I miss Lee Mavers.

i miss krome & time...

I've got a couple of the field mice songs, is the Saint Etienne cover different from the original? Yeah....alot of music is very sixties influenced. the only bands that arent: boards of canada...but even what I like to think are 'cutting edge' (said in cocaine edgy voice) super furry animals, etc.....take the best pastiches of the sixties and makes something new and different. But really, it's all rock and roll, guitars, bass, drums...what is teh big deal?

the best quote, that I shall misquote, is the singer from the beachwood sparks...

'yeah...but david crosby didnt grow up listening to sonic youth and dinosaur jr....'

true..very true...

The Field Mice had a few 60's tinged songs, but there was always much more to them than that. Moreover, I don't think they were consciously trying to rekindle the 60's vibe the way The La's were - Bob Wratten just writes that way. Plus they appealed to a considerably different crowd to The La's, who (through no fault of their own, I guarantee it - it's more Oasis' fault than anything) somehow fell into the whole dadrock thing. After they split up though, so they weren't trying to appeal to that audience (like the awful Ocean Colour Scene and the aforementioned Cast)

Anyway... that said, I actually prefer Trembling Blue Stars, who sound much different. I'm probably the only person on the planet who prefers Trembling Blue Stars to the Field Mice, but there you go.

And yes, my club is called 'Strange Fruit'. Off-kilter indie, post- rock and eclectica. We don't play The La's very often (if ever), we do play lots of Field Mice. And we've played Michael Head once, I think. Though not for people to dance to. Nothing like a quick plug...

Now, if only Lee Majors would come to the club. That'd be really something... Entry £4, £3 with flyer, $6m with bionic limbs...

but really, who is remembered as the genius? the field mice or lee mavers?

The original 'Kiss and Make Up' is poppier and bouncier than the St. Etienne version, btw.

Who is remembered as the genius? That *really* depends who you ask. I could fill a room with people who think Bob Wratten is a genius, and I could fill another with Lee Mavers fans. Very subjective.

Field Mice, like, duh!

"There She Goes" was a nice song for the Boo Radleys to cover. The end.

I like Cast better, for heaven's sake. And I don't like Cast much at all!

Myth of Lee Mavers = wank material for those who keep crying they were born too late, and should have been alive during the time when they could have been shipped off to Vietnam. Thanks, I'll take the present with all its own faults...

Side topic:

Who is the new Tom Waits/Bruce Springsteen. I'm wagering Ed Harcourt and/or Sparklehorse.

I do not know enough about field mice to really comment but Lee Mavers comes on like the mahalia jackson of rock and roll. Field Mice whinged like the city/amen corner to me.

i always thought krome was the genius, but time definitely contributed in his own way too

I'm not aboout to trust a gentlemen's opinion of music when he goes on ad nauseum about chapterhouse.

arrgghh...

new tom waits=bogdan raczynski
new bruce springsteen=don't give a fuck
ed harcourt and sparklehorse=indie, ugh, shudder...

sparklehorse and ed harcourt are hardly arrgghh rock.

and if you don't care about bruce sprinsteen, sir, man o man....you really don't know rock and roll!

A whole room full of Lee Majors fans would be fantastic!!! How about a convention? We could sell out a stadium, easily!

How about a convention of Lollies fans? That would be what? Ten/Twenty people. We can have it in my back garden!

dude, i already told you, i don't know anything about rock'n'roll...

So far my favorite phrase from the referenced thread is, "Kis my arse cunt rag". The lack of punctuation lets me happily imgaine that this person was calling someone an arse cunt. I'm very easy to amuse...

Oh, is that a link to the anarchist forum? Bloody anarchists.
I don't like the La's, never have and probably never will.
Does anyone else here, after reading 'doompatrol's posts, feel like destroying their entire record collection and erasing all trace of music from their memory? I do.

gnac is a bit dull, but montgolfier brothers are splendid. other than that poptones is a disaster, even if they do release kevin shields records secretly. track and field is not all that great either, ah, but i do like screen prints very much. bob wratten is a genius, all heart. bright eyes is hardly an established us act, he is big among the 14 year old make-out club obsessive type crowd because he is "deep" and cries loads. but then bob wratten is a big sissy too so i am a hypocrite. i prefer trembling blue stars over the field mice as well, her handwriting*sigh*.

Wow. Man o man. What's it like being bitter and english?

Very very sad.

Bye.

Doom/Paul: Wow. Man o man. What's it like being bitter and english?

it's fucking great. I love it.

hugz 'n' kissez

I like all the gnac tracks I have on compilations (Darla comps and the Tell-Tale Signs Of Earworm double-cd), so I picked up the album, which is very dull indeed. None of the spaced-out droney loveliness of the Darla/Earworm stuff, just plodding acoustic folky tweeness which did nothing for me. And I bought that Volume Courbe single after seeing a ridiculously glowing review of it somewhere which described it as a cross between Stereolab, MBV and Autechre or something similarly enticing and inaccurate and, hm, I think it may be the worst 7" I've ever spent money on. I can't offer any in-depth criticism of it as I seem to have blanked it out of my memory, but it was ten minutes of pots being banged and somebody thinking, "Heh heh heh, Alan McGee is paying for my studio time and I can make a pretentious racket knowing that everyone will fawn over it because I have a French name, how cool am I?" I really hope that the rumours that it was Kevin Shields were false.

The Beach Buggy album is quite cool though. It's a lot closer to capturing the rawness of their live show than the previous album I bought after seeing them live last year, as you might expect from something produced - uhm, sorry, recorded - by Steve Albini. In some ways it's just another Pixies clone and it all gets pretty samey after a few tracks but all of the tracks are fairly good in their own right, imho. It also reminds me a lot of Mclusky, and now I'm thinking that if they weren't too pop for him Mclusky produced by Albini might sound very good indeed. Plus he might manage to dissuade them from writing lyrics about liberals on roller-skates in the city park or whatever it was.

Anyway, the Beach Buggy album is probably the best thing I've heard on Poptones yet, although I haven't heard whatever they've released by Oranger yet (I quite liked the single I bought by them last year, although it might have got annoying by now in the same way that I liked the last Apples in Stereo album - which to my mind is similar - last year but now every time songs from it pop up on my winamp playlist I get very tempted to throw the computer out of the nearest window. Still, despite five years of evidence to the contrary, I stick to the belief that Scott Kannberg has good taste and judgement musically...). Poptones is a definite case of quantity over quality, throwing hundreds of bands into studios and releasing hundreds of 7"s every week in the hope that some of it might be worth listening to. On the other hand, it's good to see that they are releasing some stuff by relatively unknown bands, and at least the cd albums are cheap. And the albums mostly don't have that vile green and white colour scheme of the singles, mercifully.

I ramble on too much and talk about indie too much. Sorry. To echo Christopher's sentiments from another thread, if anyone doesn't want me here then drop me an email telling me so and I won't be offended and will leave you in peace. See, I'm not quite sure whether my ILM email update subscriptions died a few times as a hint that I'm not wanted or just because something's broken somewhere along the line. Still, since I'm mostly a lurker by nature (translation: not having anything worthwhile to say ever, but forgetting that occasionally), most of you would probably be hard-pushed to tell the difference.

Heh heh. Boss gone home early, office to myself, the afore-mentioned BB album in the cd-rom drive, and vast amounts of caffeine in the bloodstream. Rawk! Er, sorry, I'll calm down in a bit, honest.

Rebecca, you've made a very thoughtful and interesting contribution to a thread which was otherwise a flamepit waste of time! Thank you for that. Erm... BTW, I believe Chris was addressing his apology or whatever to me, as we know each other quite well off-board. (I don't know why he would think that I wouldn't welcome his presence online as well as in real life?) But anyway, I just wanted to say welcome, or welcome back as the case may be, and please continue to contribute your intelligent and thoughtful ramblings, they are much needed!

Oops. I *do* go on too much. Sorry about that ridiculously long and skullcrushingly tedious post. Will attempt to reacquaint myself with the concept of brevity (not one I'm very familiar with, physical stature aside. Perhaps I'm trying to make up for being shorter than the average amoeba by being unable to condense a single pointless rant into any less than a thousand words or so. Sorry...).

Kickin' back is a strong of immense rocket from the crypt/pixies/soul enormity.

I liked the La Volume Courbe single......................enchanting really.

Masonic boom, you are bitter and very bossy. If you don't like this thread, get off of it?

incidentally, i saw beach buggy play in the back of a van outside a pavement gig at leeds met university once. i also like hats.

Because, doompatrol, watching you compulsively make an arse of yourself in public is the internet equivalent of watching the more outrageous Jerry Springer guests boasting about marrying their cousins- highly entertaining.

And just occasionally, someone like Rebecca or Chris gets an interesting word in edgewise.

oh, and rebecca? long posts rule. gnac? which album is that, the one on rocket girl, whats it called, um, Sevens? i quite like it, not amazing or anything, but has some nice moments. whats happened to rocket girl by the way, i've been disappointed by recent releases.

listen baby...

that is not the case. i'm just here to talk to some people who have a mutual love of music.

if you don't like it.

l.e.a.v.e.

I don't miss Lee Mavers, but - well, I think it's sad when someone Loses It or disappears. And I think he had a sublime moment or two.

I do agree...

I find it hard to listen to some of the Syd Barrett bootlegs that I have. It's someone have a life breakdown and feels morbid. The sound of someone who doesnt know what he is sharing.

The demos and the live tapes I have of the la's are interesting and do provide sublime moments.

Funny, I thought you were here to "play devils advocate" and talk about Alan McGee's cock size.

ps. I was talking about my size. Since you asked....and was so curious.

hahahaha....

whatever. Oooo....what a terrible thing to say Colin. Rather boring, considering you would never say such things face to face. Me? I would.

There is a difference.

Anyways....

Great Lakes has anyone heard of them?

Yes. A bit wet, I hear.

The difference is, Doom, that I masturbate in private while you wank your little teenage fantasies about Alan McGee all over this board in public. Not getting enough attention from your wife at home that you can't stay away from this board?

OOoooo....so very witty. Are you sure you don't write Carry On films.

Now there's an idea... I wonder if I can sell "Carry On Creation" to the BBC? Starring Doom, of course.

Lou Ferringo was The Incredible Hulk. Green skin, like Kermit.

What, no witty riposte? Go on, it's been all of 30 seconds! Surely your vastly superior Canadian wit and intellect and of course, supreme sweetness and non-bitterness could surely slay us all! Hit me with your best shot!

i'm bored of this now, can't we talk aboutuk garage instead?

wow, i'm like nicky d, bringing the blue lines...

DaRL!NG DooMPauL SeZ:

Great Lakes has anyone heard of them?

I've heard of Greg Lake

Will that do?

xoxo

Hey I miss him as well.

Lee Mavers is a mystical bizarre mersey superstar.

doompatrol: Great Lakes has anyone heard of them?
Norman Fay: I've heard of Greg Lake. Will that do?

And I've heard of Kirk Lake. Perhaps the Great Lakes are a supergroup comprised of Greg and Kirk?

Nah. Great lakes recently got reissued on track and field. Country/Mamas and the Papas/Beachwood Sparks sort of band.

Any thoughts on the Clientele?

somebody chatted someone up once, then passed a tape of a band to a club manager, the club manager thought the band was shite and never put them on the club night and now everyone involved is utterly hated by the somebody...

who is the somebody?

Surely not... LEE MAVERS!!!

Go on, oh namedropper supreme, do tell us.

I think thee answer is at the end ov thee "eagle" thread, colin. I'm sure U'l be amazed at who he seems to be referring to. Dear Lord......(sigh)

xoxo

I was going to be discreet but even *I* get tired about being attacked all of the time. It's boring as well. I went out of my way to avoid attacking back. But what can I say? Be vicious to me, I'll be vicious back. Bored of I LOVE MUSIC anyways...

So don't sigh at me.

Just having my own back.

dude, you won't leave I Love Music. you love it here, you post even more than me! anyway i don't think yr that bad, a touch aggressive and macho, but so what?

that time when you threatened to ruin robins 'career'? man, that rocked. could you do that again?

I was being ironic gareth....and well, just having some fun.........after watching kevin spacey in swimming with sharks......

i'm just agressive cause i get attacked all of the time even when I'm chilling out and talking about music.

No, doom, you can just dish it out but you can't take it. You won't ever leave, you just make these childish little "oh, you're going to miss me when I'm gone" huffs out of the room, then get upset when no one ever does miss you.

You don't ever actually realise that it is actually FUN watching how predictably wound up you get about everything.

I don't get upset. O.k., people who have no conviction upset me but that is half of the human race, including you. Please can we stop this, it's boring for the others on the board.

PS. I was having fun....

Oh, what, have you run out of steam? Have I actually out-Doompatrolled doompatrol? What is that I hear, "uncle, uncle... quit it"?

I'm off to Oxford to hang with the ILM posse at Sussed, so if I don't write you lovenotes back, Doom, it's not cause I don't care. XOXOXO, kisses to my biggest fan.

you are the equivalent of the school yard bully. it's rather amusing for me.

hahahaha...

oh well, can't win them all. go and hang out with your 'posse'....

hahahaha...

you are the equivalent of the school yard bully.

Takes one to know one, doesn't it?

I guess that you're just jealous that I actually have friends who want me around, while you have to make do with your little fantasies that Alan McGee even remembers who you are.

Oh no...

Actually, I was hanging out with him last night....

What's the matter????

I know alot of people in that nasty snake pit business called the music industry but I have no desire to ever join it...

good spin doctoring kate...

avoid the honest truth of what I said but throwing more insults my way.

you are good at spreading hatred. maybe a new career in progandhi?

Oh no... Actually, I was hanging out with him last night....

So who hung the lowest, then?

bwaHaHahAhA

*cough*

*snort*

-*ack*

kiss kiss

"Hanging Out With Halo Jones": Classic or Dud?

for the cheeky jokes: classic...

for the distressing prog rock keyboard solos: dud...

he still seems to have the urge to do it.....just always falls short or loses interest in it......he regularly poaches members of young new local bands in liverpool, rehearses and jams songs with them then at the last moment scraps the idea........hopefully a band will eventually emerge.......i think the cammy/neil/lee lineup would reform with maybe edgar summertyme on bass......he'd do it i imagine............

the demos are stunning....................theres lots more than just the LP if you dig about in the right bootleg circles........

James

Yep James, I agree.. and they're out on official sources.. ;)

A board for people to witter on about Lee..

http://pub66.ezboard.com/bthelas

La'zarus

http://www.geocities.com/The_Las

(half the links are dead, but hey, that's half the fun..)

doompatrol < how are things, fine thread you have here.. ;)))

Aww come on people - The fiedl mice were just cool, Trembling Blue stars are heavenly ( well okay heavenly were another cool band, do marine research cut it ?). Ahh but Lee Mavers - the guy who never uttered a word to me when I sneaked into their dressing room ? The La's had soul running through every single note they played. All this talk of bootlegs - can someone point me in the right direction ? I've got a couple of gigs, a live video and the album/singles. The bastard at NME (andrew collins , if you're listening) wouldn't send me the tape the la's did for him even though he said in his article he'd send it to anyone he wrote.

Shack ? Excellent ! But surely THEY are the biggest smack band ??

Demos / bootlegs - please let me know !

Surj

do you still miss him?

i've decided i don't like the la's - mediocre tunes, boring retro stylings. not much better than cast, really, and miles behind shack. i wonder what doom-e will say...