Ok.... what's the big fuckin deal about Black Dice?

I'm almost completely neutral about their music - it's not really what I'm into.

plus... rare is the US band that does boredoms type stuff for hardcore kids.

and "beaches and canyons" to me sounds only similar in spirit to the boredoms stuff.

but what do i know, i'm still getting my hearing back,
m.

I like the fact the music can be both brutal and becalming. I like the fact the group's logic is quite contradictory and slippery, which is something to be admired at this late stage of the game. By me at least.

As for the older BD material, Cold Hands has its moments but the rest I've heard is fairly dull. I see what they're doing (noise assault... eh) but I don't really see a point to it all. Maybe if I'd seen it being done live?

they definitely moved further out... but so did a lot of the scene they played to...

interesting idea about life and death there mark. never really picked up on that... but watching a road weary bd play in nashville and seeing an audience member have a seizure, etc, etc surely does lend cred to the idea. beaches and canyons seems so positive though.

black dice doesn't seem like the type of band that really cares if folks get it or even like it. they've already notched the correct belt and will get their records put out and have a certain variety of folk come out to see them play and that's probably all they really care about.

well, that's what i can imagine at least... i mean, you can't hope for a guest slot on TRL with what they do.
m.

Mark, I feel I should quantify my orginal post. I do think the comparison makes sense, but ultimately I don't how successfully it enables you get a handle on the Dice. Your life/death analogy is perfect, I think that Black Dice represent letting go & the dissolution of the self, whilst Boredoms are all about the instant and the seizing of possibilities.

Sammy, I think that whole effect is entirely intentional. There is very little forward momentum, when drums do arrive they usually get stuck on the spot rather than propell the music forward. I would imagine this is their way of confounding any expectations people had carried over from their hardcore incarnation. I have an enormous capacity for this kind of contrariness but I can totally see why anyone else would see it as unneccessarily tricksy.

Or qualify it, even.

but i think beaches & canyons is rebirth. they destroyed themselves with stuff like the 31g 7" and the troubleman 10", felt chaos within and gave birth to a dancing star (thus spoke zarathustra)

this comment is OTM....really, boring, boring, boring stuff. I don't know why people are doing back flips for these guys...you go anywhere in williamsburg on any given night and you'll hear stuff that blows this shit out of the water.

I forsee B & C taking up a lot of space in the used racks in the near future.

~ddb

ps-i really liked the old stuff.

i agree the older stuff is better though, i've said it a few times but the 31g 7" really is a classic

True. And the most recent one may actually be better if it sounds better than its influence.

Semen of the Sun 7" = awesome

Again, Semen of the Sun = choice. The Vermin Scum 7" was too muddy to be a good listen. The Erase Errata split kinda blows :/

the tigerbeat6 3" seems like a bit of a throwback to cold hands i think, esp 'head like a door'

I don't see it as being worth getting for more than a couple bucks. I see it here all the time.

The Tigerbeat6 3" has the same songs as the new 12" on Catsup Plate, and they seem to have been recorded at the same time as the 31G 7". So that stuff's actually post-Cold Hands and pre-B&C....

ddb, what Brooklyn bands do you think are blowing Black Dice away? It's true, there are some really great bands in Brooklyn right now (though I do like Black Dice more than others I've heard).

new 12" on Catsup Plate = whoa discuss!

really? this makes so much more sense, thanx for the info

There are definitely some good Brooklyn bands, Scott M. We could talk about it here, or we could just revive this thread, I guess.

Aren't they supposed to be collaborating with Boredoms or something?

http://www.catsupplate.com/main.htm

no, but i just saw the sleeve and mmmmm it's lovely

The Boredoms thing is actually a remix of the song "Endless Happiness" by Eye from the Boredoms. It's been done since last year, and will be the B-side of a 12" on DFA. But isn't coming out til Black Dice finally finish the A-side.

cromtech is forever on my "i need to hear that list". is it true crom tech made up their own language to express their lyrical content?

orthrelm is cool live... but on record it gets lost for me... the fucking champs twiddle my metal love buttons.

check out grand ulena if you like the above. "gateway to dignity". they're ex-dazzling killmen.

m.

really though the dwyer ocs is very fahey. have you heard it?

john dwyer is one of the funniest things about san francisco. he's everywhere you go, his presence sort of qualifies your event as being cool, and surprisingly for being such a psuedo-celebrity, he's nice as fuck

first of all, it's not providence, it's SF. secondly, nate denver, from crazy spazo noise band Total Shutdown also does solo stuff that's totally folky, singer songwriter stuff about making deals with the devil, and in the middle of the song he busts out with his cookie monster death metal growl. the funniest shit i've ever heard.

and he's nice as fuck

amps for christ anyone? (speaking of folkiness with relations to more pummeling tunage.)
m.

i guess dwyer was providence back in the day (when ft thunder was still around). thats where pnb started. browns new band is really sub-par. the album is decent but i saw them recently and it was somewhat boring.

i saw mick barr play a solo show a month or so ago and it was amazing. i cant decide if i like him solo or orthrelm better.

which is to say I kinda like them

(And Jon beats me to the punch. DAMN YOUR QUICK FINGERS.)

"funny as hell" never encouraged me to check out any kind of music, sorry. That Nate Denver sounds awful.

"Funny as hell" defines Noise Nomads.

or andrew wk?

m.

Ian, does NN have any recordings?

they rule!
m.

In that case, it's a terrible idea.

On the Sighting's axis, should I get the Michigan Haters CD or the self-titled LP on Load? I've got the 7" and a copy of them live on WFMU. Are there any major differences between the releases? I really love the song "Chili Dog" from Michigan Haters, so that's what I'm leaning towards. Though, it's a few dollars more expensive than the LP w. screened covers and colorful vinyl.

Dropdead are also great at the grindy thing. They get boring though on LP... 7" or live is the way to go with those fuckers. They play here seriously like once a week or something.

well someone's made a respectable amount of money from him... and i'd say he's the first from the crowd....

perhaps they'll get the blood brothers to cover a sabbath tune... say "supernaut" (how good was 1000 homo djs cover of that song)... and then once they're "in"... they're in.

put kelly and jack in the video some how....
m.

of course, they're gone now, aren't they?
m.

Mon. March 10
The Sickle
Olneyville
$5 bucks or$4 with a book or books

Doors at 8PM
Books through bars benefit show w/
Municipal Waste (RVA thrash)
Yaphet Koto
lotsofnoise (p11 of 25)
Dropdead ( MP3 page)
HBBSI
Straight to hell
Die Motherfucker Kill

YEP

http://www.dropdead.org/

(Pictures at yoitsren.com in the photography section)

"You all really need to own this record. Seriously. I am not joking. By the way, this band is Mick from Orthrelm's old band. If you like Orthrelm you will love Crom-Tech. If you hate Orthrelm, you'll probably like NOFX!"

i found this record to be incredibly dull. rock trio format does jazz noise, sort of like upsilon acrux (which in this wise isn't a compliment). better off with the snyder/thompson _daily dance_ album.

It was being distributed by Load for a while, and consequently there are like 2 or 3 copies at Armageddon Shop in Providence. Maybe I'll just splurge and get both.