TS: Punk vs. Hip-Hop

uh, Arrested Development? PM Dawn? Whatever MTV Punk Band is IT right now? What is Nelly protesting?

Off topic, it's alleged he's one of "Hollywood's secret gays". Can I say that on ILM? If libellous, delete.

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Actually, Custos, I know what you mean. But they've both become something horrifically different from where they started, like any genre of music, really.

I agree and disagree, Horace, in that they have evolved since then into a variety of different sub-styles nowadays; some hip-hop and punk is definitely rather base and frustratingly empty-feeling (and I'm not one of those mainstream-hataz, there's plent of indie hip-hop/punk that is just as "bas and frustratingly empty-feeling", and plenty of mainstream stuff that's not that way). Much like with rock & jazz music, you've got some folks milking the traditions in a way that doesn't properly respect said traditions, meanwhile you've got some folks pushing the boundaries a little too far to be really healthy, and then you've got folks who are boundary-pushing within the context of the traditions as well.

ooh, missed that the first time through. disagree there. even if somebody's pushing boundaries in a way that totally sucks, it opens a door for somebody else to do something interesting.

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"Shame on You, Horace Mann. Shame. Shame. Shame."

Yeah, I do totally agree with this. Sort of "clearing the path" for others to wander down a little less encumbered.

Beastie boys?

No/yes.

Also, comparitively ancient Punk records still sound exciting, valid and fresh (not in a Hip Hop way) to me, whereas old Hip Hop seems to age more like milk than like wine.

Have at it, haters!

"Colours" still sounds pretty scary and disturbing.

Hip-Hop as a reaction against Disco in the same way that Punk was a reaction against Corporate Rock is a faulty notion.

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i dont think there will be a "back to the people" type movement. i dont like enough people, and dont know enough people that like enough other people (does this make any sense?) to agree on something that we can all be behind. its probably easier to look back on something and then call it some kind of movement a couple decades later anyway. this is a bit off topic, i just get tired of it a bit. all these movements tend to be entirely personal and could mean absolutely nothing to someone else. 30 years from now people will write books about kids being saved by the fairly recent neo "garage rock" movement. baLELBEARG. anyone may dismiss my comment if they wish.