Cody Chestnutt...any good?

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So whats up with this cd? Worth buying? I heard the song with the Roots the other night and thought it was decent. Saw a little thing on him on MTV last night and the clips they played were pretty good. Or is he the new Lenny Kravitz?

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:47 (twenty-three years ago)

oh thats ChestnuTT.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

If I could buy the frigging CD, or that idle slackAH Nathalie burned me the copy she promised me back in the Paleolithic Age ;-), I'd be able to tell you!

Nath says it's like a lo-fi "Sign 'O' The Times."

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

His voice sounds a bit like Lenny Kravitz, but don't let the comparison put you off!

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never heard a single note of his music, but his camera-mugging cameo in that Strokes video (wherein he just gets up on their stage, spreads his cape -- that's right, the man wears a cape -- and basks in a sickly fountain of gooey narcicism) makes wish him an avalanche of misfortune.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Capes are fun, especially when you make one out of a tablecloth.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex: please don't judge the CD by the way the man twirls a cape. His album is really kick-ass and confused and confusing and hilarious and chilling and it has more hooks than a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar video retrospective.

Best example: one song is ostensibly a lullaby to his kid, and he ends up chanting, "No worries, no stress / You lucky motherfucker." Anyone with these kinda balls can upstage those shy retiring Strokes wallflowers in my book. And it's a good book, too. A real pageturner.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

His voice sounds a bit like Lenny Kravitz, but don't let the comparison put you off!

I'll be the judge of that. When I get around to those mp3s, that is. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

the drummer is cool

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steve k (stevek10), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw him play live recently. It was hard to tell if his whole act is a put-on or not. He rolls all the preacherman-loverman-soulman archetypes into one big package and runs with them. He spent more time going on about how he's come to bring us the truth and making goof-off jokes than he did actually playing music. (This is similar to the album, in which some pretty good songs are padded by lots of short little throwaways that are cute/surprising the first time but very skippable after a couple of listens--Sign O' the Times, it ain't.) It probably didn't help that he was supporting Bobby "Blue" Bland, who despite losing some range and silkiness to age (and starting off his set by letting his band jam through a couple of tedious jazz-funk instrumentals), made Cody look like a silly little kid. So on the one hand, he might be a guy who's genuinely into all the classic old soul and is trying to figure out how to put it together into something new (in which case, he's showing signs that he might be able to do that, but he's a long way off), and on the other hand, he might just be a pastiche of all the classic old soul without much substance behind it. I really don't know yet.

Ben Williams, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

i heard half the first of two cds once (so i'm probably totally the one to be answering), but it's both good and bad. lots of filler. some great songs. kinda like an indie lenny kravitz at times

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I hate his name.

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

He rolls all the preacherman-loverman-soulman
archetypes into one big package and runs with them.

Really not my thing at all. You guys can keep him, his cape and his silly name.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex: "Youth" and "Jaz" and "Cody Chesnutt" and "Fifi Figalilly" are all silly names.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree completely, but who is Fifi Figalilly?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

We all have silly names. Except for me, mine's wonderful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Fifi Figalilly ROXX!!!

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Didn't you ever watch Nanny & the Professor as a kid, Alex? Maybe you were too young.

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

http://members.aol.com/pkeeton/images/nanny02.jpg

I'm talkin 'bout FIFI!!!

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Arthur you accessed that picture a little too quickly. I'm scared.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I dimly remember the name, but I might be confusing it with Sherman and Mr.Peabody.

"Jaz" is a trucation of Jeremy and a common Britishism (ala Gaz, Mozzer, Shaz, etc.). I'm not denying its inherent silliness, but it's plainly not his fault. "Youth", on the other hand, is just flatly stupid, I agree....although it's better than his original moniker, "Pig Youth."

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

well, not that this is going to make you like Cody ChesnuTT any more than you already wouldn't, but his deal is this: he was fronting a band, they were signed and getting buzz, then got dropped by their record label cruelly and broke up. Dude holed himself up, set up his recording equipment, and did the whole album (just about) by himself late at night, wearing headphones so he wouldn't wake anyone else up.

I think he took the name C.C. as kind of a "okay you bastards I'm reborn" thing. Which is also silly but so what? So is Elvis Costello, so is Sting--oh, wait, search for better examples--so is Bo Diddley.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I just hate his name cause it sounds like some extreme sports hippie child monstrosity. And I know, Neudonym, I'm a little obsessive about the fabulous Mills sisters. Although I draw the line at lil' Crispian.

Arthur (Arthur), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-three years ago)

hate the name / love the music / or love half of it
me i think the filler is the fun and fascinating part of the record
he goes from incredibly sexist to all gooey and romantic to surreally funny in a heartbeat
he sounds like late 1960s Stones and Prince and Gary Numan on the same track

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

he sounds like late 1960s Stones and Prince and Gary Numan on the same track

More Numan and Prince, less Stones, please. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned, I'm not a huge Stones guy either. The only song that's really like that is "The Seed," which is grittier than on Phrenology. But it's pretty prominent, and these boards love some Stones sometimes. I'm a-propagandizin'.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

STONES OVER ALL YOU WITH A BIG POOP.

I only heard that MTV2 song about his jacket, interesting music but the vocals were pure crack-addled gibberish. Gimme some truth, indeed.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

way way way overrated/hyped. apparently it's quite revolutionary for a black guy to keep the tape hiss on his record.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, Matos, where'd that race thing come from?

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

It's the subtext of almost every review I've read of him. "He's black, he's rock, and he's groundbreaking." And the only "groundbreaking" thing about the record is its PR campaign and the fact that, unlike most putatively mainstream performers, it sounds like shit (tape-hiss-wise, at least).

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I listened to some samples of off his site. Not worth me spending the X amount of dollars on it.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think it's a PR campaign, really, more than it was a fad record to review and then forget. If he had enough money for a PR campaign, he shoulda put that shit into distribution.

I guess you're right about the subtext, and I had that same reaction, but I couldn't find the record anywhere and gave up. Then I found it a month ago in a used shop and bought it, and I really like it a lot, tape-hiss or no.

So I'll respectfully disagree about the actual songs on the record. I think he's a pretty complicated songwriter, and I think there's a lot of layers to most of the stuff on the record. And I also don't think he's ever going to be a good singles artist--it functions as a whole better than it does a collection of individual "songs" or tracks or what have you.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I must admit despite finding it pretty unrespectable, I've wondered if I'd enjoy it on the FUCKING INSANE level I enjoy R. Kelly..

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

well, a record becoming "the hip thing to review" tends to mean (a) advance copies were sent to writers by (b) a PR firm who (c) stays on those writers' asses by sending out many, many notifications about the artist's forthcoming appearances, TV spots etc. this is the case with Chesnutt (fuck his idiotic spelling, too). that doesn't mean his PR is especially well-paid, just that they're persistent as fuck. he and they probably figured that by getting media attention first they'd have an easier go at getting distro later, which seems pretty smart to me.

I bought the disc, played it three times and no dice for me, and I have no problem saying the lousy fidelity has a lot to do with it. I still have it so maybe I'll give it another shot eventually. also, I do really like the Roots track he's on, though. since the media coverage has been so persistent my guess is that he's using the notoriety to try and get a "real," major label deal, and that his next album will be at least better recorded. frankly, at this point tape hiss is an aesthetic decision, not a necessary evil--most electronic artists and plenty of hip-hoppers record in their bedrooms and get extremely crisp fidelity. Chesnutt sounds muffled on purpose; that's fine and it obviously works for some people, but it's disingenuous when people write about it as if he had no choice in the matter because, y'know, he recorded it in his bedroom and stuff.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

meant to say that one reason I'm keeping it around is that when/if he does a better record I'll be able to go back and see whether I was wrong or right re: Headphone. also, the disingenuousness I mentioned at the end tends to be on the part of writers, not Chesnutt himself.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish I liked it as much as I expected to.

Honestly, from where I sit, Common's Electric Circus is a thousand times more rockin' than Headphone Masterpiece, which is an album title that irks me in a similar way to Anticon's Hip-Hop for the Advanced Listener.

But, if he were to blow up all over MTV and radio, I wouldn't turn it off either, as his music doesn't irk me or bother me whatsoever.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks everyone for input

see, I'm supposed to review this, and I'm trying to say why I like it without dipping into cliche bullshit and all that, and also so I can convince people that it's not all just hype

I write for about four or five different online mags and none of them got a copy, but that doesn't mean anything obviously

I think the tape hiss is absolutely on purpose too, but I don't see it as a negative; he's presenting this as his kind of diary in exile, and so it's texture for that. too slick would collapse the concept, and I buy the concept. I think he gets away with "serve this royalty" and all the grandiose shit BECAUSE it's clear he's a dude in his bedroom with a fucked tape machine, talking to himself in the middle of the night, propping himself up....

oh man my review's gonna suck.

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Naw, dude, that sounds like it'll be good!

Hell, I've got some tape-hissy talking-to-myself-in-the-middle-of-the-night 4-track stuff too, if'n yer dishin' out good reviews of the stuff! ;-)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with Matos completely about a few things: (a) his stuff is way grottier than it needs to be even for a bedroom recording, and (b) a lot of the attention it's getting really does stem from the fact that it's unusual to hear remotely soul-influenced music in that format. I don't think (b) is so terrible or unnatural though: part of the interest in low-fi bedroom recording is that it reveals how the music goes together, often by letting you see where it doesn't work so smoothly; soul over the past however-many years has submerged the how-it-fits-together aspect in favor of enveloping total passages. There is, I think, something genuinely interesting about the Chestnutt bits that are patched-together, seams-exposed soul -- unfortunately he can only keep it interesting for so many minutes at a time, after which it begins to just sound crappy.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

"passages" = "packages"

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm waiting for the Cody Chestnutt/Vic Chesnutt collabo.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm waiting for the inevitable Xmas release Chestnutt Roasting on an Open Fire.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone may have already noted this, but Ned needs to start writing his name as Ned RaggeTT.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Only if you start spelling yours as MiCCio.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

MiCCio Deville?

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

At last li'l Anthony has a proper role model instead of that Durst ne'er-do-well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I do realize the "diary-in-exile" thing is what he's going for, and though it doesn't work for me I sort of admire its moxie.

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

you've given my review new hope, Matos and nickalicious. pax

Neudonym, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Cody Chestnutt...any good?
The answer is no. NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Dan I., Wednesday, 5 March 2003 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Just becasue you think some people like a record for the "wrong" reasons, doesn't mean you can't like it for whatever you feel are "right" reasons. I don't think the tape hiss makes it a better record, I like it despite the tape hiss. I think it has top songs galore, it is funny and touching at times. I haven't enjoyed a rock 'n' roll records like this since The Strokes. (And I bought my own copy after hearing him on the Roots album.)

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

xpost to self

erm, I meant Relix

Z S, Thursday, 25 October 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

that album is packed w/ zzz tracks but still love this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4K0J3fPmw

deej, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

I really liked elements of this record -- I am more than indie enough to go for the one-man weirdo bedroom-style approach to r&b -- but at some point the guy himself started to annoy me on it. I mean, I can't point to any real difference between his songs and, like, an early Ween record, but there is some point between the (funny?) "bitch, I'm broke" song and the (delightfully creepy?) "I wanna get you pregnant behind my woman's back" song where you're like ... wait, this is possibly not playful, this dude IS a freak.

nabisco, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

This is one of my favorite records of the last five years.

Davey D, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

should have been an EP or a 9-10 track album. some of it is just cringey and awful. but it has some brill songs on it still.

titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

"Looks Good In Leather" is classic for all time. But yeah, that record could definitely have used some editing.

The Reverend, Friday, 26 October 2007 01:19 (eighteen years ago)

i seem to remember him touring a year or so back, with material that he was refusing to record? some sort of "album in a live format" concept. apparently the melbourne crowd got a bit uppity when he refused to play 'look good in leather' and other old trax.

haitch, Friday, 26 October 2007 02:22 (eighteen years ago)

"Look Good In Leather" is balls, wtf people.

da croupier, Friday, 26 October 2007 02:25 (eighteen years ago)

The problem with Lenny Kravitz is he ain't CRAAAAAZY

da croupier, Friday, 26 October 2007 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

You are balls. (Leather balls.)

The Reverend, Friday, 26 October 2007 02:32 (eighteen years ago)

I must admit despite finding it pretty unrespectable, I've wondered if I'd enjoy it on the FUCKING INSANE level I enjoy R. Kelly..

-- Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, March 5, 2003 7:34 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

just needed to acknowledge this before someone else pointed it out

da croupier, Friday, 26 October 2007 02:33 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really find Chesnutt all that batshit or whatever. His eccentricities seem as much a put-on as anything, but I don't necessarily view that as a bad thing.

The Reverend, Friday, 26 October 2007 02:36 (eighteen years ago)

xp dude look good in leather is like ben harper not kravitz... it is still a really good song.

babedad, Friday, 26 October 2007 03:53 (eighteen years ago)

i saw him right after the album came out, and he was pretty fun. the album is partially really crappy, but it's all sort of redeemed by the same edge nabisco points out? like 40% catchy songs that yeah sound a little like ben harper, but a really filthy, all-id, stoned on way sweeter shit ben harper? he seems (in retrospect LOL) more like an r&b ariel pink sometimes?

69, Friday, 26 October 2007 04:50 (eighteen years ago)

um and another 60% of that too

69, Friday, 26 October 2007 04:51 (eighteen years ago)

man ben harper sucks

69, Friday, 26 October 2007 04:51 (eighteen years ago)

I loooove "5 On a Joyride" (thanks Miranda July!). I haven't heard anything else from the album.

Tape Store, Friday, 26 October 2007 04:56 (eighteen years ago)

supposedly his song ("boils"?) on that PLAGUE SONGS comp is pretty good, too

69, Friday, 26 October 2007 05:02 (eighteen years ago)

Serve This Royalty!

admrl, Friday, 26 October 2007 05:14 (eighteen years ago)

I got a hard dick with a curve, and that's all you deserve, trick, I gotta let you know...

BITCH, I'M BROKE

Davey D, Friday, 26 October 2007 07:20 (eighteen years ago)

"an r&b ariel pink"

OTN

i used to try and sell ppl on ariel pink by saying he was like cody.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 26 October 2007 09:03 (eighteen years ago)

Boylife in America

n/a, Friday, 26 October 2007 12:12 (eighteen years ago)

he played a one-off show in montreal about a month ago. i couldn't make it (it was a very busy week), but from what i understand it was probably some version of the new-album-only-performed-live thing intimated upthread. he asked people not to applaud and basically just played straight through, i think. i find it hard to believe none of the mtl-ilm massif were there...?

sean gramophone, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Serve This Royalty!

That's the jam- was trying to remember. Bitch I'm Broke is a bit too gimmicky

blunt, Friday, 26 October 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

I thank you, Jesus, for my mama
And I thank you bitches for my money

The Reverend, Sunday, 8 June 2008 01:06 (seventeen years ago)

"Michelle" is so good.

The Reverend, Sunday, 8 June 2008 01:34 (seventeen years ago)

But yeah, that record could definitely have used some editing.

-- The Reverend, Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:19 PM (Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:19 PM) Bookmark Link

^^^ Offtm. This is totally one of those records where you have to take in all the excesses.

The Reverend, Sunday, 8 June 2008 01:47 (seventeen years ago)

Still digging "5 on a Joyride." I never checked out the rest of the album...is there anything else like that song?

Tape Store, Sunday, 8 June 2008 04:44 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, he has other stuff along those lines. I wouldn't take it as completely representative of his style, but he's rangy enough that I don't think he can really be represented by any given song of his. There are similar ballads on his album, though.

This isn't on his album, but it's v. pretty, btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxtdifKKgcI

The Reverend, Sunday, 8 June 2008 05:22 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

i heard look good in leather in a TV ad yesterday. hope it finally gets some of the attention it should have gotten when it came out. great song.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 January 2009 11:53 (seventeen years ago)

when is this man finally gonna release a new album :)
(I particularly enjoyed Up in the Treeeeeeeeehouse)

Ludo, Sunday, 4 January 2009 12:36 (seventeen years ago)

i think hes stopped making music (and has gotten more religious).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 4 January 2009 12:46 (seventeen years ago)

If Cody Chesnutt were to drop a 2cd clusterfuck tommorrow, I would be in total bliss.

The Reverend, Monday, 5 January 2009 03:39 (seventeen years ago)

still singing about his dick and his mama?

thirdalternative, Monday, 5 January 2009 06:12 (seventeen years ago)

Why not? Throw some of his newfound religion and that would be perfect.

Jedi Mind Trick Daddy (The Reverend), Monday, 5 January 2009 06:38 (seventeen years ago)

TT

+++ (jergins), Monday, 5 January 2009 07:01 (seventeen years ago)

TT

bamcquern, Monday, 5 January 2009 19:39 (seventeen years ago)

yeah the headphone masterpiece was rad!

69, Monday, 5 January 2009 20:06 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.myspace.com/codychesnuttmusic

new song.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 27 February 2009 08:44 (seventeen years ago)

I kiss you.

Joe Biddden (The Reverend), Friday, 27 February 2009 09:09 (seventeen years ago)

"Michelle" is so good.

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Joe Biddden (The Reverend), Friday, 27 February 2009 09:10 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

gonna fertilise another behind my lovers back....

this cd sucked apart from the 6-7 songs on the sampler cds that were floating around but he did have some seriously good songs on there.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

No talk about Landing On A Hundred? I'm loving the lyrics and vocals. and the bass playing is sick.

brimstead, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:44 (thirteen years ago)

The bass is very good.

skeet-skeet-gate (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 8 February 2013 17:36 (thirteen years ago)

i've only got that really long sprawling album that sounds like half-finished songs. is this representative?

dog latin, Friday, 8 February 2013 17:37 (thirteen years ago)

naaaaaah, this is super slick.

skeet-skeet-gate (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 8 February 2013 17:38 (thirteen years ago)

Til I Met Thee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iTRRkOXIoI

skeet-skeet-gate (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 8 February 2013 17:43 (thirteen years ago)

five months pass...

nice solo set live @ cmj union
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAlAmbewaZo

( (brimstead), Saturday, 20 July 2013 19:45 (twelve years ago)

three weeks pass...

video for "i've been life" (features stilt dancers)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lgog8c4FnE

( (brimstead), Tuesday, 13 August 2013 03:25 (twelve years ago)

seven years pass...

love this guy.

his song with gary clark is super great.

second album is mostly excellent, third is still pretty good but doesnt hang together as well.

nice to see him getting some notice from the soul pixar movie, even if that song isn't his best.

candyman, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 11:24 (five years ago)


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