How does music work?

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A hopelessly vague question, I know. But I mean it. Anyone have any idea? I've read about various brainwave studies that have been done, trying to determine how listening to music affects people, and the damnedest thing is, they can't tell. "Music" doesn't really register scientifically. So much for science. So what do you think? How does it work? Why is it such a human universal? Communication, yes, OK, but every culture in the world has developed spoken and written words for communication. Music serves a different purpose. Which is? And why? And how? And and and... (Sorry if this is an old topic. Everything here is new to me.)

Jesse Fox Mayshark (Jesse Fox), Thursday, 6 March 2003 06:33 (twenty-three years ago)

This is worth talking about, I think, but it's 2:41AM and I just got backing from Latin dancing, but I don't want to leave it hanging here. (Better minds will have probably already tackled it by the time I look at it again tomorrow morning.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Because it attracts Dust?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess it works because we get used to it. If someone had never heard music in his life, she probably wouldn't understand music when she would hear it for the first time. The same with abstract paintings. Now don't ask me how music started... (Actually, I think it had to do with religious rituals.)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.msnbc.com/news/846958.asp#BODY

on a neurobiological level, the research seems to be still in its infancy, at least going by the above story.

andy, Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

It's about 'time' and 'memory'. Finding ways to manipulate the parameters of one to engage the other.

dave q, Thursday, 6 March 2003 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Music works because we respond to it on a physical, yet in many ways subconscious level. We, as living, kinetic beings have inherent rythyms and beats - a heart beat being the most basic. Think of walking - this action has it's own rythym, or music. Same with any movement we make. We walk in syncopation when we're in a group sometimes - it just naturally happens.

The day/night cycle has it's own rythym, the sounds of nature, ie; rain, thunder, animals and birds, and of course, the ocean. It's a primal response to the world we live in.

Music began (if you can believe Anthropologists) with drumming. That's about as basic and primal as it gets, possibly derived from our heart beat/the ocean. As our need to further express ourselves it became more complex, ultimately resulting in the pinnacle of musical expression - Heavy Metal! (just kidding)

So, music 'works' because it resonates with the natural rythyms that make the qualities we define as human.

Either that, or as Nick said, it attracts dust.

Davlo (Davlo), Thursday, 6 March 2003 16:27 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a pretty interesting book called Music, the Brain, and Ecstasy: How Music Captures Our Imagination by Robert Jourdain that captures some of the nutsy-boltsy aspects of this question.

Personally, I think music is probably the most physiologically direct artform. That is, sounds tend to have direct physical effects, for whatever reason, that are more myriad and stronger than any other sensory input (the only stronger impulse I can think of is perhaps the visual stimulus that causes the "flinch" reflex, or maybe a good old fashioned hot stove). And the fact that, for example, you are adapted to be able to shut off visual information with the barest amount of thought by closing your eyes but can't do the same for your hearing means we are always open to sonic--or musical--experience. That seems significant. Also, I think that instrumental music tends to remain abstract information, even after being interpreted by the brain. I mean, we come to recognize raw sounds--a fax modem, a car horn--as set patterns the same way we come to recognize a familiar face or a stop sign, but music remains a deliberate abstract, even when produced by a familiar sound sources, such as a string quartet or a drum kit. We recognize a jaunty tune as a jaunty tune or a swinging beat as a swinging beat, but each new jaunty tune or swinging beat must be grappled with and assimilated as new information.

I don't know what all of that means, necessarily, but it surely is a fascinating topic.

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm terribly inarticulate when I wander into these sort of threads. I can only advise that people check out the journal Musicae Scientiae (probably in your local university library) whose stated purpose is to "study the perceptual and mental processes underlying musical experience and activity." It's surprisingly accessible, though perhaps not easy.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 March 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for the thoughts and references. You're definitely onto something, Lee, with the primacy of hearing and the recognition of patterns. I guess what's puzzling is the fact that it is all so abstract, but it doesn't feel abstract; or maybe it's just that once you internalize one particular set of structures and patterns, they no longer feel abstract. There's certainly music that still feels abstract to me, and it's also true that repeated exposure to any form of music can eventually produce assimilation so that it starts to make more intuitive sense. I guess that also has a lot to do with people's attitudes toward music. Some people are only ever comfortable with the first music they heard, or the music they grew up hearing, because they're no more conscious of having "learned" it than they are of having learned their native language. So other musics sound challenging or incomprehensible to them -- hence, the "It's not music" complaints about hip hop, free jazz, glitch, whatever. On the other hand, people who see music as essentially a mutable form of language are more likely to both investigate the origins of whichever forms they're familiar with and to look for new and different forms. Or something. This may also be why some self-consciously experimental stuff doesn't work. It's all well and good to rearrange structures and patterns, or to defy the primacy of whatever structures and patterns you feel oppressed by, but it's harder to actually find new ways to communicate (or to communicate something other than, "Fuck the existing structures and patterns," which is valid, but only takes you so far). On the other hand, I suppose some people start out to say nothing more than "Fuck the structure" and end up with a whole new language.

Jesse Fox Mayshark (Jesse Fox), Thursday, 6 March 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps that's the addictive element, for those of us susceptible: This abstract stimulus comes in and lights up our brain in some mysterious way, and we want more of that--more repetitions of that stimulus (at least until we've wholly assimilated it, gotten tired of it, whatever), and/or more different opportunities to experience it from other stimulus.

On the other hand, maybe the the value of experimental music lies in pushing your perception out of its well-worn and favored pathways. I know that's the case for me. While you can't hum a Derek Bailey guitar improvisation, for example, I find such music wrong-foots my expectations and perceptions in a most enlightening, often enjoyable way. (There's a lot more to be said about the value and practice of listening to experimental music, but I'll refrain from saying it here.) Same thing with, say, Morton Feldman's superlong, low-dynamics mediations for piano or strings, or any other musician/composer who stretches the usual parameters of harmony, rhythm, time, or memory that we bring to music.

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 6 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

music is silly

naga_pampa (naga_pampa), Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir Hongro to thread, maybe?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:20 (twenty-three years ago)

music doesn't work, it plays.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 March 2003 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)

patterns all around you
patterns everywhere
patterns of behavior
sometimes seem unfair
can you recognize the patterns that you find?

patterns unfamiliar
patterns lead you through (to)
patterns of discovery
tracing out the clues
can you recognize the patterns that you find?
stuck in your mind

in this land where stability is hard to find
you can rearrange the patterns so unkind
don't bother asking why a pattern never cries
old patterns never die they just go on and on

patterns multiplying
re-direct our view
endless variations
make it all seem new

dave q, Friday, 7 March 2003 11:05 (twenty-three years ago)


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