainted them in many fans eyes.
Big Star-"Third/Sister Lovers" An excellant album that broadens their palette from "Power Pop" to something more sinister.
Neil Young, minus the eighties save "Ragged Glory". Need I say more?

Charles McCain, Monday, 3 March 2003 21:29 (twenty-three years ago)

save Trans too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

this may be seem morbid & mean, but this experiment is purely for 'what if' speculation ...
imagine how blur would be viewed if, let's say, damon & co. had all perished in a freak aviation disaster a la b. holly & the big bopper during the final leg of the 'parklife' tour. demo recordings of 'the great escape' would be found a few months later in a country house basement. and, of course, 13 & think tank would never be. how would we all view the band that was blur?

*wonders if one should dare to post/pose this question, and logs off for safety.

j.a.e., Monday, 3 March 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Ben Folds Five - "Brick"

Consequently, both not-very-indicative-of-their sound AND my least favorite of their songs.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 March 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

j. a. e. has an excellent point and that's kindof what I'm getting at. It's like John Lennon - he died just before he could have released the very worst stuff imaginable but was frozen in time with the horror of Milk & Honey only bought by obsessives and worshippers.
Had Blur never released the Great Escape or another album at all, it would be the Smile of the nineties. I'm quite serious.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now is my favourite Starship song.

Well, I know no other Starship songs than that one, "Sara" and "We Built This City", and I see no reason for ranking those.

Jefferson Airplane, on the other hand.. Now that was a great band...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c070/c07020127t4.jpg !!!!!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

You just mean the title, I trust. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 02:07 (twenty-three years ago)

The Stone Roses - 'Second Coming'.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Imagine how differently the Eagles would seem if they hadn't released Hotel California.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 04:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Autechre - Confield?

Nathan Webb (Nathan Webb), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 09:02 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beta Band without their first album...would be universally adored, no?

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 10:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Uuuuuuhhhhhh... the very premise of this thread is SO WRONG IT MAKES ME ANGRY.

For a start, Blur did not "jump on the bandwaggon of Britpop" - if anything, they INVENTED IT. Give credit where credit is due. Modern Life Is Rubbish really is the first Britpop album, recorded when Suede were still wearing tracksuits and Oasis were but a twinkle in Alan McGee's eye.

The Great Escape was really Blur popping the blister of the horrid nasty thing that Britpop had become, it was a horrible album in a lot of ways, but I think it was necessary for them to make it.

I wish Blur hadn't released Song 2. The rest of _Blur_ is a fine album, except for that song.

kate, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Great Escape was really Blur popping the blister of the horrid nasty thing that Britpop had become, it was a horrible album in a lot of ways, but I think it was necessary for them to make it."

100% true. Album's like a car wreck, disgusting and compelling. Hate + negativity oozed out of it and killed the god-awful Cool Britannia aspect of Britpop stone dead. I like the record more and more, actually, as my distance from its context increases.

sorry for off-topic rambling. Back to the Beta Band!

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Great Escape" is easily Blur's best album.
And the only one to contain any kind of influence from the brilliant band that was Madness.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:15 (twenty-three years ago)

RE: Mellon Collie

You just mean the title, I trust. ;-)

The title is indeed horrid. And the double disc thing was a mistake -- never make a double album unless you just have too many great songs to fit onto one disc. They didn't.

But more than all of that, it was the behaviour of Corgan that brought the band's image down. So it's not really the album. Naming something "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" is a bad misstep, but having a lead singer who goes around behaving like he really, really means to be Mellon Collie all the time is a far worse one.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I think if House of Pain hadn't released "Jump Around", they'd be a lot poorer.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Imagine how differently the Eagles would seem if they hadn't released Hotel California.

I don't think they would seem different at all. They released plenty of other horrid little piles of runny poo besides that one.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I always rather rated the Shamen until they did Ebeneezer Goode. Now they're just looked back on as a novelty band.

Kim Tortoise, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"Beach Boys - all three surfing albums."

OK, what about the Beach Boys without Pet Sounds? Bingo!

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

The title is indeed horrid. And the double disc thing was a mistake -- never make a double album unless you just have too many great songs to fit onto one disc. They didn't.

A double album rarely works out in the CD age anyway. I mean, there are 80 minutes available on a single CD, which is usually too much to fill even just one CD with good material.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Modern Life Is Rubbish really is the first Britpop album, recorded when Suede were still wearing tracksuits

Er, hyperbole, surely. ;-)

having a lead singer who goes around behaving like he really, really means to be Mellon Collie all the time is a far worse one

If we're to kill off bands due to the emotional attitudes of their members, 95% of them would be slaughtered in a cull.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-three years ago)

The answer, as always (at least in the US) is Dexy's Midnight Runners:

http://www.annafriel.net/pix/Dexys_Eileen.jpg

In America, Dexy's are a one-hit wonder.

felicity (felicity), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Devo is a one hit wonder too, and that makes me cry.

paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Great Escape" is easily Blur's best album.

Uhhh...wrong.

Devo is a one hit wonder too, and that makes me cry.

Only if you put any stock whatsoever in "hits." If anything, Devo's solitary hit ("Whipit," duh!) served only as a albatross `round their collective neck....damning them to 'novelty band' status. Had they only not "scored" a hit, their creative trajectory may not have plummeted the way it did.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Kate, I agree with you entirely. I too agree that Blur spawned Britpop with Modern Life... and killed it with Great Escape. My question was written through the eyes of a Blur hata and I used the "bandwaggoning" description because this is what a lot of people have (wrongly) dismissed them for.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)


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