subject: rock and roll question
Geoff, OK, is Iggy Pop or somebody like that who used the Olivier Richard III as a model for his performance? dad
Say something interesting about the Olivier/Rotten thing. If this thread is funny or interesting or likely to confuse him I'll mail it back to him. (If not I'll just tell him)
― g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lee G (Lee G), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:52 (twenty-three years ago)
Dad'll love it!
― g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 3 March 2003 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)
the idea was taken from a (much better) punk doc made by paul tickell (which used clips from the TV version of quatermass and the pit)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 3 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)
Lydon talks about this in his book, so I don't think the idea originated with either of them.
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 08:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)
The influence of people like Max Wall & Wilfred Bramble on Lydon's style is missed by those such as Greil Marcus who want to place them in the Situationist tradition. Hear also Peter Cook singing "Bedazzled" - could almost be JL
― bham, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 10:48 (twenty-three years ago)
"The influence of people like Max Wall & Wilfred Bramble on Lydon's style is missed by those such as Greil Marcus who want to place them in the Situationist tradition." The two kinds of stuff aren't at all incompatible: the Sits were often very funny; Max Wall and Wilfred Bramble were also pretty scary sometimes. This merely assumes the Sits are some Great Pompous Unreachable High Art Dealio, as opposed to a bunch of angry kids having fun throwing stuff around. The Marcus book is an assault on lame-ass theories of "influence" anyway (arguably a not a successful assault, since people who've read it end up using phrases like "those such as Greil Marcus who want to place them in the Situationist tradition" — ie pretty much missing the point): oddly enough Temple's error-filled and dishonest suck-up job assaults no lame-ass theories of "influence".
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)
Yes! Watching 'Bedazzled' over xmas I was struck again by how Lydonesque Cook is in that film - even down to those natty square hipster glasses - especially at the end when he is raging against God.
(GM must be aware of Wilf Brambles as punkah-precursor, presumably, cos he edited the Lester Bangs anthology where LB says that WB is the punkest thing about 'Hard Day's Nite'.)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)
(the piece ran into the sand a bit bcz i felt heartless giving JS any kind of a harsh going-over in the circs, even tho the ONLY genuinely punk-respectful acknowledgment wd be an argument, a fightback...)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:19 (twenty-three years ago)