Converting your music collection (well, all the damned CDs at least) to mp3: C/D, RFI

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Okay, so I'm at my parents' house visiting for a while. Since I live on the other side of the nation, I can't really afford to mail hundreds of CDs to myself, and I completely loathe those Case Logic binders, I figure that this is my best option. Rip the discs on my laptop, burn 'em as data and take those back with me.

Have you done this? Worthless arduous process or fantastic lessening of burden and bulk? As a compulsive organizer, I'm tempted to say classic, just because it feels like I have a chance to start over and reorganize from scratch. What say you?

JS Williams (js williams), Thursday, 20 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

On the technical side of things, I'm curious about a few things: How much does bitrate matter? (I'm going with 192 kbps.) What would be the best CD-Rs for long-term archival purposes? How long can I expect the discs to last? Any help would be kindly appreciated (including a link to an old thread if this has been discussed previously).

JS Williams (js williams), Thursday, 20 March 2003 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Why reburn?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 20 March 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't done this, but if you're a compulsive organizer, you should realize that everytime you buy a new CD, you'll have to do this if you want to keep all your CDs as mp3s.

192 is very good. I wouldn't go below 128.

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 20 March 2003 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Ipod

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Thursday, 20 March 2003 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Can't afford the iPod, otherwise, I'd be there.

JS Williams (js williams), Thursday, 20 March 2003 21:01 (twenty-three years ago)

if i were to do this i'd use Ogg Vorbis for the output type - file sizes as small as mp3 but better quality. eg ogg file sound quality equivalent to 320 mp3 but file size equavalent to 192 mp3.

obviously you'd need a player and ripper that can handle ogg - i use db poweramp which is free and the quality is excellent (it's great for mp3 as well as it uses the Lame encoder)

if you really want to cut data cd-rs (cause you haven't got enough disk space or whatever) then you should be able to store around 10 albums worth on one cd-r. for archival purposes i use Mitsui silver - most of the pro web and digitial media sites seem to think these are the best.

phil turnbull (philT), Friday, 21 March 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Ogg Vorbis is great, I store all my music in it.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 21 March 2003 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

i've ripped as many CDs as my hard drive can handle using MusicMatch, but only covered about an eighth of my collection - average bitrate of 128kbps is fine - i like having a band's entire catalogue on one CD

i'm more concerned with getting my old rare vinyl into mp3 format tho

stevem (blueski), Friday, 21 March 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I seriously thought this thread was about actual Damned CDs, IE "Machine Gun Etiquette", "Damned Damned Damned", "Strawberries" etc etc. Can someone point me to a free/shareware CD ripper/mp3 convertor that will work w/win95? I want to put sound samples of my musick on a website (really! REALLY!!!)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 21 March 2003 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
I'm hellbent on cleaning out my storage unit this month so I've been busy converting about one-third of my collection to mp3s (well, AACs actually). I've gone on housecleaning jags before, but I'm just sick and tired of carrying the damn things around with me whenever I move. I don't care about packaging and artwork and hard drives are so inexpensive these days that they're easy to archive and backup.

And yeah, it's me that's been selling back the odd Dead C albums back to Amoeba. I just don't listen to them as much anymore.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been more aggressive about this lately though there's still a lot to go. Partially this is because I have this idea I can one day amortize the whole collection or near enough of it in bulk that I could get quite a bit out of it!

But in the meantime, away stuff goes. And AAC is very handy. You would know, Elvis -- what's your recommendation for a good hard drive in terms of price/storage size? I'm kinda tired of burning to CDRs (and have yet to break down and get a DVD-R drive).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

im in the process of 'catching up' now. 2000 cds = fuuuuuuck.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

AAC is very handy. You would know, Elvis -- what's your recommendation for a good hard drive in terms of price/storage size? I'm kinda tired of burning to CDRs (and have yet to break down and get a DVD-R drive).

The La Cie desktop drives are pretty good. I'm still archiving everything to DVD-R so I have another backup of everything but I'm thinking of getting another HD to mirror everything to.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm in the middle of doing this now, too. I'm converting to AAC, and then I'm gonna have a massive sell-off, probably to Downtown Music Gallery in NYC. I've currently got 65 GB on my hard drive, which is a little over 1300 discs. I figure, since I'm unemployed at present, it should take me another two weeks or so to finish ripping everything.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone should be using the lame encoder with --alt-preset-standard. There's an iTunes thingy for it so you can keep using iTunes.

--alt-present-standard is the product of a bunch of audio encoding geeks arguing on a web forum, if that helps you feel at home.

http://www.blacktree.com/apps/iTunes-LAME/index.php

Lukas (lukas), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm doing a serious music purge as soon as I move into the new apartment. I've got more CDs than I know what to do with, and I need less than half of 'em.

Tantrum (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post
The thing about LAME is it is slow as fuck for ripping. I was using it for a while but when you have, say, 20 CDs worth of AIFFs to convert to LAME VBRs it's a huge pain in the ass. I'm back to AACs for now...

Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

slow as fuck

so buy an extra computer and rip two at a time. geez, people, this isn't that complicated.

(i don't know why i care, i usually listen to my mp3s through an FM transmitter that makes everything sound like shit anyway. but there's always the chance that the dj will have a heart attack and i'll hvae to run to my car for the iPod...)

Lukas (lukas), Friday, 11 March 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

192 is very good. I wouldn't go below 128.
-b 192 -m s -h -V 0 -B 320 --resample 44.1
It's all about the VBR. Sounds almost as good as 320, but takes up only as much space as 192.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Saturday, 12 March 2005 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

-b 192 -m s -h -V 0 -B 320 --resample 44.1

No offence, but that's really bad. For VBR mp3s at ~192kbs, just use --alt-preset standard with LAME 3.90.3, or -V 2 with 3.96.1. Download LAME at rarewares.org.

todd (todd), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

The reason I've never done this is that I typically only import/archive and discard my "b" list of CDs, stuff I don't listen to that often. But I've found that once those "b" discs have been ripped into iTunes, the temptation is just too great to delete them outright. Which is probably for the better, but I still worry I'd do the same for discs I thought were favorites were I to suck the whole collection into the computer. So on the shelf they remain.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the best way to archive a lot of cds at once is to rip the waves to one directory and then batch encode those to mp3 overnight. if you have a fast cd burner, the wave ripping process should only take about 3-4 minutes per disc; just make sure you have a lot of hard drive space available..

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

todd has a point.
(sorry, I'm so old, I'm still hopelessly stuck in the days of the --r3mix switches. Time has passed me by. By the way, which one of you whippersnappers stole my Metamucil, dagnabbit!?)

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 13 March 2005 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

is there an .rlo file already available somewhere? I'm not sure (where|how) to put in the --alt-preset standard switch into Razorlame.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 13 March 2005 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Never mind. Found it in the expert tab.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 13 March 2005 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

what's the advantage of lame over aac if you're a mac/ipod user?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 13 March 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Makes it easier to make mp3 discs for other people.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 13 March 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course you can just make them an AAC data disc and the lazy Winamp users can get the plugin that allows them to play AACs. I just made someone an AAC data disc with all Magnetic Fields and related side projects, 250 songs and 12 hours long. If they wanna play it on a mp3 disc compatable player they can rip and convert. Why hassle yourself usuing lame just to make it convenient for other people?

I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Because being cruel to people on purpose is worth 40 extra lashes with flaming barbed wire when you get to Hell.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, like Mac users have never been inconvenienced by Windows users.

I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Stevem highlighted my dilemna....
The real time ordeal of transferring all that vinyl.
Anybody care to recommend any software/hardware that does it all for you. Like a scanner that reads a vinyl in like 2 minutes????

hull hole (hull hole), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahaha, that would be awesome though.

I got the job because I was so mean, while somehow appearing so kind. (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

you can do that with film!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

(takes a lot longer than 2 minutes though)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 13 March 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The real time ordeal of transferring all that vinyl.
Anybody care to recommend any software/hardware that does it all for you. Like a scanner that reads a vinyl in like 2 minutes????

Wait for someone else to do it and post it on slsk and usenet.

Seriously, someone had done that with some vinyl I was going to digitize and they saved me the work.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 13 March 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Revive.

The accumulated stacks of burnt media can get tough to navigate. A modest organizing scheme and (hand-labeled) plain paper sleeves has served up to a point -- but keeping these formless, characterless discs together seems best handled be centralization.

Tech-wise good quality CDRs and DVD-Rs are roughly 25¢ apiece and DVD burners -- even externals -- can be had for less than 60 bucks. Hard drives have reliable and compact storage for less than 30¢ per gigabyte. I don't IPOD, but i do have three different CD/MP3 players (boombox, car, & home stereo) -- so, I archive most of my music to a hard drive and burn MP3-CDs for playback.

Format-wise, MP3s seem to have the edge in flexibility for me since that’s all my aforementioned players can decode. Rips and conversions are made between 192-320 kbps with the latest codec (LAME 3.98) -- and I still use CBR during the rip (once again, because of my players, and, since the conversion from CBR to VBR isn't that degradating).

To organize and label new tracks i use the free version of MediaMonkey which gets all the tags and album art together. If you copy the codec into the correct directory, you get unlimited ripping without having to upgrade to the "pay" version. The playback portion of MediaMonkey is fine (even though i probably use MediaPlayer just as often) so, for now, everything happens from this program.

I'm planning on building a LINUX media pc in the next year-or-so where terabyte-sized drives will offer plenty of elbow room for stax and back-ups. My thoughts are that this will serve as my primary digital archive, playback, and burning platform for the next decade.

How are you managing your digital stax?

christoff, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 16:46 (seventeen years ago)

So how many mp3-cdrs for playback do you have, and how do you organize those?

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:13 (seventeen years ago)

A couple hundred - oddly characterized; i have a "section" for complete discographies and the rest are pretty much categorized by genre -- the problem is that many of the most listenable discs have albums from several different musical styles on them. These, of, course, form a whole new section of their own. In fact, my "New Stuff" category gets a fresh burn every time i assemble another discs-worth of new material -- cattywompass on the best of days.

christoff, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:44 (seventeen years ago)

Sounds like a lot of work.

Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:48 (seventeen years ago)

It can be - but the wealth of out-of-print and hard-to-find stuff available online is worth the effort.

christoff, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 17:52 (seventeen years ago)

i've been ripping to mp3 to a 500 gb hd (w/ no backup as of yet...haven't sold the cds yet but i know i'm being stupid), still have a lot of space, my whole collection will probably end up > 250 gb @ 320 kb for the most part (most of the dled stuff is 192 and up but it's not that much, still on my internal hd for the most part, i'll merge everything after i'm finished ripping. I use mediamonkey as a one stop shop & library so i paid for gold (need it for some of the file monitoring options in addition to ripping, although the codec thing is nice to know. you get 3 licenses anyway for 20 bucks so i think i'm set). got too much stuff for some of the online/hear-yr library-anywhere services which i don't need anyway, rhapsody, last fm et al following me around is more than enough. i tried ogg a few years ago but the ripping/burning/playback was spotty with whatever sw i was using so i gave up. I don't see an overriding reason for me to go there again but if i was starting out that or flac would look more appealing.

tremendoid, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 19:12 (seventeen years ago)

dumbass me is trying to do my whole collection before I move so I can store all my cds. Became clear today that I won't finish.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 19:14 (seventeen years ago)

No back-up?!? That's what drives me crazy; what do you have to do a RAID, or DVD-Rs, or what? That's the biggest problem with digital stax, keeping the backup up to date -- and also, that instead of a single hard drive you really should be buying two.

...this really IS a lot of work.

christoff, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 20:59 (seventeen years ago)

my backup is called "praying the hard drive won't die"

akm, Wednesday, 13 August 2008 21:20 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

I had once planned on converting my stax into MP3, but I never got around to it. With so much new stuff coming via download, I have enough trouble keeping up with those.

Today, however, I'm using some disc scanning software to "save" about 500GB of digital stax off an infected hard drive. It's crazy, the thought of losing those files was troubling, but not nearly as much as I thought - and certainly not as difficult as the specter of losing my albums.

I mean, I sure am proud that I have digital copies of all 40-some volumes of the Grateful Dead's Dick's Picks, but I don't approach listening to it with nearly the commitment I have when slipping in a disc.

suspecterrain, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:30 (fifteen years ago)

lol 2003

I'm totally kidding. Congrats strangers. (Matt P), Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:16 (fifteen years ago)

Sick of m4a, itunes is so fast and easy to organize but I am tired of the dull spreadsheet like interface. I have to re-do everything as an mp3.

If I Had Your Level of Cultural Relevance I'd Kill Myself (u s steel), Sunday, 20 March 2011 14:05 (fifteen years ago)

I don't understand... do you just want a more whiz-bang, colorful, flashy interface?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 March 2011 18:09 (fifteen years ago)


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