Who was genius on debut, then blew it completely on second album?

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Black Sheep, to start with.

― Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Monday, 7 April 2003 02:49 (twenty-three years ago)

elastica
the stone roses

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 7 April 2003 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Menswe@r.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 April 2003 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

the beatles.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stone Roses

― adam west (adamwest), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I hear two for the Stone Roses, do I hear three?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:02 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, Stone Roses was the first thing i thought of.

DRI and Wu Tang come to mind as well. Suicidal Tendencies, Circle Jerks...SO many punk and hip hop groups. Too many to name. But they're the biggest culprits I think.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:05 (twenty-three years ago)

souls of mischief, big time.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Sex Pistols, Snoop Dogg, Television (!)

― jm (jtm), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The Pretenders.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

The Stone Roses don't belong on this list. People thought that after 5 1/2 years they'd come back with exactly the same type of tunes they were playing in '89. Listen to Second Coming closely. They're much better musicians than on the debut. There are some excellent songs on that album.

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Strokes

― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Monday, 7 April 2003 03:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually am not down with the Second Coming hate myself. Album might be a little too long but it's got some great songs on it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Pharcyde

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:20 (twenty-three years ago)

janet jackson

― Vic, Monday, 7 April 2003 04:23 (twenty-three years ago)

You think Control was a misstep?

― paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't hate Second Coming by any means, and rather like a couple of the tracks. But when you compare that to the debut album, they really did blow it.

― adam west (adamwest), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I might be in the minority, but I always thought Dig Your Own Hole was a bit of a letdown.

― paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I was going to say the clash but i realised i don't actually like the first album either.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:57 (twenty-three years ago)

FFRRPP! give em enough rope is grate!
Stay Free
Safe European home
Its my favorite Clash album

― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Monday, 7 April 2003 05:01 (twenty-three years ago)

cbs gave em enough, fer sure.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 7 April 2003 05:05 (twenty-three years ago)

You think Control was a misstep?

-- paul cox (pau...), April 7th, 2003.

Oh woops I forgot those two totally crap albums she did pre-Control (which prove its all jam & lewis, sorry ms jackson)..i think Control is genious but aside from the singles really dislike RN.

― Vic, Monday, 7 April 2003 05:17 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry ms jackson

"..i am for reeeeaalll"

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 7 April 2003 05:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Lauryn Hill?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 April 2003 05:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh woops I forgot those two totally crap albums she did pre-Control (which prove its all jam & lewis, sorry ms jackson)..i think Control is genious but aside from the singles really dislike RN.

-- Vic (Iodine99...), April 6th, 2003.

Oh, I thought there was only one prior to Control. I had to do some AMG factchecking, because I don't think I've ever seen an actual copy of Dream Street. Did anyone buy it?

― paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 7 April 2003 05:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Bell Biv Devoe

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure u can accuse the wu tang for this. its not just that i think wu forever is underated, but more the fact that all of solo albums were essentially wu albums, and a lot of them were genius

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Monday, 7 April 2003 06:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Nirvana

― neil, Monday, 7 April 2003 08:14 (twenty-three years ago)

the stone roses again...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 7 April 2003 08:24 (twenty-three years ago)

jeff buckley

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 7 April 2003 08:26 (twenty-three years ago)

massive attack

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 7 April 2003 08:31 (twenty-three years ago)

oi! has anyone said stone roses yet? HAR HAR HAR

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)

underworld

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Presidents of the United States of America
Arsonists

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:18 (twenty-three years ago)

the stone roses are to this thread what the royal tenenbaums is to ILX as a whole

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Daft Punk (heh)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Stone Roses (of course, though I do like "Love Spreads" a lot)
Blood Sweat and Tears
Arrested Development
De La Soul
Air (only if 10,000 Hz. Legend is considered their second album proper)
The Velvet Underground

― Evan (Evan), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:30 (twenty-three years ago)

''The Velvet Underground''?!!?!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:45 (twenty-three years ago)

space. tin planet was awful.

― big d (big d), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't believe the lack of hype; Second Coming is grate.

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Monday, 7 April 2003 09:54 (twenty-three years ago)

ABC, obviously.

And Aztec Camera to some extent.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 7 April 2003 10:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Why has no one mentioned Kelis yet?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 7 April 2003 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Why has no one mentioned Kelis yet?

Because she has never been "genius"?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 7 April 2003 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone remember ET's review of Second Coming?

― Treble (treble), Monday, 7 April 2003 11:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone remember ET's review of Second Coming?

No, did it make him want to phone home? :-)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 7 April 2003 11:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Liz Phair
Elastica

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 7 April 2003 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

The Woodentops
Dubstar
Air (you have to count Moon Safari as their first though!!!!)
Tears for Fears (really!!)
Jega

― Kim Tortoise, Monday, 7 April 2003 13:01 (twenty-three years ago)

The Dream Syndicate.

― mike a (mike a), Monday, 7 April 2003 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread is 12 hours old and still no mention of Nas?

― oops (Oops), Monday, 7 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Congos
Aswad
Mighty Diamonds

― oops (Oops), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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mos def: what was he thinking?

Fixed.

― brilliant young and angsty (thatguy), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 06:54 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe I got that up in arms on this thread. oh wait, yes I can because it's what I did back then, god help me.

Led Zeppelin. just kidding.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 08:19 (twenty years ago)

Hrm I think Propaganda merit a mention.

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 11:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm arguing with a post from 3 years ago but whatever:

Disagree with DRI and the Circle Jerks - they blew it completely on their THIRD albums! Dealing With It and Wild In The Streets are both good albums IMO. Not GREAT albums like their debuts, but not total crap either. Both bands' third albums sucked though.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:17 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

I still like that first Kula Shaker album. But only that one.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

"The sound of drums" seemed to suggest the second album was going to be genius.

Guess that did not happen.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Leaders of the New Scool
UMC's
Das Efx

― mucho, Monday, 20 March 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Already been mentioned, but Nirvana was definitely the first name to spring to mind for me.

― alext (alext), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

cyndi lauper?

missing persons!

― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Devendra Banhart.

― Francisco Monar (fmonar), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

nirvana? you're nuts

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

TORI AMOS

― piscesboy, Monday, 20 March 2006 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Already been mentioned, but Nirvana was definitely the first name to spring to mind for me.

You are entitled to your opinions, but millions may disagree with you.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

heed the voice of experience

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

The first three Dev albums are schuh-weet. Cripple Crow, however, was disappointing in that it had too many of his pals making it sound pretty and less of the withcy mystery. But he's young and ridiculously talented, I'm sure he'll continue to make great records.

Neko Case!?

Nirvana?!

I think Lauryn Hill owns this thread.

― stew!, Monday, 20 March 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I've been listening to some of Swervedriver's first album, and man, that stuff is gripping! Escpecially the song "Deep Seat", with it's grungy syncopated rhythm. The vocals don't add much, but they don't take away either. I have to wonder, even though they seem like mostly a pre-rave band, the rave movement seems like it was unavoidable to hip British kids back then. How much of an influence was it on those songs? After that album, well...

― viborgu, Monday, 20 March 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

yeah yeah yeahs

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

hootie and the blowfish

― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

GENIUS?

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

nah im just messin wif y'all

― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:50 (twenty years ago)

Blues Traveller

― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:50 (twenty years ago)

My guess is that all the people who nominate Nirvana think that "Nevermind" was their first album! Either that, or they're not too fond for major label debuts!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Monday, 20 March 2006 23:09 (twenty years ago)

The Stone Roses - I remember hearing Begging You first and being blown away... how disappointed I was when I heard the rest of the album

Mercury Rev
Nas
Iron & Wine
Insides - not counting Clear Skin
Junior Boys? Not that impressed with the new track I heard, Max

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Monday, 20 March 2006 23:22 (twenty years ago)

not counting clear skin by insides....did they even DO another album as insides?

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 20 March 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Elastica and Stone Roses, definitely.

King Crimson
Big Audio Dynamite
De La Soul

― Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

My guess is that all the people who nominate Nirvana think that "Nevermind" was their first album! Either that, or they're not too fond for major label debuts!

-- xgurggleglgllg (lamewa...), March 20th, 2006.

or just being typical contrarians!

― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:09 (twenty years ago)

not counting clear skin by insides....did they even DO another album as insides?

http://www.artist-shop.com/3rdstone/sweet.jpg
Not a very big pic. More here, halfway down

http://www.artist-shop.com/3rdstone/index.htm

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:15 (twenty years ago)

My guess is that all the people who nominate Nirvana think that "Nevermind" was their first album! Either that, or they're not too fond for major label debuts!

The sad thing for me was that In Utero had the melodies of Nevermind with the rawness of Bleach... but that's another thread :)

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)

Kanye! What a yak he turned out to be.

― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

Elastica and Stone Roses, definitely.
King Crimson
Big Audio Dynamite
De La Soul

De La Soul? You must be daft.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

My guess is that all the people who nominate Nirvana think that "Nevermind" was their first album! Either that, or they're not too fond for major label debuts!

-- xgurggleglgllg (lamewa...), March 20th, 2006.

or just being typical contrarians!

-- latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (posercore24...), March 20th, 2006.

BINGO!!! (will "bingo ever catch on as the next "otm"??....i wish)

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 04:27 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

Norah Jones. Second album was a snoozer.

Here'a real oldie: The Left Banke. Yes, they had plenty of good songs besides "Walk Away, Renee", but they're all on their first album.

Not sure why someone nominated Shuggie Otis, nor am I sure what constitutes his first album, but his last two are his best. And it's not because I don't like blues, which dominates his early stuff.

I'm looking through my iPod and finding lots of artists/bands whose first two albums were great, and then they deteriorated badly.

― Lee626, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:02 (fifteen years ago)

The second album by Left Banke is great and underrated. Even if the group was very much disintegrating at the time.

― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:47 (fifteen years ago)

Electric Soft Parade. They would recover to some extent on the third though.

― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 23:47 (fifteen years ago)

Norah Jones. Second album was a snoozer.

First album was a snoozer too iirc

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:14 (fifteen years ago)

I would say Norah Jones didn't really lose it until the third album. The second one was a continuation of the first, and not at all bad.

― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:17 (fifteen years ago)

Listen to Second Coming closely. They're much better musicians than on the debut. There are some excellent songs on that album.

Better musicians maybe. But, apart from "Ten Storey Lovesong", the songs just don't hold up. They are repetitive and cyclic and mantra-like, without the melodic qualities of tunes like "Made Of Stone", "Bye Bye Badman" or "I Wanna Be Adored"

― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:26 (fifteen years ago)

I prefer The Left Banke Too over the debut.

― Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:39 (fifteen years ago)

Adam & The Ants.

― Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:41 (fifteen years ago)

Ride

― kraudive, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:46 (fifteen years ago)

^ SO RONG

― Challops Never End (Pillbox), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:49 (fifteen years ago)

meh, If you think so. I count Nowhere here as the debut - the stuff before was awesome obv. The EP tracks they did within the same year (i.e Today Forever) are maybe even better. But after that (not Leave Them All Behind) they were BUST.

― kraudive, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:57 (fifteen years ago)

or it could just be that Going Blank Again is every bit as good as Nowhere.

after that, though..

― Challops Never End (Pillbox), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 00:59 (fifteen years ago)

Warren G
Goldie

― henry s, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:14 (fifteen years ago)

"Going Blank Again" is the best Ride album. Period.

― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

Leftfield

― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 01:24 (fifteen years ago)

Age of Chance : 1000 Years of Trouble : brilliant.
Age of Chance : Mecca : not so brilliant.

― mark e, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:17 (fifteen years ago)

His second album isn't bad, but Trentemøller.

― StanM, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 07:37 (fifteen years ago)

Going Blank Again is snoozeville. kraudive otm.

but I like Elastica's second album, so what do I know?

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 08:03 (fifteen years ago)

A recent example that probably only I care about, but Kissy Sell Out's first album was a great bit of exuberant pop recorded as a trio. A lot of the guy's old fans hated it because he kind of turned his back on club and dj culture, but I loved it like mad. His new one is a return to club music and is absolutely boring end to end. Haven't found a consensus anywhere yet on what the old fans think ("a return to form?"), but I hate it.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 08:08 (fifteen years ago)

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