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right, those who know my tastes, and those who don't, tell me why i should like emo? tell me, i dont know, 10 songs or something. it can be old style, it can be new, i have none, so i don't care

is it like a cross between dawsons creek and trumans water or something?

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Hell, I don't really know what emo is. But, um...

1. Pinback - June
2. Rainer Maria - Breakfast of Champions
3. Built to Spill - Car
4. Modest Mouse - Dramamine
5. ...

I'm out of ideas already. And all those songs fit into the whinier definition of emo. There's also Rites or Spring, who they say "invented" emo punk. and I hear some mathy stuff described as emo, too, like Drive Like Jehu. Even Fugazi has attracted the label.

So, yeah, like I said, I don't know what it means. But I'm almost positive there's a thread somewhere that tries to define it.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Roll over Beethoven is a great song

― kevin brady (groeuvre), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:00 (twenty-three years ago)

American Football - "Never Meant", thats about as emo as I get.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I would have put Pinback into sadcore or something, Kenan. Emo, I really don't know and somehow don't want to know. Isn't Dismemberment Plan emo? The closest music to emo I like(d) is probably Jesus Lizard.

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually is Weezer's Pinkerton emo? I never liked it, so there is a huge priobability it is I guess...

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Is 'Sunny Day Real Estate' Emo? I like a couple of their tunes. You may now heap abuse upon me...

― Davlo (Davlo), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it is. As much as anything else, anyway.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Just start with the Indian Summer discography, the Rites of Spring LP and Unwound - The Future of What.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I hate "emo," and even I like The Gloria Record.

― paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:16 (twenty-three years ago)

People seem to no know what they're talking about here.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:19 (twenty-three years ago)

are weezer emo?

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

no.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

(Gareth, give me a few hours and I can cover from Cap'n'Jazz to the present. Hopefully Jess wouldn't be too embarrassed to cover the early hardcore stuff.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

American Football has some Cap N Jazz members in it.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Capn Jazz = the only decent thing the Kinsellas ever did (and ever will do)

Unwound emo? Unwound is standard noise-rock/post-hardcore. If Unwound is emo then so is Sonic Youth!

Some tracks I would recommend:

1) Kerosene 454, "Negatives"
2) Regulator Watts, "Candy Bullet O"
3) Jawbox, "Chinese Fork Tie" or "Savory"
4) Braid, "A Dozen Roses"
5) No Knife, "Academy Flight Song"

I'm totally coming up blank now... I haven't listened to any of this stuff in years.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah all I know of (mid 90's - present) emo is Dave and Tim from Cap'n'Jazz (good band, most of their stuff collected on the 2CD Analphabetapolothology) split to form The Promise Ring and Joan of Arc respectively. I would think of TPR's first album 30 Degrees Everywhere as the defining article of the genre. After that they dropped all the emo pretense and just went pop. Joan of Arc is insufferably pretentious emo art wank, sometimes succeeding (actually I really do like A Portable Model of).

Braid seemed to be the most widely respected band in the genre. Kinda math-y. I thought they were horrible.

Rainer Maria's Past Worn Searching is my favorite emo album. Boy/Girl (thoroughly untrained) vox, fractured guitar, and very, well, emo... in a screaming-in-pain-and-confusion rather than twee way.

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh! Just thought of another key cut: Cursive's "The Martyr"

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, how can you leave out Mineral, who set the standard for wrenching, over the top bathos. They left the great guitarist behind when forming the Gloria Record (zzzz)

― Aaron A., Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

madness - our house (madness invented emo)
charlie rich - behind closed doors
vivaldi - the four seasons
NWA - gangsta, gangsta
britney spears - email my heart
otis redding - these arms of mine
chicago - 25 or 6 to 4
fun boy 3 - our lips our sealed
elvis presley - love me tender
weezer - buddy holly

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I forgot about Mineral... They had two great songs: one on a 7" called "July September" (? something like that...) and the third song on The Power of Failing, "Slower," was pretty in an overwrought kinda way.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Unwound is kinda emo! They played with all those bands....

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Kinsella = American Football, which is not around anymore but the albums were pretyy nice. OWEN as he goes by now, solo record = not very good.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha, Aaron, I was about to come back here and say that the definitive non-hardcore emo tracks -- smack-dab in the center of everything the word's been used to refer to thus far -- are Cap'n Jazz's "Little League" and the Promise Ring's "Red Paint." (Plus the latter establishes and defines the emo + Cherry Coke symbolism thing.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:55 (twenty-three years ago)

if emo = cherry coke

what is regular coke and vanilla coke

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

(Oh and Chris: the American Football full-length was fair-to-good for me, but one of the EP tracks -- "The One with the Tambourine," I think -- was just about the greatest thing I heard that summer. Especially if you like Red House Painters, which you do.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Indian Summer, "Angry Son"
Rites of Spring, "For Want Of"
The Promise Ring, "A Picture Postcard"
Heroin, "The Obvious"
Portraits of Past, "Bang Yr Head"
Evergreen, "The Water Song"
Ordination of Aaron, "Eli"
Moss Icon, "I'm Back Sleeping, Or Fucking, Or Something"
Policy of 3, "1%"
Braid, "Divers"

― Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

regular coke = dadrock, obv.

vanilla coke = neu punk

― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Hoover are also very key here, but Alex Dunham was already covered with my Regulator Watts mention earlier, who I actually dig more than Hoover anyway.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm! Yeah, I did forget about Hoover. If you're going to search tracks of theirs, grab "Private", "Distant" and "Cable." Another post-Hoover band, The Crownhate Ruin, are pretty good as well; a more aggressive/less atmospheric feel to them. Search "Stretched Too Thin."

Haven't heard Regulator Watts, though the band was named after a Hoover song.

― Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:12 (twenty-three years ago)

It was Dunham's next band. Very good. Even slower than Hoover, but just as noisy. Maybe the best Dunham band of all's name is escaping me right now. They released one, brief record which was recorded in a day. It was a supergroup of sorts. I wish I could remember the name. Dunham's current band, Abilene, blows, or at least their first record did. But, in short, Alex Dunham is the unheralded king of DC emo.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, yes, the one with the tambourine is fantastic. im listening to it now!

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Make Me Like Emo

You'll require a frontal lobotomy and an acute taste-ectomy first.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and to answer Gareth's actual question: "knowing your tastes," I would be disposed to guess that you wouldn't like emo at all, except that you like Adorable, and I feel like there's something vaguely emo about Adorable. Anyway: you hate indie, and as it happens emo is pretty indie. So I'm not sure about this.

Also I think there's something about emo that had a lot to do with American suburbs and the American midwest -- funnily enough, the only times I've ever massively deep-down head-over-heels enjoyed emo records were (a) while driving to Champaign-Urbaba, IL, (b) while driving through Kansas, and (c) in a garage in southern Colorado. So maybe you really should do that Route 66 drive, and listen to emo all through the first half.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

(Actually no, plan your own route: leave Chicago listening to old-school hardcore-ish emo, then work up through the midperiod as you cut west -- either Nebraska for that wheaty Caulfield-style emo or Kansas for sunny Get Up Kids type emo...)

(If you want to like new-school cutie-pie emo, the kind teenage girls like, the most ingratiating thing to come out of it is the Get Up Kids covering "Close to Me." And if you wanted to enjoy that stuff, you'd have to start with the first Weezer album for background, but then it'd all be ruined because e.g. the Anniversary is nowhere near as good as that record.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

It's funny how the change in what "emo" means seems to directly correlate with whatever the Bros. Kinsella are currently up to.

Anyway, whatever happened to Andy Greenwald's book? I want to see someone *musically* define emo, because I haven't seen anyone try to do it. It always resorts to social definitions, but, in the early-to-mid '90s, at least, there is a definite "emo sound."

(I take back what I said about not seeing anyone try to do it. I just remembered DeRo tried to write a definitive emo piece but totally missed the mark)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.fourfa.com/

is the closest thing to a rosetta stone for "emo" as i've seen. it really breaks down the waves over time and classifies them more according to what i'd say they actually are.

example... all this pretty sweet sweater emo that Spin is pushing is post-emo indie rock... it's kids that were punks that decided to go more poppy or melodic and couldn't bear the thought of not being connected to punk.

as far as record recommendations... if we're talking about emo according to his defs... moss icon, the hated, and current are some of my faves. there are others that are just as good but nearly impossible to find. 100 issued 10 years ago.

if you want spin emo... why not just get some good ass indie rock... superchunk or something. i mean, isn't promise ring just superchunk: the next generation?
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

man, even the promise ring is a step above the nu emo shite.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

fourfa...

It's also one big joke

― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the only joking parts on fourfa are the fashion and email sections....

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)

No I know people who actually live like that.

― brg30 (brg30), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't think i've ever read beyond the "styles" part... well, even if it's a joke, it's odd how it rings truer that most attempts i've seen to break it down. most drop things into 80's emo and 90's emo and that's just weird to see bands like palatka and mohinder in the same bin as mineral and braid.

― msp, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

this nu-emo band that i mentioned the other day which was pretty good (the jealous sound), reminded me of mid-period superchunk quite a bit in terms of song structure and songwriting.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I never really considered Palatka 'emo.' They always seemed to be really great political thrash, not lacking in emotional substance, but I don't know that they ever catered to that scene specifically (i.e. no hand screened 7" covers on paper bags and the like.)

Also, Yanc3y, I believe the other Alex Dunham band you're thinking of is Radio Flyer. I just got back from the record store and saw it there (tempted to pick the album up, but didn't.) and noticed that it was a band formed for one week and the songs were all recorded on one night live.

― Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

It is Radio Flyer! (thank you!!!) Buy it! It's hard to find and very, very good.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

IIRC, Radio Flyer is not OOP. Mailorder!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

i would hesitate to give them the "emo" label as well...

i knew them in school and saw them play many times. pretty over-the-top in terms of intensity. their shows were practically over before they started and a lot of that crowd were big thrash and death metal fans so i can definitely agree with you on the weirdness of the tag.

i think they got tagged "emo" because of their associations and their intensity. in retrospect, that tagging seems suspect. a lot of their politics were very personal. some of the songs were about people in the audience.

ultimately, i think if you look too closely at any of this it all falls apart.
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

MSP - Mike from Palatka lives here now. His new band, Halo Perfecto, is really quite good. If they ever release anything, be on the look out for it.

― Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

But are they emo?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

hot damn! thanks for the clue. i've always wondered what became of some of those guys.

― msp, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

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What band has the song, I'LL GIVE EMO SOMETHING TO CRY ABOUT?

not everything emo is pantywaisted:

Jets to Brazil: YOU'RE HAVING THE TIME OF MY LIFE

― jethro (jethro), Thursday, 6 March 2003 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Another vote for Rainer Maria, I love the entire LP A Better Version Of Me. Especially the title track.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:33 (twenty-three years ago)

doesn't have one (track is called "Hell and High Water") but I agree with the rest of what you said

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"do Tsunami count as emo?"

I dunno WHAT counts as emo. They've certainly been written out of the official emo history, but Hated viewed Jenny's old band Geek as contemporaries much more than we did Moss Icon (although to a certain extent an age/class thing might have been at work here), and JT was very much a Rites of Spring obsessive back in the day. I think Jenny's being female has counted for some of her unfair dismissal from emo histories, but I also think that her "I'm dead clever, me" lyrical wordplay and the complete lack of UMPH in Tsunami's rhythm section (who were boys, while Geek's co-ed bass/drums team kicked it down hard and pretty) took Tsunami a bit out of that continuum. Slack would have been the Jenny Toomey emo band, but tensions over my "I'm dead clever, me" bassplaying blew that one up (and since then, she hasn't worked with any aggressive rhythm sections).

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 10:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I always blamed the lack of low end to be a recording issue, but that throws things into a new light...

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...

you know what? i am sick and tired of poseurs like you trying to be a part of the emo scene. Its not just something you can make urself like. Its a life style...

― Renee Weathersby, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Gareth do you like emo yet?

I'm on chapter 5 of Teach Yourself Emo. It's tough going but I know the rewards will be worth it!

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

gareth do you like emo then? (fucking x-posts.)

i'm giving away a good chunk of my old records, so if you want them, let me know.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"you'll love it! It's a way of life!"

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I had a long talk with Michael Azzerad about emo at a BBQ a couple of weeks ago. He just wrote a Thursday piece for Rolling Stone, but he still wasn't exactly sure how to define emo (he used the term "screamo," which made me larf). I tried to point out some musical elements (bass line always carries the melody, guitars play counterpoint, often sloooooow, vocals spoken then screamed) that define the emo scene that I used to love (DC, early to mid 90s), but most people still treat it as a social movement rather than a musical one...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

thursday are so mid-90s central jersey it hurts. are they still around?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

thursday? thursday are on mtv, dude!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

WERE on MTV. Or are they still lingering?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

No, they're back. New record coming out, I believe.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Also - when the hell did the synths & "oooh oooh oooh" background vocals get invited to the party? Or is that just a hit-&-run epidemic focused around _Very Emergency_ & JEW? (& this Jealous Sound record I'm listening to) (& Burning Airlines) (& & & &)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

First emo record I can think of offhand with those affectations: Cursive's Domestica.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Sweet crap "Cross Out the Eyes" was a horrific thing to suffer through - the yawping, the Rodan worship, the poetics!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

if more synth'n'pop (not to be confused with synth pop) emo bands sounded like burning airlines, i'd be much happier. more xtc, less style council people!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i've never like burning airlines, but maybe i'm just a jawbox purist...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Or a putz (winky).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the Rodan worship

Heh. I'm reviewing Rusty for the AMG later today. I do not intend to use the word emo.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I implore you to use "bitch magnet" whenever the urge to cite "slint" arises.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't going to mention Slint either!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

please do as they don't sound more than superficially similar! (HSTENCIL TO THREAD GAWDDAMNIT)

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

make me like emo
(*begins emitting hypnorays*)
"You earlobes are getting heavy. You...will....like...emo.... You...will....like...emo....; I'm going to count backwards from ten, and when I reach 'one' you will awake, refreshed, and deeply desiring to go out and buy some Bright Eyes CDs. Ten... Nine... Eight... Seven... Six... Five... Four... Three... Two... One..."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

yea emo means emotional.....dashboard confessional is bout as emo as you can get emo ppl write about love and other teen prblems and shit
yeah well anyway im 14 and my punk/emo band is looking for a name so if any of you have a suggestion email its much appreciated later

chris

― chris montgomery, Monday, 1 December 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Jimmy Eat Brazil
Get Up Real Estate

(I can't imagine how depressed I must have been at one time to find Jets to Brazil's "Sea Anemone" "really deep, man." Where was my intervention?)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 1 December 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

EMO IS AS EMO DOES.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"Gurlz are evil. Gurlz will make you listen to bad emo."

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Gurlz Are Evil is a great emo bandname. Sums up everything about the genre.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ozma's "Battlescars" is an all right emo-ish song. But I know far too little about emo to be making suggestions.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 1 December 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

if it calls itself emo but doesn't hunch over, fall down and scream its lungs out, it's really just shitty pop-punk.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

sadcore > emo

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 1 December 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

i learned to love my first emo band this summer when i heard Plastic Mastery. his screams seem less annoying than others.

― keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:22 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't you a mates of state fan though keith? i would have said they have more emo qualities than plastic mastery

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The great thing about that American Football full-length is how it marries the high/whiny emo vocals and complex time signatures with just plain pretty, clean guitar-work. (I read an interview with Kinsella where he said his dream collaborator was Harriet Wheeler!) This is a perfect balance for me. I have trouble with stuff like Braid or Cursive, which sometimes seems too guttural and chugga-chugga; but then Owen, because Kinsella's stripped away the mathy aspects, comes off as pleasant but bland. (On the other hand, I'm super-excited that Owen's opening up for my own band next weekend.)

Also, search: "Proofs," by Mates of State, which is the only song I've heard by them but it's great like candy. They're lineup is a guy on keybs and a gal on drums but believe me, they're emo. (Listen to the wailing!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Ho ho, xpost. And I thought I was going to be the first to mention Mates of State.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

(Actually, I was wrong -- the gal plays keyboards and the guy drums.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and I guess the other band I like that could be considered emo is Modest Mouse. The Moon and Antarctica probably fits into that same kind of balance that American Football had -- as in, yeah, there's raw, heart-on-the-sleeve, sometimes shouty vocals, and crazy "angular" whammy-bar guitar, but also some gorgeous melodies. Actually, I think you'd like this, Chris V, if you haven't heard it. There's also a few great acoustic tracks on it, even.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

rainer maria are my fave emo band. but i like their later stuff best, so i am probably a heretic

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Rainer Maria once and have heard songs here and there, but I've never heard an actual album. I mostly liked what I heard.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 December 2003 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the latest one is a pretty slick indiepop affair, but i completely adore their songs.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to have 'look now, look again.' The first few songs were pretty good, esp. 'planetary' but then the album like fell off a hookless cliff of off-key singing.

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 1 December 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

ah. the vocals are now way out front and very much in tune.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I just downloaded "Artificial Light," from A Better Version of Me, which I remember liking.

Is Pretty Girls Make Graves emo?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 December 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Pretty Girls Make Graves aren't emo; but they look like emo kids.

Rainer Maria: First album = good, sleepy slow whiny sad music. Second Album = really good indiepop record. Third = kinda shoegazey; some good songs, but not as catchy as the second album.

Haven't heard their most recent.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 December 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the most recent RM is the first album since the Life Without Buildings album that i've loved every single song on

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

mates of state, ugh. there's that one song where they just repeat 'you got me coming round on the other side' over and over and it could make someone homicidal actually. i think plastic mastery are emo, or am i thrown off by the screamy vocals, there isn't that much whining in the lyrics.

― keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 1 December 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

hmm i'm confusing you with someone then but i can't work out who

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...

holla!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

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