I'm really beginning to think that hip hop has played no role whatsoever in the progression of worthwhile music (Abandon Hope All Ye Who Click Here) (pictures)

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It's quite true. What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument which is really what making music is all about. The fact that they can tinker with computers to remix their latest bling bling nigga jigga jigga nigga track does not count.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:57 (twenty-three years ago)

are you steve's brother?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I'm going to cry.

― g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i know someone would probly ask so..
worthwhile music is music that can potentially be considered classic for having a meaningful impact on it's listeners. don't say that rap is meaningful.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

TOM ILM IS SEVERELY TESTING MY NEW POWERS TODAY

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

It aint Motown but most of em are real musicians they choose to use software

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

but anyone can learn how to read a book on ProTools ..which is pushing the envelope right there.. and figure out how to mix a track.. plus software is not exactly an instrument

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

And it certainly has had an impact on the makers of rims and platinum teeth

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

(rubs hands together, smiles)

― Geir Hungry, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Who cares about instruments? It's the sound that matters. This is a point that shouldn't even have to be made. This is also a troll that shouldn't be fed..

― Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument which is really what making music is all about.

So I'm guessing you missed that Lauryn Hill Unplugged where she performed solo acoustic guitar/vocals.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha, sometimes I forget that people that believe this kinda stuff actually exist.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument...

http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/w/Wyclef/sq-wyclef_guitar-mtv.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

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I've got more meaning in the ice on my little finger than you got in your whole damn life. I affect my listeners, you just infected blisters. Punk.

Yr. Pal,
Ma$e

P.S. You use the n-word again and i'll slap you upside the head. Much respect, I'm out.

― Yr. Pal Ma$e, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

EVERYBODY STOP NOW...DON'T ENGAGE THIS FOOL IN A DISCUSSION...PLEASE!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

the members of the fugees are unique and one of a kind.. you can't take lauryn hill and use her to represent the majority of her like-minded "artists".

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

are Tangarine Dream musicians? If I left the house now went across the street to Musicians Enemy and went in the electronicz section it would probably have half a dozen really talented kids noodling the keys and sequencers making MUSIC. I love guitars but thats what they like ya know
The gtr drm bass thing seems antiquated to them. This is what they listen to and this is what they emulate. Good or Bad

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

try...the roots.

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Ma$e plays a mean ukelele, though. His "The Girl That Makes The Thing" has got critics already watering at the mouth.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

we're talking mainstream hip-hop "artists" here. can someone explain what they have contributed to music besides their opinions on bitchaz?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

http://kck.pathfinderscience.net/construction/troll.GIF

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

MY DICK IN YOUR MOUTH

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

where is jon williams when you need him?

amateurist now post a picture of a blinged out goat!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

trollish it is but 1/3 of the planet seems to share his opinion. its still fun to repeat it

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

What did mainstream hair metal bands contribute to "worthwhile" music?

What did mainstream country&western bands contribute to "worthwhile" music?

What the fuck is "worthwhile" music?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

pfft. they played instruments nick.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

They probaly have contributed nothing to your shallow definition of music.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I sincerely hope that the Roots are honestly trying to change the future of hip hop. I doubt it will happen but I give them credit. please do not purposely point out the "unique" hip hop artists that people do not give enough credit to anyway. i just want to know what the overrated eminems and 50 cents and jay-z's and snoop dogg's have contributed to music throughout the past couple of years.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Patience, Grasshoppers. Contemplate this mantra: DNFTT.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

1. pyro
2. yodeling
3. yessongs

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

wow is that LL Cool J wearing silver or am I just seeing things ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

JP, name a few mainstream artists from ANY genre that have contributed to 'worthwhile' music in the last few years

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

am, i kiss you

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

oops I kiss you

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

although i posted about the roots, it seems like anti-pop or cLOUDDEAD might change the face of hip hop more...

i also refuse to read poetry because those damn poets dont lpay instruments...

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

And what's up with these so-called "authors" using computers to write novels, hmm?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I refuse to acknowledge the assumption that a guitar is a musical instrument.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

before mainstream hip hop was "invented", music was at its peak in terms of talent and overall quality. my opinion? yes. is it true? well maybe
mainstream rappers are simply taking credit away from talented artists who took time to learn how to play an instrument.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i do love how an anti-hiphop troll is the one thing that can bring all of ilx together

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

JP Albin- did rock music achieve perfection in 1974?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

IT'LL HAPPEN TO YOU

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"peak" ? what the f*ck?????

― marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i do love how an anti-hiphop troll is the one thing that can bring all of ilx together

i was just thinking this!
::hugz::

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha ha, you are otm, jess, though I just decided not to post what I was going to do, some rambling bleh about how lame the hiphop artists dont play instruments trope is, seeing as the voice and turntables are instruments, etc.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

the guitar was one of the first musical instruments that has evolved since the early 1900's. who told you a beatbox was a musical instrument..
Dom, authors aren't musicians. let's be reasonable here.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

well maybe mainstream rappers are simply taking credit away from talented artists who took time to learn how to play an instrument.

Oh, but there certainly aren't any mainstream rock or country (or jazz for that matter) artists taking credit away from talented artists, heavens no. Inconceivable. < / sarcasm >

IT'LL HAPPEN TO YOU

Grandpa Simpson is my Jesus.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

the guitar was one of the first musical instruments that has evolved since the early 1900's. who told you a beatbox was a musical instrument..

Dude, you do know that the first musical instrument was THE HUMAN VOICE, right?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

HAHA THE FEMALES WHO DEFEND THE MAINSTREAM RAP ARTISTS MAKE ME LAUGH. WOULD YOU LOVE ME IF I CALLED YOU DUMB "BITCHAZ" ?

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

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no jess no!!! a bridge too far!!!

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

(i just didnt have the heart to actually post it)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

^ *shudders*

http://www.megadetharizona.com/vics/images/countdown.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:44 (twenty-three years ago)

jesus, jess............!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm fleeing the boards.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/jpg/eoti1.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

...3...2...

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom: Yeah, true.

Tubgirl: oh fuck.

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

What did mainstream hair metal bands contribute to "worthwhile" music?

DUDE DID YOU FORGET "WIND OF CHANGE" BY WINGER? IT IS DEEP, PEACE OUT.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

jess: was that "fecal japan"?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

...1...

[I am getting out of here before it happens, keep up the good fite all]

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

guys i feel like this has brought us closer

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

(I'm in a favor of a new anti-troll technique wherein everyone just repeats the troll's posts.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

This is awesome. I leave w3rk, and it's like vultures tearing at the stripped skeleton ov CR's kred, and by thee time I get 'ome, all thee aktion's moved over 'ere! It's just like thee old days!! I look forward to new thread "pity me, for I do not understand modern 'art'".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow you guys R posting soooo fast, slow down a bit i can't follow the boat!!!

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

jon that was posted in the now infamous ile thread "nacho cheese?"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:55 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a bit like the last day of school when you could bring your toys in, isn't it?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

uhoh.....
http://while1.net/misc/ticket.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

http://while1.net/~xm/misc/ticket.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

http://home.sprynet.com/~grover/dalmation.gif

awwww.. cute!

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:59 (twenty-three years ago)

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/images/heart.gif Jon Williams.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know about anybody but i Love eminem.
http://www.humorweb.net/pictures/0988.jpg

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Its Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:08 (twenty-three years ago)

(sorry -- the big font had to go. -mod.)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

i <3 jon williams u r all str8

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:16 (twenty-three years ago)

*wishing he could use EMBED*

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

all your base are belong to hip hop
http://www.sandboxautomatic.com/images/rapsucksfront.gif
?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

kakh etah "what the fuck is going on with the colors and russian" pah rooskee?

here's spiderman:

http://www.loveandtragedy.com/stuff/spiderman.gif

― Nik (Nik), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.thisispunkrock.btinternet.co.uk/ps/can/doadisco.jpg

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to bed soon.

― rex jr., Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

country sucks

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:29 (twenty-three years ago)

It's quite true. What kind of mainstream hop hop artists are actually talented enough to play an instrument which is really what making music is all about.

No, it isn't. On the other hand, no mainstream hip-hop artist is actually talented enough to write an original melodic verse/chorus based song in the good old "Ivor Novello Tradition" either, which is really what making music is all about.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually hip-hop started right about when the charts were more segregated than any time since the early 1950s.

Actually hip-hop led to the charts becoming more segregated than any time since the early 1950s (at least until white record buyers started buying hip-hop).

Charts will remain segregated until the percentage of black record buyers buying "rock" or "classic pop" (or eventually classical music) is just as large as the percentage of R&B/hip-hop-fans among white audiences.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

"Progression of music." So completely priceless. You seem by "progression" to mean "increasing of the complexity thereof," wherefore you gotta hate: the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, Chuck Berry, etc., all of whom along with their peers moved popular music from a relatively complex system (big band & jazz) to a much simpler music (rock). Rap at least restores some rhythmic complexity to the proceedings.

Around 20 years earlier, The Beatles restored some melodic and harmonic complexity to the proceedings...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

i want to find out what Taneisha means in any language thank you.

― Taneisha Jackson, Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

My God why ask on this thread, you fucking lunatic???!!!

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

in urdu it means "he who walks the path of the befuddled"

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

jess, i hate you for posting that link. i will never eat, bathe, or click on suspect links again.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, what a thread title. This was right before my time on ILX, I'm surprised it isn't a Geir thread. Though the last I remember of him he actually posted his top 10 rap albums, which included "Stankonia", "Regulate" and "Doggystyle"(!!!).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

AGGGGHH YOURE STUPID. ill only respond to one thing further up though about slicing necks because i dont have time to read the whole thing.

rosco gordon - http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drf400/f492/f49297d74cm.jpg
"Im gonna load my pistol, sharpen my knife, im gonna get that man tahts got my wife
...
im gonna take my knife and operate." (1952?)

blue sky boys - http://www.bluegrassmusic.com/reviews/images/BLUESKY4a.jpg
"i drew my knife across her throat and to my breast she gently pressed, 'oh please oh please dont murder me, im unprepared to die you see'...
I took her by her lily white hand, led her down and I made her stand
Pushed her in where she would drown, watched her as she floated down
...
Returning home between 12 and 1, thinking "Lord, what a deed I have done!"
Killed the girl I loved, you see, 'cause she would not marry me"
sometime in the 30s

elvis presley - you know waht this guy looks like.
"id rather see you dead little girl than be with another man!" (56?)

stones -
"Under my thumb
Her eyes are just kept to herself
Under my thumb, well i
I can still look at someone else

It’s down to me, oh that’s what I said
The way she talks when she’s spoken to
Down to me, the change has come,
She’s under my thumb" etc

"The way she powders her nose
Her vanity shows and it shows
She's the worst thing in this world
Well, look at that stupid girl
...
Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up
Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up, shut-up
Shut-up, shut-up, shut-up"

so many other points to make...but its probably too late.

― tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

i want to find out what Taneisha means in any language thank you.

― velko, Monday, 24 August 2009 03:31 (seventeen years ago)

in urdu it means "he who walks the path of the befuddled"

― bamcquern, Monday, 24 August 2009 03:53 (seventeen years ago)

in japanese it could mean "seed doctor"

― adamj, Monday, 24 August 2009 09:05 (seventeen years ago)

also in response to op

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=PYk825WJxHU

― adamj, Monday, 24 August 2009 09:08 (seventeen years ago)

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