The White Stripes - future or schlock?

I heard Jack White gets miffed when people compare his voice to Robert Plant. Huh? He sounds *exactly* like him most of the time, minus all the wretched bluesy excess. And I think you can see that.

When they came to New Zealand I said 'They're not brother and sister.' My friend looked like he thought I was an evil demon so I said, just joking.

best rock band of the 00s

occasionally

definitely

their high quality run is ridiculous - I don't think there's really any drop-off until the final album. can't think of any other big rock band in the past decade that had this kind of hit-to-miss ratio as well as such a well-executed conceptual framework behind them

Too much good taste stops you doing anything exceptional.

Don't wanna argue about greatest anythings tho, these guys are pretty decent.

You know, they're not really brother and sister.

ppl sleeping on test icicles

sounds painful

i've never really fallen for the white stripes, even though i can see why people dig them. something about jack white's overall persona puts me off, not sure what it is.

he's kind of a 'bag

i think their persona is not very personable or friendly-seeming, JW always seems like he's in some weird character, watching him is like watching johnny depp in a shitty tim burton movie. but this band still rules.

it'd be a good poll. spoon and yeah yeah yeahs had pretty a great decade.

One album in the last five years makes it tough to call them the band of the decade.

i dunno, five albums over the the course of the decade, last one only 3 years ago. i think they've done enough to qualify for the finals.

"Her femininity and extreme minimalism are too much to take for some metalheads and reverse-contrarian hipsters," White told the New York Post. "She can do what those with 'technical prowess' can't. She inspires people to bash on pots and pans. For that, they repay her with gossip and judgement."

He continued by saying that Meg has the last laugh over her critics. "In the end she's laughing all the way to the Prada handbag store," he said. "She wins every time."

definitely

― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:52 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

c/s

one of my favorites ever

jack white quote makes him seem so weirdly defensive, as though he feels compelled to single out and mentally crush every perceived slight. a lot of celebrities seem to drift in this direction.

next stop rollinsville

"watching him is like watching johnny depp in a shitty tim burton movie"

made me think of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcqU17s2xEM

xp a lot of people who aren't celebs act like that too, you may have even encountered a few of them here #noshots

^^^lol

jack white quote makes him seem so weirdly defensive, as though he feels compelled to single out and mentally crush every perceived slight. a lot of celebrities seem to drift in this direction.

tbf Meg got an awful lot of ugly shit directed at her, I don't think this was some perceived slight, the insults along the lines of "she can't drum for shit" are pretty pervasive

yeah, no argument. was responding more to his tone than the validity of his complaint. stuff about "reverse-contrarian hipsters" (?) with their "gossip and judgment". it's not the first time he's come across as cranky about this kind of thing. otoh, it must be weird to be the focus of so much attention, both positive and negative, so it's not like i fault him for his defensiveness.

the insults along the lines of "she can't drum for shit" are pretty pervasive

plenty of those on this board, the fact that whiney considers her and the dude from the Black Keys as the worst drummers in the world (paraphrasing slightly here) makes me wonder if he's ever seen a real drummer before

of course i'm whiney baiting on purpose here, but i feel like he hates those two more for their "technique" (as he outlined in the SNL thread) than for their talent

Whiney is a drummer.

there are times when i think "good" drummers are pretty overrated

Whiney is a drummer.

again, my sarcasm was pure whiney bait

the white stripes with a more conventionally "chops" type drummer would be a significantly worse band. plus i don't think she's bad at all, just minimal...

but yeah lots of people get all weirdo guitar center mentality about her

dude who played with JW in the upholsterers was more technically skilled, and they sounded pretty good. not taking anything away from meg there...

the white stripes with a more conventionally "chops" type drummer would be a significantly worse band

^^^OTFM. she's a crucial element that makes the band work

yeah but the revanchists were boring xp

for some reason I can't bring myself to give a shit about any of JW's non-White Stripes projects. and it's not just the lack of Meg, it's just that I find the WS art-project trappings more engaging. I like bands with rules!

Stripes are def. top 10 of the decade but I dunno about the best. IMO WBC & Elephant were hugely overrated, and the only great album they put out was de Stijl.

nah, cuz i love both WBC and elephant, only start to have doubts with get behind me satan. might agree that de stijl was the peak...

I think the flaws in White Blood Cells are pretty glaringly obvious, but I have gone over and over Elephant to figure out why I think it's such a piece of crap, and I'm still not sure.

I'm sure I think it's a piece of crap though.

Good place to start: Seven Nation Army is about as worthless as it gets.

(also I thought GBMS was a little underrated--it still had some atrocious tracks on it but I thought it was pretty solid, track for track.

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i'm not a huge white stripes fan, but i did enjoy watching that tour documentary.

i think meg would sound terrible in almost any other band, and almost any other drummer would sound terrible in the white stripes.

Seven Nation Army is only boring through repetition. That was a monster when I first heard it.

Yeh, there's too much weak in WBC, but I went fucking nuts when first hearing Fell In Love With A Girl. Like, on first hearing The Pixies nuts.

they play seven nation army at sports events and shit that proves it rocks IMO

Seven Nation Army is about as worthless as it gets.

I could not have a stronger opposite opinion on anything than I do on this point.

I would just like to point out that the Peel Sessions this band did are fucking amazing, search those out if you've never heard 'em and even partway like this band.

are those officially available or just on bootleg?

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fuck yeah!

just bootleg, perfect for a blog I might know!

xp

hmmm yes ....

\I would just like to point out that the Peel Sessions this band did are fucking amazing, search those out if you've never heard 'em and even partway like this band

YES! I just broke out the 2001 set after not listening to them for quite some time and jesus they are shit-hot. just hook after hook after hook.

Wouldn't argue that De Stijl is the peak but I will definitely go to bat for GBMS as a close second. JW's breakup record, and it is one of my favorites.

http://s.dsimg.com/image/R-150-1047727-1254240164.jpeg

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^pompous as hell. might as well be played on the baritone.

Wouldn't argue that De Stijl is the peak but I will definitely go to bat for GBMS as a close second. JW's breakup record, and it is one of my favorites.

― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:17 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

OTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtBO6cDYlyE

the thing is, as much as I disparage WBC and Elephant, their high points are among the best (not just alt-roock or rock) songs of the decade, or any decade for that matter. That's why they are certainly one of the best if not the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OyytKqYjkE&feature=channel

if this isn't the best thing Gondry has ever done, then it's a close second*

(*note: it's been a while since I watched a Bjork video)

can i just

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnapb-30hA&ob=av2el

kinda weak Weird Al material there. pales in comparison to White n Nerdy for ex.

The WS are the one band I mildly liked whose records I never once am compelled to pull out.

the White Stripes do belong in the conversation along with such bands as Spoon, Elbow, of Montreal, Radiohead and even Animal Collective.

Spoon, Elbow, of Montreal, Radiohead and even Animal Collective

None of these are really more than a blip on my '00s consciousness (Radiohead were in the '90s, tho). The White Stripes are WAY up there.

I dunno if "00's consciousness" is necessarily a good way to judge these things, otherwise the prize goes to Foo Fighters.

to their credit, I think they would have made the exact same records if they'd stayed at the level of, say, the Dirtbombs.

Also, rock bands without a bass player are a standard configuration now, and they forced that sound through the pop culture more than anyone.

THEY are ultimately to blame for POMPLAMOOSE!

You're thinking of the Eurythmics

oh whoops you're right

nah yr thinking of THE DOORS

Spoon = eh maybe. I think the one thing really detracting from Spoon's status as "best of" anything is that (as my brother pointed out once) I have no idea what any of their songs are about (with a couple exceptions). Britt has a great ear for hooks and arrangements, but their is something strangely empty about them at their core.

Elbow = never even heard of this band

of Montreal = this band is unlistenable

Radiohead = eh I don't like them but agree that their heyday seemed more like a 90s thing, no?

Animal Collective = yeah okay maybe. I think they dilute their impact by putting out so much stuff tho, some of which is invariably crap.

think you meant "unvaryingly"

bigger issue is that I hardly even consider AC a "rock" band. they do a lot of different stuff, but I'm hard pressed to think of anything in their approach/method that is derived from rock music.

Spoon, Elbow, of Montreal, Radiohead and even Animal Collective

neh, tho i do like some spoon. have loved: queens of the stone age (inconsistent, but a couple great records, decent lead-in and fade-out), high on fire, oneida, others dribbling off the precipice into obscuro garage & metal. have the idea that my chemical romance & fallout boy should figure in somewhere, but i haven't much listened to them, so i really couldn't say.

i guess i should explain. just happen to think that Spoon were the best rock band from last decade. that streak of albums from Girls Can Tell to Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga i think is unmatched.

Elbow were more of a personal pick, don't expect many to agree. it comes down to the debut and last album being flat out amazing.

of Montreal put out the best album from the last decade, so i added them.

Radiohead put out Kid A in 2000 followed by Amnesiac and ended with In Rainbows. those albums can stand along with OK Computer just fine. what i'm saying is Radiohead belong in the 2000's conversion.

no need to get into Animal Collective, people have their opinions.

yes, the White Stripes are right with these bands along with...

contenderizer otm again. Rock bands I liked more than the White Stripes this decade = Oneida, High on Fire, The Fall.

Maybe of Montreal...only heard Hissing Fauna, which I love and is at least half-sheer awesomeness, half-loopy near-greatness at least.

Too many years I stopped listening because I lumped'em with Interpol and the Strokes. But the White Stripes were weirder.

https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2020/12/11/the-best-of-the-white-stripes/

yeah the idea of them as traditionalist garage imitators never made a lot of sense to me - those records were all over the place

I'd always scratch my head when people would dismiss them as overly reverential or whatever - like, you mean the guy dressed like a candy cane screaming Dolly Parton songs?

They have a greatest hits album now. I saw it today at Target.

i think meg would sound terrible in almost any other band, and almost any other drummer would sound terrible in the white stripes.

― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Wednesday, January 12, 2011

this is extremely otm

I hate this band but am tempted to spin the Greatest Hits several times to see if it can change my mind.

I've always been basically indifferent to them — heard the singles, never heard a whole album. Listening to the greatest hits is justifying my apathy. The songs are just OK, and I often hate his guitar sound.

Snopes Verdict: False

ha