the velvet underground's "squeeze"

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i always get rather curious about records that are notriously 'bad'

sort of like when someone remarks about the foul smell of something and you can't help but having a sniff of whatever it is....

so, has anyone listen to the velvet underground's "squeeze"? i'd really like to have a listen, out of curiousity.

here's a little description from amg.com: "Squeeze, the only album recorded with a bastardized version of the Velvet Underground, was released in 1973 to uniformly terrible reviews; Yule broke up the band shortly after its release. Over the years, Squeeze has not only become increasingly rare — after all, not many copies of the record were pressed — it has disappeared from the official Velvet Underground discography"

john! (drystereo), Thursday, 6 March 2003 07:42 (twenty-three years ago)

i think my radio station has it, but i've never been curious enough to check it out.

captain trip releases a box of live performances from this period a couple of years ago. i'd really love to see some sales figures on that.

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 6 March 2003 08:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I've got a copy of it. Only ever listen to it when someone else is curious about it. It's not an intrinsicly awful album that makes you want to gouge out your ears or something, but just a bland album from an generic-sounding early 70s rock band. If it didn't say "Velvet Underground" on it, I don't believe that folks would hate it as much.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Thursday, 6 March 2003 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I reckon Yule must have absorbed a fair amount song writing lessons from Lou Reed as Squeeze is fairly enjoyable in a pop-VU fourth album vein. I got the LP and used to have a copy on the other side of a tape from Pet Sounds and listened to that all the time. There's great wacky stereo effects on Crash which was a particular fav.

I do reckon it would be much more highly rated if it hadn't been put out as a VU album.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 6 March 2003 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)

have a look here:
http://www.tangents.co.uk/tangents/main/2003/feb/vu.html

rh, Thursday, 6 March 2003 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

There's also a four-CD boxed set of live stuff from the post-Reed-era VU. It's... well, pretty lame by VU standards, but lots of other bands would still be justifiably proud of the performances. But not of the non-Reed material.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 6 March 2003 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

i think i downloaded mp3's of squeeze and listened to it once. nothing really that remarkable about it, but yeah, it's only so "bad" cause of the VU stigma attached to it. those are some hard shoes to fill.

john fail, Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always loved Muddy Waters' "Electric Mud" even though it is routinely reviled and often cited as "the worst blues album ever".

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Hm, I've often wondered if people who love that album do so in part to raise hackles, because it is a textbook case of (in blues fandom terms) inauthenticity.

Wow, I forgot what thread I was posting to for a moment.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ooooh, this leads to another good question....name some notriously ill-recieved albums and whether they deserve the reputation they have....

for instance: bob dylan's 'self-portrait'

i'd still like to listen to 'squeeze' one day. bad record or not, the album cover sure is pretty.

drystereo (drystereo), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah, I didn't know it was so hated until well after I'd bought it. I got it because a friend recommended it to me when he noticed the Cypress Hill sample from "Tomcat", and when I heard it I just loved that sharp, glass-shredding wah-wah electric guitar sound. The overblown bluster of the whole album is a sound I really dig - it's a little pre-Funkadelic guitar freakout. I can see why blues purists hate it tho, it has all the classic markings of a "sellout album". In this case I like the sound of the sellout. Plus the sleeve insert of him getting his hair done is fucking hilarious.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Shakey you should hear the Howlin' Wolf record that came out of the same Chess Records project: This Is Howlin Wolf's New Album and He Doesn't Like It. More of the same, only (on the terms you describe) better.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 6 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Judging from the title, I like it already! Thanks for the recommendation, I'll keep an eye out for it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi John!

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 6 March 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

name some notriously ill-recieved albums and whether they deserve the reputation they have

great sub-thread idea. any other suggestions?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 31 May 2007 03:44 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

You know, fuck it. I've had this on tape for a while, and lately I've been playing it in the car a lot. It's a perfectly great album. Guitar breaks on "Little Jack" alone are worth the price of admission. Fuck you Lou Reed and your over-hyped band. Not saying this is better than anything VU did, but it's an album that people should hear.

dlp9001, Saturday, 15 August 2009 15:57 (sixteen years ago)

I really do like this album

Flea Kuti (PappaWheelie V), Saturday, 15 August 2009 18:49 (sixteen years ago)

Fuck you Lou Reed and your over-hyped band.
haha, easy there, tiger. But i agree, this is a perfectly good album -- I think it's too bad it wasn't just released as a Doug Yule solo record, which I think is what Doug thought it was when he was making it. Could've given his name a boost and maybe we'd have more Doug Yule music today. Guy was super talented!

tylerw, Saturday, 15 August 2009 18:53 (sixteen years ago)

I really wanted to like this album, I love Dougie and all his works, but it just isn't very good. Not terrible, just bland and unmemorable.

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 09:50 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

I love, love, love the fact that Little Jack and Louise made the cut:

http://www.amazon.com/Velvet-Underground-Tribute/dp/B003YPNIOS

http://open.spotify.com/album/4HpQ89feMK2mwfAKOcyGax

dlp9001, Thursday, 8 September 2011 02:04 (fourteen years ago)

nine months pass...

Squeeze (CD)

by The Velvet Underground

Released: 2nd July 2012

Mark G, Friday, 22 June 2012 10:56 (thirteen years ago)

UK Velvet Underground Squeeze

Stumpy Joe's Cafe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 June 2012 11:06 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

The Squeeze remaster turned up on Spotify, I'm not sure when. It sounds pretty great, much much better than my old tape. Definitely in the running for best widely-despised album of all time.

dlp9001, Thursday, 12 December 2013 17:24 (twelve years ago)

stand by my comments above - if this record had "Doug Yule" on the cover instead of "The Velvet Underground," Light in the Attic would be re-ishing it on fancy vinyl and everyone would be saying it was a lost classic. (not saying it's necessarily AMAZING, but it's not terrible, and a lot worse 70s records get praised to the high heavens)

tylerw, Thursday, 12 December 2013 17:27 (twelve years ago)

with a recommendation like that from tylerw I guess it is time to give it another chance

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 December 2013 18:14 (twelve years ago)

Well I was thinking that myself but, I don't know, it's just a sort of nothing album, it's not bad it's just not that interesting

Saturated with working class intelligence and not afraid to show it (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 December 2013 18:24 (twelve years ago)

xp haha, well, don't go in expecting incredible things, but the album isn't worth loathing by any means.
i'd be interested in hearing the version of "friends" that was taped with sterling morrison and moe tucker still in the band (i think it's referred to in the Fully Loaded reissue notes?). that song could be on mccartney or something

tylerw, Thursday, 12 December 2013 18:25 (twelve years ago)

First tune starts like "Pinball Wizard" and has a "Sympathy for the Devil" hoo-hoo backing vocal. You sure this isn't World Party?

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 12 December 2013 18:27 (twelve years ago)

Didnt Ian Paice drum on this?

Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, 12 December 2013 18:28 (twelve years ago)

that's what it says on the LP, but apparently Paice denies it was him! maybe he just forgot.

tylerw, Thursday, 12 December 2013 18:28 (twelve years ago)

stand by my comments above - if this record had "Doug Yule" on the cover instead of "The Velvet Underground," Light in the Attic would be re-ishing it on fancy vinyl and everyone would be saying it was a lost classic. (not saying it's necessarily AMAZING, but it's not terrible, and a lot worse 70s records get praised to the high heavens)

― tylerw, Thursday, 12 December 2013 12:27

Completely agree.

"Friends" is especially great.

chromecassettes, Thursday, 12 December 2013 23:36 (twelve years ago)

nine years pass...

I haven’t listened to this in a long time, but I remember thinking when I did finally hear it that what must have been going through Doug’s head at the time was “You know what people want from the VU? More songs like ‘Lonesome Cowboy Bill!’”

The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 18 June 2023 05:39 (two years ago)

It wasn’t up to Doug. The Velvets’ manager, Steve Sesnick, insisted it come out under the Velvet Underground name. And anyway, it’s not a bad record on its own merits (tylerw otm upthread), and is arguably less of a blight on the Velvets discography than Live MCMXCIII. An album with no original members is less embarrassing to their legacy than the underwhelming reunion of all the original members.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 18 June 2023 10:34 (two years ago)

“Little Jack”… starts like “Pinball Wizard” and then has some “Sympathy For the Devil” backing vocals…so it paved the way for World Party and “Way Down Now.”

Holly Godarkbloom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 June 2023 11:10 (two years ago)

“Tomcat” off Electric Mud sounding pretty good to me though.

Holly Godarkbloom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 June 2023 11:11 (two years ago)

You know how "not many people heard the Velvet Underground in their hey-day, but the ones who did started their own band" trope?

Kinda feel like this record was made by the first band who did that!

pplains, Monday, 19 June 2023 13:26 (two years ago)

it's a fascinating record because it comes SO close to being a decent clone of Loaded. but it just totally misses the mark in terms of songcraft. the sound is totally there, all the little details, but the songs are just so anonymous they just pass right through you without leaving a mark. i don't mind listening to the record, but it's just a weird, kind of nothing experience.

Search:

"Friends", the only good track. also check out the Luna cover, which is so dreamy and awesome
"Wordless" is like a 6.75 / 10 track
the coda to "Louise" is pretty nice and scratches a VU itch for sure

budo jeru, Monday, 19 June 2023 16:59 (two years ago)

Yeah its not a classic but at its worst its just pedestrian. It doesnt deserve the performative opprobrium that it often gets for the unforgivable crime of not featuring any original members of the Velvet Underground (which iirc many good albums do not.) If "Friends" was on a proper VU album it would be up there on lists of people's favorite VU songs. I also dig "She'll Make you Cry" which is good if you just hear it as a forgotten sunshine pop nugget. I have a Loaded playlist that subs those tracks in place of the my least fav Loaded tracks and its a nice improvement imho.

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 19 June 2023 17:14 (two years ago)

Been said before but the Hackamore Brick album, though far from perfect, is a much better attempt at Loaded era VU than this album.

Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Monday, 19 June 2023 17:17 (two years ago)

love da Brick

Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Monday, 19 June 2023 22:58 (two years ago)


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