If you could remove the influence of one artist forever?

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Who would it be? If there was an alternate universe where there was no Christina Aguilara would Mandy Moores sweet face still be beaming at me from the TV as we speak? If there was no REM would I be spared the10,000 maniacs? No Embrace no Emo?

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like Xtina and R.E.M.

My answer, even though I've liked some of their music and bear them no ill will: Pearl Jam.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Nirvana would mean no one would have died in the Great White fire because they would be playing a much bigger venue.
See my thread saves lives

― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Rage Against The Machine!

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

No caveman beating a rock with a stick.

― paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Siegbran speaks to my very soul.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well if you eliminated Rage, you'd certainly have to eliminate Faith No More...they were technically first with the rock/rap. And I like FNM.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Eh? Influence doesn't run backwards. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

No FNM would mean no Rage, Bizkit, Deftones....blah, blah, blah.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Definitely no Doors.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Grateful Dead.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Bob Fucking Dylan

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who's responsible for the Spin Doctors? Whoever it is, I vote for them.

― paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Nirvana. Great band and everything but they led to CRAP music in the 90s and on... (anybody care to defend Silverchair or Candlebox?)

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd say the Grateful Dead* were responsible for the Spin Doctors, but it's more likely any number of upstate New York stoner-reggae jam bands.

*whom i like

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll try to defend Candlebox and Silverchair:

Candlebox made it easier to arrive late to a Rush concert in 1994 because they were the opener. Thanks, guys!

Silverchair has managed to keep a major label deal much longer than many of their contemporaries, so props to them.

― paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Either Sonic Youth (for what they wrought, not for what they are/were) or David Bowie.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Bob Fucking Dylan

That's going to wipe out a lot of music. No Lou Reed, no Byrds, no 'Rubber Soul', no Go-Betweens, no Tom Waits, no Minutemen, no Fairport Convention, no punk, no indie. Jimi Hendrix keeps playing in soul bands, Miles Davis never runs the voodoo down. And all sorts of other unforseen consequences.

― James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the real result of No Bob Dylan would be that somebody like Papa John Phillips or someshit woulda wound up being Voice of that Gen.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 12:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Another vote for Nirvana(and they stole the name of a much more interesting band)

― Paul R (paul R), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

influence does run backwards

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

So he's just wiped out Woody Guthrie too.

― James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought shit flows downhill?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Metallica.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

I doubt the world would have been much different without Metallica, they were always more of a trend following band than 'influential', no?

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Lou Reed, no Byrds, no 'Rubber Soul', no Go-Betweens, no Tom Waits, no Minutemen, no Fairport Convention, no punk, no indie. Jimi Hendrix keeps playing in soul bands,

And how is this is a bad thing, exactly?

My suggestion: no Bill Haley -> no Elvis -> no Beatles -> no Pink Floyd -> no Sex Pistols -> no Nirvana -> no Radiohead.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think you're wrongo bongo on Bill Haley.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Wynonie Harris!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tuomas - I didn't say it was a bad thing, just that there would be wide consequences. (I'd have to call my son something other than Dylan for starters. How's a young lad going to survive in a North London school with a name like Elvis?)

I agree with Horace as well - Elvis took nothing much from Bill Haley.

― James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've said it before, I'll say it again: no Beach Boys, no Beatles.

― Neudonym, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think you're wrongo bongo on Bill Haley.

Probably, but I wanted to have a starting point, and I'd rather kill Haley than Chuck Berry. Elvis I can live with, but what came after him... Perhaps we should only get rid of the Beatles, maybe then rock'n'roll would've never evolved from dance music into a monster.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I always thought the Faith No More/rap-rock connection was fairly weak. I mean, sure it was their biggest single, but it was also fairly atypical of the rest of their output. So it always struck me as a little bit strange when people talk about how the band birthed a genre they never even explored outside of one particular instance.

Besides, if you want to say Rage Against the Machine wouldn't exist without FNM, why not go directly to the source and wipe out Run DMC for "Walk This Way" or Public Enemy/Anthrax for "Bring Da Noise"? (I conveniently left Aerosmith out of the picture because I really would like to see the erased, particularly befcause they never seem to go away...)

I'd rather just end it all when things went way wrong (RATM), even if I think "Walk This Way" really sucks, anyway.

― original bgm, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

this makes no sense. no-one would have ever come up with anything on their own?

also if you argue "no eagles, no elp" for instance, you are also arguing "no ramones, no sex pistols" cause what NOT to be is a often a bigger, better "influence" than anything

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd rather just end it all when things went way wrong (RATM)

Which is sorta what I'm saying. Chris, I'm a bit confused as to how you think my thinking RATM as an influence to be killed off means I hate FNM, which I don't, at all. Check the AMG for proof. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think your hating of RATM means you hate FNM. All im saying is that FNM would be responsible for RATM and that other crap. Which is sad, because I'm a big FNM fan. Or maybe I'm just confusing myself, which I think I'm doing. Nevermind.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Paul Weller. Esp. living in London, it's like North Korea except with monuments to tinny pop-punky crapness on every corner instead of the Great Leader, every club should just be renamed the People's Little England Noo-Wave Mausoleum thanks to the inexplicable devotion to that surly chippy pastichist with the constipated bus-driver voice who made it OK for ppl to retread the same shit over and over forever, hello Libertines. (I like his gtr style alot tho)

― dave q, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whitney Houston. Ruined an entire generation of R&B singers.

― Jesse Fox (Jesse Fox), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

the smiths
the stooges
slint
cap'n jazz
radiohead
weezer

― j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I actually had an 'heated' discussion re 'this' yesterday! Someone was telling me they saw some band and I said "if the name starts with a 'The' I don't wanna fuckin' hear about it!" "But they had some good songs, plus they were really tight!" Me: "The only thing that would make me go out and see bands again would be if every single fucking 'muso wanted' ad had the word 'Jam' replaced with 'Bread' or 'Peanut Butter Conspiracy' or 'Archers of Loaf' or 'Green Jelly' or 'Jello Biafra' or 'X-Ray Spex' or absolutely fuckin' anything!")

― dave q, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Definitely no Doors.

No Grateful Dead.''

early doors and the grateful dead were very good.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

(greatest album title ever: The Peanut Butter Conspiracy Is Spreading)

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

also:

the skatellites
pavement
the pixies

― j fail (cenotaph), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

It all goes in circles - because The Doors were totally over-rated for years they are now totally UNDER-rated and they are a most entertaining band if you forget all the Lizard King dross.

― Dadaismus, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Teddy Riley
*runs away*

Although I love the Skatalites, I'm willing to eradicate them to prevent all the dreadful ska revival bands (Madness, Less Than Jake, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, et al)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

re: Doors, take away Jimbo, and you've got a pretty rocking gee-radge band.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Although I love Jimi Hendrix, it's thanks to him that we have to deal with hundreds of thousands of Kenny Wayne Shepherds and Johnny Langs and other blondie-Mc-Pentatonic-Guitar-Solo types. If his futurist sci-fi mystic stylee lyrics & jazzy-yet-bluesy-yet-psych-yet-rock-yet-funk-yet-all-yet-none style of composition had had even a trillionth the influence on the following generations as his guitar playing skills & styles, that would r0x0r'd!!!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

"re: Doors, take away Jimbo, and you've got a pretty rocking gee-radge band."

Why take away Jimbo? He had a great voice, he looked great and he was extremely funny (albeit not always intentionally). Listen to "Five To One" - if that isn't the DRUNKEST vocal in rock history I don't know what is...

― Dadaismus, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

ha! dada we had at least two threads where ppl just shat on jim morrison. i was prob one of the few defending him.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've also always been quite irked by that FNM - rap/rock connection, in that Faith No More literally only had 2 songs over the course of their Patton-years that included any rapping in them whatsoever.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

(ps To all the RATM haters, don't evah listen to my band.)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

TS for nickalicious - Robin Trower vs Frank Marino!

― dave q, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh dude Robin Trower dawg! Futurism never sounded so hippietacular!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wait, Frank Marino? The female impersonator? Lemme think...

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

apparently j fail hates good music.

― MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I ~~spear~~ the Greatful Dead so I don't have to deal with all the trust fund hippies. Give the stinky ones something to follow around so that I don't have to deal with their twirly dancing.

No Bob Dylan= Less coffe house singer/songwriters who can't carry a tune Ani*Poof* bye-bye

― brg30 (brg30), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I ~~spear~~ spare the Greatful Dead so I don't have to deal with all the trust fund hippies. Give the stinky ones something to follow around so that I don't have to deal with their twirly dancing.

No Bob Dylan= Less coffe house singer/songwriters who can't carry a tune Ani*Poof* bye-bye

― brg30 (brg30), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ani : "coffee house singer/songwriters who can't carry a tune" :: Prince : stoned horny teenagers farting around on a 4-track

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alice in Chains

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh man, I miss the days when there was one person who sang like Layne Staley and one person who sang like Eddie Veddar and one person who sang like Kurt Cobain, and their names were Layne and Eddie and Kurt.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whoever influenced Sonic Youth to start making records. DIE!!!

― Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

LOL! n-licious (it's funny cuz it's true!)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Specials.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

John Lennon

― panico (panico), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 21:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll pick Pearl Jam, assuming that Alice In Chains (and Soundgarden's) growth in popularity was their fault. Damn those guys who made it so rawkers don't have to write fun songs any more. And god bless Queens Of The Stone Age for ignoring that.

I need Nirvana cuz they created the Hives and Local H.
and I need Faith No More cuz they helped create Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park and numerous decent rap rock singles.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Donovan

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 April 2003 23:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cream

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

the Pastels

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 00:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

James Brown

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who's responsible for the Spin Doctors? Whoever it is, I vote for them.

Who did The Spin Doctors influence? :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 09:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

No Bob Fucking Dylan
That's going to wipe out a lot of music. No Lou Reed, no Byrds, no 'Rubber Soul', no Go-Betweens, no Tom Waits, no Minutemen, no Fairport Convention, no punk, no indie. Jimi Hendrix keeps playing in soul bands, Miles Davis never runs the voodoo down. And all sorts of other unforseen consequences.

First and foremost, if there was no Bob Dylan, even the most important and credible artists would still have been singing about holdning hands and how she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 09:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

John Lennon

Actually, if Mark David Chapman had fired his gun a little over 10 years earlier, then the world wouldn't have lost a lot of great music, other than "Imagine", "Jealous Guy" and "Oh My Love"

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 09:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

There are so many - but I suppose Public Enemy will do for starters.

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 09:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Without my choice, there would be no Public Enemy either. :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 09:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Beach Boys - So much boring indie pop ripping them off.

― David Allen, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

First and foremost, if there was no Bob Dylan, even the most important and credible artists would still have been singing about holdning hands and how she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Even before Dylan there were countless "important and credible" artists singing about things deeper than that. In America alone, you had Robert Johnson singing about selling his soul to the devil, Marty Robbins singing murder ballads, Louie Armstrong singing about "what a wonderful world", Woody Guthrie singing about how "this land is your land" etc, etc.

Although Dylan did introduce The Beatles to marijuana, and for that I will forever be greatful.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

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